Pope: A Society with Legal Abortion Cannot Fight Crime Effectively

LifeSiteNews ^ | 9/18/06 | John-Henry Westen

[the invisib1e hand]

I was not taking an anti-Catholic swipe. I was just pointing out, in the name of accuracy, that the Pope's words were somewhat misleading.

How were they misleading?

[cgk]

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[cgk]

Bookmarked. I'm going to use this quote when I next mess with my profile. :)

"In the face of the direct suppression of human beings," he continued, "there can be no compromise or prevarication; it is inconceivable for a society to fight crime effectively when it itself legalizes crime in the field of nascent life."

[mjolnir]

see my post #16, and the page referenced.

Thanks, good link!

I think that page doesn't really show that Benedict was misleading, though... The Pope's point was that the Catholic Church historically supported science, not that it was always correct in the science it supported.

I do think the Learned Emperor the Pope quoted was correct about Islam as well, and the American conservative thinker Richard Weaver ("Ideas have Consequences") was wrong when he said that nominalism and positivism made for scientific advancement. The acceptance by historical Islam of a God who transcends reason, goodness and all other categories we can imagine rather than (the traditional Judeo-Christian) God who is the source of such things is one who has no use for laws of morality or laws of nature.

We are dealing what seem to me to be at least in large part the consequences of that belief today.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Galileo --- sheesh, I've written a bunch on this, and right now I'm too tired to go back and look up all that stuff. Sufficient to say, for now, that Galileo was judged unjustly and later exonerated, just as St. Joan of Arc was judged unjustly by a church tribunal and later exonerated (and proclaimed a saint)--- church tribunals are manned by human beings, all with their share of sin and error.

The fact is that the Church never had a doctrine on a geocentric solar system; it was Ptolemaic-oriented University professors who really hated Galileo's guts; they lassoed the Church in on the issue of "private intepretation of Scripture" and Galileo, who was rather brash, stepped right into it; he'd also rather injudiciously tweaked his friend and patron Pope Urban VIII by putting his views in the mouth of a fictional characer called "Simplicius," ("Simpleton," more or less --- and hey, popes can get injured egos, too) and it ended up with his being put under house arrest.

The injusticeof it was (belatedly) acknowledged and apologized for; it had nothing to do with Catholic doctrine; and those who try to make it into a leitmotif of Church-Science relations know little and care less about the real intellectual patrimony of the Church.

With a Schoolmarmish harrumph, OK?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Post #25 for your reading pleasure.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Bravo. Thanks for that.

[loveliberty2]

One of the most eloquent and overlooked statements from the Pope's Speech in Germany is the following:

"A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures."

Combined with his recent declarations as discussed on this thread, and one can see that the Left in America will find little agreement with the Pope's positions.

[marajade]

"Even the Church acknowledges their error..."

And that makes it all okay?

[Petronski]

Don't tell me you're back for more Catholic bashing....

[marajade]

" ... and later exonerated, just as St. Joan of Arc ..."

After she was burned alive.

[marajade]

Truth hurts?

[Petronski]

Truth hurts?

I'm sure it does, that's why the Catholic Church causes you so much pain.

[marajade]

You know who commits most of the crimes... gangs. And hispanic Catholics are a huge part of that... Not abortion...

[xusafflyer]

The Pope should read Freakonomics. The author argues the decline of crime in the 90's was the result of Roe v Wade in the 70's. Fewer "unwanted" kids is fewer future criminals.

Not sure I totally agree with the conclusions but the book is interesting.

[marajade]

"I'm sure it does, that's why the Catholic Church causes you so much pain."

I think you might have more to worry about radical muslims than poor little ol me.

[Petronski]

And hispanic Catholics are a huge part of that...

Any such behavior is contrary to Catholic teaching.

[Petronski]

You both display contempt for the Catholic Church.

[marajade]

"Any such behavior is contrary to Catholic teaching."

Then why is it so prevalent. More than I would say legalized abortion as a threat.

[marajade]

"You both display contempt for the Catholic Church."

Read my post 32