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Osama Bin Laden About to Attack the U.S., Says Terrorism Expert [suitcase nukes]
US Newswire ^ | 9/22/2006 | Dr. Hugh Cort

Posted on 09/24/2006 3:54:25 AM PDT by Hadean

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To: Hadean


Aw jeez, not this ****t again!


121 posted on 09/24/2006 7:57:25 AM PDT by Perdogg (If you stay home in November, you will elect Pelosi speaker)
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To: Thumper1960

I agree with you actually. I posted about are Gov'ts reaction. I don't think out Gov't would respond in totality. Perhaps tactical nukes. That's what I meant. I hope we don't go vigilanty. Too many Indians, Hispanics and hell ( I'm a darker skinned Italian). I better shave my goatee!


122 posted on 09/24/2006 7:57:30 AM PDT by repubzilla
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To: Hadean

If they bring in a nuke, they surely aren't doing it on a plane. Just drive over our porous border.

Still, I feel safer knowing they are searching old ladies with artificial knees.


123 posted on 09/24/2006 7:59:54 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: repubzilla
If *I* were in government, *I* would be fearful of the people's reaction to government's inaction and incompetence.

If *I* were a resident muslim and jihadis nukes US soil, *I* would be fearful of a few million ticked off and armed citizens tired of jihadist crap.

Just my observation from hearing and speaking with fellow sheep.

124 posted on 09/24/2006 8:03:07 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (Politicians are like diapers. They need changed often, and for the same reasons.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Artificial knee nukes?

Those sneaky and evil jihadists are too smart for us.

/ sarc

125 posted on 09/24/2006 8:04:25 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (Politicians are like diapers. They need changed often, and for the same reasons.)
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To: Mrs. P
I've wondered if any attacks on the US would serve to trigger an all-out war on Muslim nations and that is what they are after.

I have thought that myself -- in Transactional Analysis, I think they call what Osama is doing, "Let's You and Him Fight." Only this version is being carried out in the nth degree, rather than at the interpersonal level.

There is another synthesis of Osama's intentions being built at Jamestown.org, a good antiterrorist site -- the "bleed them white" thesis, under which Osama recognizes that good economic health is incompatible with fighting a war. His objective is to defeat the U.S. by provoking us into overexertion. He economically carries out spectacular attacks, provoking broad responses costing us many, many times what his attacks did, and he does it over and over until we can't do it any more, and presto, he wins.

That's their idea, anyway. A variation on "rope-a-dope", Osama's warfighting plan assumes several things about our conduct and capacities. We can win by changing the assumptions and rules.

126 posted on 09/24/2006 8:24:14 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: mad_as_he$$

My understanding is that our man-portable nukes were derived from nuclear mines and had an explosive yield of 0.1kT to 1.0kT.


127 posted on 09/24/2006 8:41:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (You know something is happening here but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?)
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To: Jemian
During the early '60s I was in Civil Defense in the UK. I lived in a fairly rural area and the CW was that in the event of a nuclear attack on our cities we folks in the boonies would be dealing with the aftermath.

Your scenario sounds similar.

128 posted on 09/24/2006 8:58:19 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: x_plus_one
I think you are referring to a Nostradamus prophecy.......someone in a blue turban.
129 posted on 09/24/2006 9:05:31 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: sonic109

Deport all Muslims? Isn't one about to join Congress? I guess that leaves deportation out.


130 posted on 09/24/2006 9:07:06 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: SirLinksalot; truthandlife; AFPhys
Richard Miniter: The one U.S. official who saw a small nuclear device said it was the size of three footlockers--hardly a suitcase.

Richard Miniter's article in the Wall Street Journal is widely quoted on this forum. Unfortunately, it can easily lead to some very wrong conclusions.

I have personally seen MANY nukes. I have personal experience with nuke maintenance. I can absolutely guarantee that it is possible to make a suitcase nuke, including one that would NOT use tritium as a trigger, and would NOT require maintenance every six months or less.

I have also heard Richard Miniter speak. Some of what he said was right, and some of it was absolute BS.

In particular, Miniter's "3 foot lockers" comment is widely interpreted as meaning that is the smallest you can make a "portable" nuke. He did not actually say that is the smallest they can be made, but that is the impression many people got. That impression is totally wrong.

Miniter's comments about maintenance are tied to tritium triggers, which require frequent maintenance. This is then extrapolated to imply that all nukes require tritium triggers. This is NOT SO, as long as you are willing to use extra plutonium and willing to accept a smaller "bang".

As for General Lebed, I have no way of knowing if he was really the kook he is widely portrayed to be. Nor do I know if Russia ever made a portable nuke. All I can say for sure is that they are technologically possible, and that they are not really that hard to make if you have enough plutonium. The key is getting enough plutonium, which is VERY hard to get, and VERY hard to handle safely.

Bottom Line:

1. You definitely COULD make a suitcase nuke.

2. You definitely COULD design it to be easily maintained in the field if you chose to use enough plutonium.
2a. You do NOT need a tritium trigger if you don't mind using extra plutonium.
2b. You do NOT need to keep the plutonium in close proximity to components that neutron emissions would damage while the device is in storage. Keeping the components separated would greatly reduce the required electronic maintenance. Obviously, for a weapon designed for relatively long term shelf life in between major maintenance, you would need some assembly before it could be used.

3. It definitely COULD be designed to fit in a suitcase.
3a. A minimum size of "3 foot lockers" is total BS.

4. None of this means the Russians ever actually made the damn things.

5. The yield would most likely be less than 10 kilotons.
5a. That means the radius of total destruction would most likely be 1/4 mile or so. In other words, it would knock down almost everything within 3 blocks of where it went off, with decreasing levels of damage further out.

6. Just because it's possible does not mean it's real. I know for certain that it's possible. I have no idea if it's real.

131 posted on 09/24/2006 9:07:39 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: wastoute
That is a very broad brush with which you are painting your selfish little picture.
132 posted on 09/24/2006 9:08:10 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: sonic109
I find it suicidal on the part of America to NOT deport all Muslims knowing what we know about the enemy within.

Too bad for you, newbie, there is a little thing called the Constitution that protects Americans citizens from such fascist suggestions.

133 posted on 09/24/2006 9:08:22 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: Star Traveler
However, you might be dead (depending on what you do and where you are).

Maybe. But my soul cannot die, because of Jesus Christ.

Regards.

134 posted on 09/24/2006 9:57:10 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: lentulusgracchus

As you know, I am completely uneducated and know nothing about technology. OTOH, I do have a small modicum of mother wit. Here's a couple thoughts the lj's just tossed around after reading the article:

1. Remember how Ghaddafi (sp??) gave the US "all" its WMD stuff that they had been working on in a tunneled out mountain with Iraqi $ and help? IIRC, they were working in tandem with Saddam, the British intel found out, and Ghaddafi subsequently decided to deal with the US. Maybe they didn't give "everything" to the US.

2. Remember Khan (can't remember his first name), the Pakistani nuke scientist who met with Bin Laden a couple of times in Afghanistan (I've read this many places on FR), and even made a flyer which he sent round to Muslim countries, essentially offering his services so they too could have nukes? I bet you remember that.

3. Pakistan has nukes.

So I think there's a possibility for something like this to happen. How big? When? For real? Will they be foiled if they actually have some ****?

Who knows. But to discount the possibility entirely is to me a little foolish. Many people in Europe right before the invasion of Poland thought there would be no major war, that Hitler would be satisfied with what he had.


135 posted on 09/24/2006 10:00:34 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Hadean
The FBI needs to search every mosque in our major cities, but in surprise raids, because, apparently, according to an internet posting by the English Muslim convert Rakan Ben Williams, the bombers have a "failsafe plan" where if one of them gets caught the others are to immediately detonate their nukes.

This part I agree with wholeheartedly!

136 posted on 09/24/2006 10:06:47 AM PDT by demsux
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To: SkyPilot

You said -- "Maybe. But my soul cannot die, because of Jesus Christ."

I would definitely agree with that for all Christians. for those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. As He said, He (Jesus Christ) is the only way to the Father. There is no other way.

As for the discussion at hand, I was simply talking about taking prudent measures. And some measures are real simple and good for a lot of different situations that can come up (not only about terrorism).

Regards,
Star Traveler


137 posted on 09/24/2006 10:09:45 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: beckysueb

If they hit, I think they just want to do the most damage they can. Washington DC, New York, LA, Chicago.

Berkeley, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, New Orleans??????


138 posted on 09/24/2006 10:30:24 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Star Traveler

I can think of no other two cities in the world that are 1 and 2 in terms of terrorist targets. And I know people who left NYC after 9-11, having said enough's enough. Smart people.


139 posted on 09/24/2006 10:45:21 AM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: gotribe

You said -- "I can think of no other two cities in the world that are 1 and 2 in terms of terrorist targets. And I know people who left NYC after 9-11, having said enough's enough. Smart people."

Well, you might check out Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. AND, they've got Jews *moving there* -- still...

Regards,
Star Traveler

P.S. The ranking for the "top terrorist cities" is not as you say. Although New York is on the top of the list, the list is actually ranked the following way --

New York
Chicago
San Francisco
Washington
Seattle
Los Angeles

See -- http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=3713


140 posted on 09/24/2006 10:53:20 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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