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WHEN CATTLE FUTURES ARE THE FUTURE: HILLARY CLINTON'S COW TRADES AS PROGNOSTIC
National Review ^ | 9.25.06 | Mia T, Caroline Baum

Posted on 09/25/2006 4:52:53 AM PDT by Mia T

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1 posted on 09/25/2006 4:53:02 AM PDT by Mia T
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To: Gail Wynand

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2 posted on 09/25/2006 4:57:28 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: joanie-f

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3 posted on 09/25/2006 4:58:09 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: WorkingClassFilth; Gail Wynand; Brian Allen; Lonesome in Massachussets; yoe; YaYa123; joanie-f; ...

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4 posted on 09/25/2006 4:58:37 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Brian Allen

ping


5 posted on 09/25/2006 4:59:34 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

Election campaign? Let the games begin!
Vote Hellary (OUT)!!


6 posted on 09/25/2006 5:05:21 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (ffffFReeeePeee!)
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To: Mia T

Mia T. Bump


7 posted on 09/25/2006 5:05:40 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Mia T

I had never read that analysis by Caroline Baum. (She currently writes for Bloomberg.) I trade commodities. The secret lies in avoiding trying to turn $1,000 into $10,000 overnight. That is the way to the poorhouse. The secret does lie in trying to take a $10,000 account and make a couple of hundred dollars a day. What Hillary did is impossible, not only for her, but for the best traders alive.


8 posted on 09/25/2006 5:10:35 AM PDT by groanup (Did you know there are actually Freepers who defend the IRS?)
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To: Leo Carpathian

Preemptive removal in '06 would be a smart move for the Ds. But they have neither the foresight nor the courage....


9 posted on 09/25/2006 5:12:14 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

bump


10 posted on 09/25/2006 5:12:33 AM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Mia T

I don't even trade commodities, but you just know that if a regular person tried to explain away the amazing profits by the same kinfd of incoherent and garbled explanation, they would be under great suspicion of manipulation. The real question is, if HRC is so good that she could make 10,000% profit in one year, whey did she quit? If only she had kept at it for two more years, she could have turned the $100,000 into $10,000,000 and then the $10,000,000 into $1,000,000,000!


11 posted on 09/25/2006 5:14:29 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: groanup

"Public service," missus clinton's cash cow, literally.

As 9/11 has demonstrated, people in government as corrupt and self-serving as the clintons can easily be fatal.


12 posted on 09/25/2006 5:19:15 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

Isn't Hillary!'s trading in cattle futures sort of...cannabalistic?


13 posted on 09/25/2006 5:19:27 AM PDT by toomuchcoffee
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To: groanup

Please don't forget that it was uncovered (probably in 1995) that the person running Mrs. Clinton's blind-trust as the Clintons entered the White House -- that guy was SHORTING pharmaceutical and other healthcare stocks... right at the time that Mrs. Clinton was leading the taskforce for nationalizing the healthcare industry... a time when healthcare and pharmaceutical stocks "were under a great deal of pressure" to understate things. The Clintons, who always claim to have no interest in $, have been using rigged systems their entire lives.

Even at the very end of their Whitewater adventure, the Clintons lawyer recognized that they needed to get legally disconnected from that venture, he imposed on Jim McDougal to take it off their hands. By doing so, McDougal was relieving them of about $50K in debt that he was absorbing -- a little something that they failed to disclose in their tax return.

These observations are all based on my somewhat foggy memory, but if you go back and search the archives, I think you'll find them pretty close to the mark.


14 posted on 09/25/2006 5:22:43 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: Mia T

<< HILLARY!?? WHAT IS THIS MORIBUND LOSER DOING IN THE POLITICAL ARENA, ANYWAY? >>

Got me still hangin'. Specially after NR's brilliant analysis of her brilliant post-market-close year in commodities. 'Cept I have this mall moral integrity problem and know that for me to have appeared to be the winner she was not, her "agent" had literally to be robbing some poor bastard, I'da hung on to that deal with all I was worth anda milked it for all it was worth.


15 posted on 09/25/2006 5:47:55 AM PDT by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: Mia T

Im not now,nor will be in the future, or even have been interested in buying the cow(Hillary).


16 posted on 09/25/2006 5:50:57 AM PDT by OklaRancher
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
precisely! Why AREN'T the clintons in the slammer... at a minimum?

As the Washington press corps slumped into unconsciousness listening to missus clinton's jargon-laden droning about the sequestration of noxious byproducts of burning fossil fuel--it became increasingly clear that the fossil1 emissions of most concern were the gaseous effluences coming from the jargoneer, herself.

A "smartest woman in the world" would have had the good sense to limit her sequestrations to what she knows best--supoenaed Rose-Law records, say... or the Republicans' raw FBI files... or, more on point, Proclamation No. 6920 and quid-pro-quo coal.2


TWO BIRDS, ONE STONE

If the purpose of missus clinton's carefully choreographed if transparent and "achingly dull" speech was to dispel the increasingly held notion that she ain't all that smart, well, it backfired. Hardly trippingly-on-the-tongue techno-talk (even when not spoon-fed to her by aides and handlers) does not a brainiac image make.


But it is more than that. There is something about missus clinton's execution--the cadence perhaps--or maybe it's the all-too-familiar shopping-list structure so favored by her equally uncreative3 husband--that signals technical discomfort, if not downright ignorance and stupidity. Her recent nanotech harangue is another example of this techno-bumbling.

As a matter of fact, missus clinton, herself, confirms her less than stellar technical credentials. Her Olympian lament, you may recall, told the sad story of her having to chuck math and science for politics because she just didn't have the right stuff.

Oh! How much better off the country would be today if only missus clinton could do calculus....

QUID PRO COAL2:
CLINTON CORRUPTION + THE SEQUESTRATION OF GASEOUS FOSSILS
(HILLARY DOES COAL AT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB)
by Mia T, 4.27.06


17 posted on 09/25/2006 5:51:56 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: OklaRancher

... and as an OklaRancher, you must know your cows. ;)


18 posted on 09/25/2006 5:58:09 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

Money-Power, Money-Power.............


19 posted on 09/25/2006 6:00:57 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: Brian Allen; Gail Wynand; All
<< HILLARY!?? WHAT IS THIS MORIBUND LOSER DOING IN THE POLITICAL ARENA, ANYWAY? >>

 

Got me still hangin'. Specially after NR's brilliant analysis of her brilliant post-market-close year in commodities. 'Cept I have this mall moral integrity problem and know that for me to have appeared to be the winner she was not, her "agent" had literally to be robbing some poor bastard, I'da hung on to that deal with all I was worth anda milked it for all it was worth. -- Brian Allen

Indeed. And today we are the "poor bastard[s]."
As Gail Wynand so brilliantly put it the other day,
"They took the village."

20 posted on 09/25/2006 6:06:37 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: groanup
I can tell you how it was done: I used to work at the CME many years ago (Chicago Mercantile Exchange).

With the help of a crooked little brokerage house in Little Rock, and an enthusiastic influence peddler ( a guy from Tyson Foods--wanted influence with then Arkansas Secretary of Agriculture Bill Clinton) a commodities account was opened. Mrs. Clinton put in her $1,000. She could either buy or sell some futures contracts (IT DIDNT MATTER WHICH) because the influence guy would take the other side of buy or sell. No names were written on the contracts (Street Name) which was legal back in those days. Later--that day or more--contracts were sold or bought back if short sale, and the influence guy took the loser contracts and Mrs. Clinton the winners. Brokerage house accomated this process. It's called "Parking the Trade".

21 posted on 09/25/2006 6:08:16 AM PDT by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: bmwcyle

We must purge DC of the professional politician and return to the idea of the citizen-politician; only then would we would break the power-and-corruption cycle.

Post-9/11, we no longer have the luxury of time or circumstance to abide that nonsense.

We certainly don't have the luxury of time or circumstance to survive another clinton. Indeed, we may yet not survive the first one.


22 posted on 09/25/2006 6:11:52 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: johnandrhonda

Thanks for clarifying...
'Parking the Trade.' 'Trading the farm' (ours, not theirs) was/is operational also.


23 posted on 09/25/2006 6:27:24 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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24 posted on 09/25/2006 6:27:47 AM PDT by redstates4ever
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To: redstates4ever


DETAILS


25 posted on 09/25/2006 6:36:25 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

We could if the left would punish their own.


26 posted on 09/25/2006 6:39:28 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: Mia T
That the Clintons are grifters living high of other people's money is very obvious. Bill and Hill prior to Bill's stint as Arkansas governor never owned a home or a business, drove beat up used cars and clearly were not wealthy. Even while Bill was governor and Attorney General Hill worked as a very junior partner in a rinky dink Little Rock law firm.

Their ascendancy to wealth started with this cattle futures deal and the White Water boondoggle. After leaving the presidency both got huge multi-million dollar book deals for schlock books ghost written by others. Hill's Chapaqua mansion and Georgetown chateau were purchased by others in nefarious deals. Bill makes millions by charging 6 figures plus for some BS speeches and both regularly sponge off the Hollywood glitterati. Daughter Chelsea inherited this same grifting character and landed a 6 figure plus job with no experience and after nearly being kicked out of Oxford for not attending classes. She is seen more hanging out in Europe with the jet set and with her boyfriend than she is ever on the job.

27 posted on 09/25/2006 6:40:51 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: johnandrhonda

So the "losing" side was a guy who wanted to spend 100 thou to buy Hillary. No trades are marked until settle up when she takes all the winners and he takes the losers. Pretty neat work if you can get it.


28 posted on 09/25/2006 7:07:40 AM PDT by groanup (Did you know there are actually Freepers who defend the IRS?)
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To: The Great RJ
Exactly.

 
 
GEFILTE FISHY
 
by Mia T

 

 
The clintons:
Meshuga, tref, tsuris.
Shopworn shtick, schmaltz, tsimmes.
Ganef, schlemiel, schlimazel.
A crooked putz with a big schnozzle.
 
Nudnik, nebbish, tummler.
Two chachkas on Geraldo's mantle, two schnorrers.
Kibitzer, kvetch with chutzpah.
Yenta, spieler, two stuffed kishkas.

 


29 posted on 09/25/2006 7:17:08 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: bmwcyle

Actually, it doesn't require the help of ANY politician.

We can purge DC of the professional politician... return to the idea of the citizen-politician... and thereby break the power-and-corruption cycle... all by ourselves. And it is crucial to our survival that we do. As 9/11 demonstrated, self-serving, mediocre, abject losers in positions of leadership can be fatal.

We must field citizen-politicians of the highest caliber. As envisioned by the founders, the citizen-politicians would ''lend'' their expertise to government and then return to private life. The culture of access, influence and self-interest--and with it, the tyranny--would literally disappear overnight.

With their obvious excellence and assisted by the new technology, the citizen-politicians would easily bypass the stacked system to capture the imagination -- and the votes -- of the masses.


30 posted on 09/25/2006 7:35:30 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: redstates4ever

BTW, I believe the graphic in your post was created by the wonderful Zacs Mom.


31 posted on 09/25/2006 7:38:44 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Zacs Mom

kudos ping


32 posted on 09/25/2006 7:39:15 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

... which brings us to Perot....


33 posted on 09/25/2006 8:07:52 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

The 19th century terminology for psychopath, was the much more approrpriate, "moral imbecile".
A Yale law school educated, wife of a State attorney general and practicing business lawyer, makes $100,000 in 1978 on a $1000 investment in retail commodity trading.
Only the functional imbeciles of the MSN would believe such a preposterous story.
As a current satirist has recently pointed out, the MSN is not "biased", they long ago sold out and have become a functioning unit of our political Left. The failure of the media to follow up on unmistakeable unambiguous corruption such as the cattle futures payoff, demonstates the medias active role in all of the subsequent corruptions engaged in by this prominent pair of moral imbeciles.

In the cattle futures incident three things are demonstratably certain and beyond doubt. Her gains were impossible to acheive legally, the criminal means for acheiving them are known, and her explanation(s) make no sense whatsoever. The failure to prosecute this crime was unexcusable.


34 posted on 09/25/2006 9:05:12 AM PDT by Gail Wynand
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
If only she had kept at it for two more years, she could have turned the $100,000 into $10,000,000 and then the $10,000,000 into $1,000,000,000!

She's already well on her way to those figures, not by trading cattle futures, but by selling our futures.

35 posted on 09/25/2006 9:07:18 AM PDT by AZLiberty (Creating the <a href="http://clinton.senate.gov">straddle</a> Google bomb one post at a time.)
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To: Gail Wynand

bump!

The failure to prosecute WAS inexcusable... and, hence, post #30.


36 posted on 09/25/2006 9:10:12 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: UWSrepublican

ping


37 posted on 09/25/2006 10:30:34 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

I hope the Power Whore herself visits these threads once in a while. The mirror isn't a friend for someone like her. Bump!


38 posted on 09/25/2006 3:34:56 PM PDT by fullchroma
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To: AZLiberty

bump


39 posted on 09/25/2006 4:21:51 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: fullchroma

thanx :)


40 posted on 09/25/2006 4:27:48 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: toomuchcoffee
Isn't Hillary!'s trading in cattle futures sort of...cannabalistic?

Hillary investing in cows should be considered insider trading.

41 posted on 09/25/2006 4:42:55 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Mia T
BTTT
42 posted on 09/25/2006 9:05:07 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Mia T

bttt


43 posted on 09/25/2006 9:05:47 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Gail Wynand
The floor trader was/is a well known crook, who had been in trouble with the SEC for a long time, prior to this set of futures trades. What Red Bone did WAS and still IS illegal! He WAS punished for the transactions.

The thing is, that when such fraud is committed, the person who commits it and gets caught, gets punished; his clients do not and neither are their names published. The reason that we all know that Hillary was a member of the fraud, is because Bill ran for president and it then came out.

When Red Bone was caught "red handed", EVERYONE in Chicago, who was a part of the financial community, knew about it.

44 posted on 09/25/2006 9:12:45 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Mia T
Nobody, NOBODY, who is the client, has ever been prosecuted. That's the way the law is written. The trader is the one who gets prosecuted and yes, Red Bone was.
45 posted on 09/25/2006 9:14:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Mia T

Gee, thanks, Mia T. I've never received a bump before for posting a comment!


46 posted on 09/25/2006 10:09:25 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Teddy drank, people sank.)
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To: nopardons

This is not a run of the mill commodities broker gone bad, this is a thinly disguised payoff of the State Attorney General (via his spouse) from associates of one of the largest regulated industries in the State (Tyson). The crime that needed to be prosecuted was the official corruption of Bill Clinton, w/ Hillary as a knowing accomplice.


47 posted on 09/25/2006 10:49:27 PM PDT by Gail Wynand
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To: Gail Wynand
And the others who profited were also "BIG SHOTS"; however, the way the law is written, only the actual trader is the one who gets prosecuted in FEDERAL ( via the SEC ) court and disallowed from participating in trading on the Merc.

I didn't write the law; I'm just telling you what it is and how it worked. Who the clients were, who profited or lost, were never the issue; the perpetrator of the crime was the only one who mattered to the SEC.

48 posted on 09/25/2006 10:55:04 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons; Gail Wynand

If I understand Gail Wynand's point, the illegal cow trades were simply the particular type of tender used in an overarching crime that falls outside the domain of the SEC.


49 posted on 09/26/2006 3:04:12 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: AZLiberty

hard to believe. it was such a great point. :)


50 posted on 09/26/2006 3:06:20 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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