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Why Darwinism Is Doomed
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09/27/2006 | Jonathan Wells

Posted on 09/27/2006 9:56:09 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: tacticalogic
You refused to accept anything but a "qualitative statement"

Do you understand the difference between qualitative and quantitative?

You can continue to argue apples vs. oranges...with somebody else

We must agree to disagree.

1,151 posted on 10/04/2006 5:24:01 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Do you understand the difference between qualitative and quantitative?

Do you? You claim I have made a "quantitative" assesment of the evidence. I know enough about the difference between qualitative and quantitative to know that you can't make a quantitative assesment of something that doesn't have a quantitative unit of measure.

You've erroneously interpreted "no evidence" to be quantitative when it is not, and cannot be.

1,152 posted on 10/04/2006 5:32:52 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
you can't make a quantitative assesment of something that doesn't have a quantitative unit of measure.

So now you are claiming the amount of evidence does not have a quantitative unit of measure - do you realize how silly of a statement you just made.

Like I said, you can dig as deep of a hole as you desire - your arguments lack understanding of the terms - not to mention your statements lack reasoning - you just want to "win"

We will have to agree to disagree.

1,153 posted on 10/04/2006 6:31:35 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
So now you are claiming the amount of evidence does not have a quantitative unit of measure - do you realize how silly of a statement you just made.

It's not silly at all. Are you saying it does have a quantitive unit of measure? If so, what is it?

1,154 posted on 10/04/2006 8:39:38 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Elsie

Psst, psst. Point me in the direction of the "perfect" people. That's for you to prove.


1,155 posted on 10/04/2006 11:24:46 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: tacticalogic
It's not silly at all. Are you saying it does have a quantitive unit of measure? If so, what is it?

Here are the definitions of the words you seem to be having trouble with:

Quantitative: How much evidence - the quantity of evidence
Qualitative: How good the evidence may be - your opinion.

Why don't you look up the words rather than ask me to explain it to you - don't be so intellectually lazy.

You are making a quantitative statement (speaking of the amount of evidence) and then you try to back it up by making qualitative statements (you don't think the quality of the evidence is good) - very illogical.

1,156 posted on 10/04/2006 1:20:36 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Quantitative: How much evidence - the quantity of evidence

And what exactly is the unit of measure of evidence that I am expressing a quantity of? You do understand "unit of measure" don't you? You claim that in is inaccurate to say that there is "no evidence" there. If that is the case, perhaps you can tell me exactly how much evidence there is.

I've already agreed to change my assesment from "no evidence" to "non-existent evidence" and then to "fraudulent evidence" to try and find something that suits you. What more do you want?

1,157 posted on 10/04/2006 1:59:26 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
And what exactly is the unit of measure of evidence that I am expressing a quantity of?

Whatever the author provides as evidence - is evidence. That is not up to you - you are not in control of the quantitative aspect of somebody else's position. You can provide your opinion - that is the qualitative aspect. Based on your qualitative judgment you can claim you feel the evidence is not evidence at all - this is still a qualitative judgment - you can not change the quantitative aspect unless you rewrite the article.

1,158 posted on 10/04/2006 2:43:21 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Whatever the author provides as evidence - is evidence. That is not up to you - you are not in control of the quantitative aspect of somebody else's position. You can provide your opinion - that is the qualitative aspect. Based on your qualitative judgment you can claim you feel the evidence is not evidence at all - this is still a qualitative judgment - you can not change the quantitative aspect unless you rewrite the article.

So you can't tell me how much evidence there is? That's probably because there isn't any. That's what we call a "clue".

1,159 posted on 10/04/2006 2:47:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
So you can't tell me how much evidence there is? That's probably because there isn't any. That's what we call a "clue".

Whatever...

1,160 posted on 10/04/2006 9:19:14 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog

I've been nice, and limited my criticism of the article to what is objectively defensible. If you insist on having a subjective "personal opinion" I can give you one. I doubt that you'll like it.


1,161 posted on 10/05/2006 5:15:52 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: taxesareforever
Psst, psst. Point me in the direction of the "perfect" people. That's for you to prove.

No where did I ever claim this.


You and I are in basic agreement over many, many things.

I merely want the 'daily' claim pointed to clearly.

(I think that if I were to check into a local hospital's census; I could find a coma case. I really doubt that this person is going to 'sin' daily.)

1,162 posted on 10/05/2006 5:24:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: taxesareforever
Point me in the direction of the "perfect" people.

Will 'trying to acheive perfection' count? ;^)



NIV Matthew 5:48
   Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
 

NIV Matthew 19:21
  Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

1,163 posted on 10/05/2006 5:27:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: tacticalogic
If you insist on having a subjective "personal opinion" I can give you one. I doubt that you'll like it.

You are not making sense again - you are going to give my a "personal opinion"? Yeah. Right. Whatever...

1,164 posted on 10/05/2006 1:06:10 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Elsie

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

This includes a person who is in a coma. If one is born in sin one cannot toss sin away. It can only be taken away by God, thur Christ. Why do we die? It's because that is the punishment for our sinfulness.


1,165 posted on 10/05/2006 1:11:39 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Elsie
Will 'trying to acheive perfection' count? ;^)

Only thing that counts is faith in Jesus Christ. He has done it all for us. 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Is. 64.6 But we are all as an unclean thing, an all our righteousnesses are as filty rags:....

1,166 posted on 10/05/2006 2:00:28 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Last Visible Dog
You are not making sense again - you are going to give my a "personal opinion"? Yeah. Right. Whatever..

Wells is a charlatan, a fraud, and a liar. He's a stark raving, bible thumping fundamentalist moonie-bat, who's gone out and gotten himself a degree in biology for the sole purpose of using it to try and pass off his theologcical preaching as "science". He's trying to pass himself off as a "scientist", and his opinions as "scientific" when he doesn't have, and never did have the slightest intention of allowing anything as objective as the scientific method anywhere near his methodology or conclusions.

1,167 posted on 10/05/2006 3:56:27 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
Wells is a charlatan, a fraud, and a liar

That would be a qualitative judgment - remember, you are trying to defend your quantitative statement.

1,168 posted on 10/06/2006 5:29:18 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
That would be a qualitative judgment - remember, you are trying to defend your quantitative statement.

All the evidence to support it is in the article, whether you choose to see it as evidence or not.

1,169 posted on 10/06/2006 5:56:21 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
All the evidence to support it is in the article, whether you choose to see it as evidence or not.

Clearly you still don't understand the difference between qualitative and quantitative.

That has been the issue all along.

1,170 posted on 10/06/2006 6:39:34 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: taxesareforever

He has done it all for us.

(Bears repeating - LOUDLY!!!)

1,171 posted on 10/06/2006 7:04:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Last Visible Dog

If it's "in the eye of the beholder", then there is no objective reference to say whether any difference actually exists.


1,172 posted on 10/06/2006 7:04:31 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Elsie
(More perfection...)


 
 

NIV 2 Corinthians 13:11
   Finally, brothers, good-by. Aim for perfection, listen to my appeal, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.
 

NIV 2 Corinthians 13:9
   We are glad whenever we are weak but you are strong; and our prayer is for your perfection.
 

NIV Philippians 3:12
   Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.
 

NIV Colossians 1:28
   We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.
 

NIV Hebrews 10:11-14
 11.  Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
 12.  But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.
 13.  Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool,
 14.  because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
 

NIV Hebrews 11:40
   God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

1,173 posted on 10/06/2006 7:06:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: tacticalogic
If it's "in the eye of the beholder", then there is no objective reference to say whether any difference actually exists.

You still don't get it - "in the eye of the beholder" refers to the presentation of evidence by the author of the position - you may retort with a qualitative argument but you are attempting to retort with a quantitative argument and it is not working.

You still don't understand the difference between qualitative and quantitative and so you are relegated to the "PeeWee Herman" style retorts: "Is not...is not...is not...is not..."

1,174 posted on 10/06/2006 7:23:23 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
You still don't understand the difference between qualitative and quantitative

An entirely qualitative statement, ie your "personal opinion".

Say hello to your own petard.

1,175 posted on 10/06/2006 7:28:23 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
An entirely qualitative statement, ie your "personal opinion".

Yes, my qualitative analysis is you don't understand the difference between qualitative and quantitative. And your point is....?

You might want to look up the word "petard" - looks like you don't understand the meaning of that word either.

This is pointless. You clearly don't have the remotest clue as to what you are talking about (btw: that is a qualitative statement)

1,176 posted on 10/06/2006 8:18:59 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
This is pointless. You clearly don't have the remotest clue as to what you are talking about (btw: that is a qualitative statement)

The statement will be given all the consideration due all such statements from idiots.

1,177 posted on 10/06/2006 8:23:52 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
The statement will be given all the consideration due all such statements from idiots.

Now you turn to personal attacks - so predictable.

1,178 posted on 10/06/2006 8:49:23 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog

No personal attack. Simply a qualitative assesment.


1,179 posted on 10/06/2006 9:02:17 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
No personal attack. Simply a qualitative assesment.

Face it - you turned to name-calling and personal attacks because you ran out of intellectual ammunition.

1,180 posted on 10/06/2006 10:14:01 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog

It's not a personal attack if it's true. As far as "intellectual ammuntion" goes, any intellectual aspect of this exchange went down the toilet when evidence became "in the eye of the beholder".


1,181 posted on 10/06/2006 10:41:12 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Elsie

AMEN to that!


1,182 posted on 10/06/2006 10:44:14 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: tacticalogic
any intellectual aspect of this exchange went down the toilet when evidence became "in the eye of the beholder".

You do like to flaunt your ignorance.

1,183 posted on 10/06/2006 11:38:35 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog

I hammer idiots as a public service.


1,184 posted on 10/06/2006 11:40:42 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Last Visible Dog; tacticalogic

Hoisted up by your LEOTARD ain't too much fun, either!


1,185 posted on 10/06/2006 12:50:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Last Visible Dog
Your spelled flatulence wrong.
1,186 posted on 10/06/2006 12:52:06 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Full-body wedgie!


1,187 posted on 10/06/2006 1:06:28 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Elsie
Your spelled flatulence wrong.

And you spelled moron wrong.

1,188 posted on 10/06/2006 1:42:42 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Elsie
Hoisted up by your LEOTARD ain't too much fun, either!

Like I said - some Bozo's really do like to flaunt their ignorance. Keep it up - it is fun to watch.

1,189 posted on 10/06/2006 1:44:00 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: tacticalogic
I hammer idiots as a public service.

Actually you just make a fool out of yourself.

1,190 posted on 10/06/2006 1:44:38 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog

All the con artist shills tell me that.


1,191 posted on 10/06/2006 2:17:49 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
All the con artist shills tell me that.

Do you talk to yourself often?

1,192 posted on 10/06/2006 2:19:21 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog

Occasionally I'll grumble, and go get a bigger hammer.


1,193 posted on 10/06/2006 2:48:17 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
Occasionally I'll grumble, and go get a bigger hammer.


1,194 posted on 10/06/2006 4:40:24 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
OOOOH! You posted a PICTURE!

Seen it before. You don't have to defend what you say if you don't really say anything. It's a coward's tactic.

1,195 posted on 10/06/2006 5:43:49 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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