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Cardinal Mahoney's Unspoken Agenda on Illegal Immigration
Human Events Online ^ | Sep 27, 2006 | Jim Gilchrist and Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 09/28/2006 6:10:37 AM PDT by kellynla

Earlier this month, a scant 400 people marched in the Los Angeles Labor Day demonstration in support of illegal immigrants, a dramatic decline compared to the 400,000 who attempted to bring downtown Los Angeles to a halt in May. Still, this didn’t keep Cardinal Roger Mahoney from joining in and proclaiming to tell parishioners at the opulent Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in downtown Los Angeles that “without this immigrant population, this state would be bankrupt.”

To the contrary, Mahoney has it backwards. Unless this illegal immigrant invasion is stopped right now, the state of California is certain to go bankrupt, and soon.

While writing our new book, “Minutemen: The Battle to Secure America’s Borders,” we attempted to interview Mahoney. Sadly he refused our request. We were able to speak with Kevin Appleby, director of migration and refugee policy for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in Washington, D.C. Mr. Appleby asserted to us that the church’s solution is “different from the Minutemen’s solution,” which he characterized as “to build a wall and seal the border.” Instead, Appleby argued in support of a “guest worker program,” which he refused to categorize as an amnesty.

When pressed, Appleby shifted ground, arguing that the United States has a “moral obligation” not to its own citizens, but to open our borders to Mexicans who want to live and work here. “With the U.S. being the greatest economic power in the world,” he explained to us, “we would have some obligation to help Mexico solve their problem of poverty.” He then insisted that legalizing Mexican here illegally would allow the church to make sure they are hired at or above minimum wage, with benefits.

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KEYWORDS: aliens; catholicchurch; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; mahoney; rogermahony
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"In other words, the real agenda of Mahony and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is to get the millions of illegal aliens currently in the U.S. a virtual guarantee of citizenship and therefore “rights” to which they are not now entitled. Illegals following the “roadmap to citizenship” would get minimum wages and full benefits—likely to the economic detriment of existing union workers. And as an added plus for the Catholic Church, these new citizens would conveniently be looking to the church, not the U.S. government, as their benefactor."
1 posted on 09/28/2006 6:10:38 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla
Is Mahoney supposed to be involving himself with state government?
2 posted on 09/28/2006 6:13:13 AM PDT by msnimje (Seriously, if it REALLY were a religion of PEACE, would they have to label it as such?)
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx; A. Pole; NYer; Salvation

Ping!



Mexico needs to solve Mexico's problems instead of dumping them on our back porch! And the sooner the Mexicans realize that, the better. In the meantime, lets get that fence/wall or whatever they're going to build...built!


3 posted on 09/28/2006 6:13:32 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Cardinal Mahoney, American Traitor.


4 posted on 09/28/2006 6:15:39 AM PDT by montag813
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To: msnimje; NYer; Salvation

"Is Mahoney supposed to be involving himself with state government?"

"NYer" and/or "Salvation" would be better qualified than I to answer your question.


5 posted on 09/28/2006 6:17:12 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla; redgirlinabluestate; DadOfTwoMarines; aimee5291; GatorGirl; maryz; ...

+

If you want on (or off) this Catholic and Pro-Life ping list, let me know!



6 posted on 09/28/2006 6:18:24 AM PDT by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: kellynla

I don't think anyone should be to surprised about this. The church is just looking for a constituency kinda like the democrats are.


7 posted on 09/28/2006 6:19:24 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: montag813

Lets not get into posting smears, please.

Mahoney may be wrong on how to deal with this issue but he is hardly a "traitor" any more than other Americans who are on the opposite side of this issue are.

Mahoney is a man of God and deserves our respect.


8 posted on 09/28/2006 6:23:10 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: msnimje
And why not, he also gets $$$$$ from local, State and U.S. taxpayers. He no longer needs to rely on the meager coins dropped in the plates by the illegals.

I'm not, but were I a Catholic, I would flatly refuse to give one cent to support what the Church is doing not only in CA but all across America. They almost singlehandedly are supporting not only Mexifornia but Norte Americana.

9 posted on 09/28/2006 6:23:33 AM PDT by zerosix
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To: Sunshine Sister

"The church is just looking for a constituency kinda like the democrats are."

You don't know much about Catholics and the Church, do you? LOL


10 posted on 09/28/2006 6:27:39 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: montag813

It's all about money and power for him. The LA churches have been hurting financially due to decreased attendance. Mahoney is not a man of God.

The Latino-Catholic alliance has spilled out in to many of the surrounding cities in the Inland Empire as well. Local priests are demanding districts drawn up just for Latino voters and organizing political rallies.


11 posted on 09/28/2006 6:28:21 AM PDT by xusafflyer (Mexifornian by birth, Hoosier by choice.)
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To: montag813

It's all about money and power for him. The LA churches have been hurting financially due to decreased attendance. Mahoney is not a man of God.

The Latino-Catholic alliance has spilled out in to many of the surrounding cities in the Inland Empire as well. Local priests are demanding districts drawn up just for Latino voters and organizing political rallies.


12 posted on 09/28/2006 6:28:21 AM PDT by xusafflyer (Mexifornian by birth, Hoosier by choice.)
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To: kellynla
"Mahoney is a man of God and deserves our respect."

I'm sorry, kelly..but I have no respect for him. He does not speak for this Catholic.

sw

13 posted on 09/28/2006 6:29:13 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: kellynla

“With the U.S. being the greatest economic power in the world,” he explained to us, “we would have some obligation to help Mexico solve their problem of poverty.” Yeah, our obligation might extend to buying products made in Mexico (if the price is right). Otherwise Cardinal, STFU and obey our laws. No one put you above them.


14 posted on 09/28/2006 6:32:30 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: kellynla

I think you need to research Mahoney a little more. John and Ken (the 2 crazy radio guys on KFI) had some interesting information about him a few years ago.

God's work does not include impeding investigations by the LA District Attorney.


15 posted on 09/28/2006 6:33:09 AM PDT by xusafflyer (Mexifornian by birth, Hoosier by choice.)
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To: zerosix

oh gezzzzzzz...another "fallen away Catholic"
break out the violins! LOL

I guess its the Catholic Church's fault you're not a practicing Catholic now...
sorry...but I left my hanky in the car.


16 posted on 09/28/2006 6:37:29 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: xusafflyer

sorry, but I don't depend on a couple of "crazy" radio DJ's for my information. LOL

if you want to bash the Catholic Church, its ministry and members; you will have to go elsewhere.


17 posted on 09/28/2006 6:41:00 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Sunshine Sister

I don't even think Mahoney is doing it for a constituency. He is doing it to be 'out there,' on the cutting edge of defiant and holier than thou. He doesn't care about Catholicism, nor, I bet, does he practice it. But he does care about FAME and he is prideful and arrogant. Some of the sheeple think he is just wonderful for daring to defy Rome. He turns my stomach.


18 posted on 09/28/2006 6:42:20 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: RKV

"Otherwise Cardinal, STFU?"

do you eat with that mouth? LMAO


19 posted on 09/28/2006 6:42:51 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: spectre

I disagree with Mahoney's position but I am certainly not going to smear him like some have done on this thread.
I'm sure his heart is in the right place but Mexico needs to solve Mexico's problems...and with our help; I would support such a position.


20 posted on 09/28/2006 6:46:20 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

"Mahoney is a man of God and deserves our respect."

Sorry Kelly.
Mahoney has done a great deal of damage to the Catholic faith,
the traditions of which he does not appear to practice or support.
While I respect his office of bishop, I cannot respect him personally.
I don't think I am the Lone Ranger on this issue.


21 posted on 09/28/2006 6:47:14 AM PDT by rogator
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To: bboop

ya know if you're gonna do nothing but smear a Catholic priests; take your BS elsewhere.

The subject is illegal immigration.

gezzzzzz you anti-Catholics need to start your own thread so you can just bash Catholics & the Church all day! LOL


22 posted on 09/28/2006 6:53:16 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

I personally know a cardinal of the Church so I can tell you they are not all deserving of blank-check respect. I don't know this one, so I'll just hope he is a better priest than he is a patriot.


23 posted on 09/28/2006 6:59:56 AM PDT by Graymatter (Yes I do question patriotism, now more than ever.)
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To: rogator

Not to mention the fact that he moved predator priests around instead of turning them in.

As you said, he did a lot of damage to the Catholic Church.


24 posted on 09/28/2006 7:05:02 AM PDT by KittyKares
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To: Graymatter

again, the subject is illegal immigration
if you want to start a thread about the Catholic Church, Catholicism & Catholics feel free to do so.
gezzzzzzzzzzzzzz


25 posted on 09/28/2006 7:13:13 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Mahoney is a man of God and deserves our respect.

I am not alone in doubting his veracity in that regard. He is showing himself more and more as a political/economic figure and not a religious one.

26 posted on 09/28/2006 7:20:50 AM PDT by montag813
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To: kellynla
Sorry to bust your violin concerto but not now, never have been Catholic, nor do I play on on television.

Will the fact that I know some Catholics, or one of my best friends is a Catholic do?

My point is, were the good Cardinal leader of my faith, I'd see to it that he and all others of his ilk, were either punished or better yet, sent packing.

Leaders are supposed to lead, not support an illegal invasion of America!

27 posted on 09/28/2006 7:22:16 AM PDT by zerosix
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To: kellynla

I am sorry -- I am a new Catholic, very orthodox, behind the Pope all the way. I personally believe that Mahoney is anything but. And this is pretty common knowledge.

I believe you misunderstood my post.


28 posted on 09/28/2006 7:23:45 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: montag813

Well one can, as I do, respectfully disagree with Mahoney's position on illegal immigration without smearing the man as some have done on this thread.
gezzzzzzzz...


29 posted on 09/28/2006 7:25:46 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
I wish the bastard would have been as passionate defending the abused by the HOMOSEXUAL PERVERT PRIESTS of the Catholic Church. See what happens when you lose the high moral ground, the credibility the reputation?...

I am still waiting for the Pope to apologize to the victims of the degenerate priests with the same gusto as he did the head-cutters

Boy, am I angry? YOU BET!... i will do my best not to let people forget what they did, and rather did not do!

30 posted on 09/28/2006 7:27:43 AM PDT by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: ElPatriota

and your post has what to do with illegal immigration?


31 posted on 09/28/2006 7:30:53 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
again, the subject is illegal immigration if you want to start a thread about the Catholic Church, Catholicism & Catholics feel free to do so. gezzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Well spank my fanny Thread Nanny! You brought it up, not me. Read the context of your own opening post.
buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

32 posted on 09/28/2006 7:35:06 AM PDT by Graymatter (Yes I do question patriotism, now more than ever.)
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To: kellynla

The Cardinal being a cardinal means nothing to me. As you can tell. The Cardinal is an American citizen and subject to our laws. The was a big sh!tstorm called the Reformation a couple hundred years ago - and one of the issues was that clergy wasn't subject to civil law. We fixed that, and I for one don't want to go back to having clergy be above the law.


33 posted on 09/28/2006 7:35:41 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: xusafflyer

It's all about money and power for him.



I believe there's some of that, but also, Mahoney's simply a huge, huge, liberal, and like liberals everywhere, liberalism is his first religion, and all other beliefs are secondary.

His stand is a disgrace, and is also contrary to the official teaching of the church, which compels immigrants to OBEY THE LAWS of their host countries.

Mahoney can say whatever he wants, but he speaks only on his own authority, not that of the Church. Unfortunately, people who don't understand that assume his positions hold weight.


34 posted on 09/28/2006 7:38:45 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: RKV

"The Cardinal being a cardinal means nothing to me?"

that's obvious


now can we get back to the subject of the thread

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

you may disagree with Mahoney's position but I think we can all do it in a civil manner without calling the man every name in the book but a Catholic priest!
gezzzzzzzzzzzz...


35 posted on 09/28/2006 7:39:31 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

:) believe me, it has a lot with anything, in this case Illegal Immigration, or the children of the world or anything. The left is using the CC - well no, the CC is the Left actually - to use their weight to let Illegal Immigrants in this country. My job is to remind people that the CC, lost their high moral ground and therefore their ability to try (force?) to pressure our legislators to allow the status quo (all illegals welcome).


36 posted on 09/28/2006 7:44:49 AM PDT by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: Graymatter

I'm not your "nanny", genius and if and when you have the stones to insult me to my face; you be sure and let me know.
I won't be holding my breath.

"You brought it up, not me. Read the context of your own opening post?"

If you actually READ the article, you would know that my first post were not my words but words from the article.
That's why the words are in quotations, genius. LOL

Now take your insults elsewhere, they are neither appreciated or needed.
gezzzzzzzz....


37 posted on 09/28/2006 7:49:59 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Mexico needs to solve Mexico's problems instead of dumping them on our back porch! And the sooner the Mexicans realize that, the better. In the meantime, lets get that fence/wall or whatever they're going to build...built!

And while we're at it, let's fence PHONEY Mahony within the walls of his heretical travesty, the Taj Mahony...and not let him out!

38 posted on 09/28/2006 7:59:17 AM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles..." Fr. A. Saenz)
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To: ElPatriota

"...the CC is the Left actually..."

Not really. Look at how many Catholics voted for Bush.

Catholics, especially church going Catholics, are and have been drifting away from the democrats for quite awhile. This is despite the efforts of the many liberal bishops with which we are presently cursed.
A more accurate statement might be ...the Catholic Bishops Conference is the Left actually...
Yes, many of these bishops have pushed the leftest viewpoints on illegal immigration. They have been largely ignored by parishoners, who consider them among the lessor authorities on the subject.


39 posted on 09/28/2006 8:01:11 AM PDT by rogator
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To: kellynla
Mahoney is a man of God and deserves our respect.

No. He has done more to destroy the Catholic faith in Los Angeles and any bishop before him. He is what he is...a heretic "not of God" and deserves NO respect whatsoever.

40 posted on 09/28/2006 8:04:00 AM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles..." Fr. A. Saenz)
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To: ElPatriota

"the CC is the Left actually?"


You need to meet some "practicing" pro-life Catholics, learn more about Catholicism, the Catholic Church, Catholics and our Pope. We and they are NOT the "Left!" Far from it. LOL

but, can we get back to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION...pullllllezzzzz


41 posted on 09/28/2006 8:06:55 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Cardinal Mahony is functioning in the same manner as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Mahony has total contempt for the USA.

Why doesn't Cardinal Mahony go to Venezuela with Hugo Chavez?


42 posted on 09/28/2006 8:13:45 AM PDT by petkus
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To: kellynla; rogator; ElPatriota; bboop; montag813; spectre
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church. One which Mahony does not follow. This is what's relevent to this thread topic:

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church.

43 posted on 09/28/2006 8:16:21 AM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles..." Fr. A. Saenz)
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To: kellynla
Ok, I will be very sincere here, just one questions: IF the Catholics - the actual people who observe the rules, confess and take communion, (the good ones! :) - would have been more indignant... if they would have raised their voices in outrage to the abuses of the.. whatever... don't you think that the high officers (Cardinals, bishops, whatever) of the church would responded in a more transparent fashion?

I mean, just on the issue of abortion... why would a GOOD Catholic vote for a Democrat? If Catholics were sincere.. they should have moved to the right a long time ago.. including the bishops. If they had, then, perhaps, I would me more inclined to listen to their voices on the Immigration.. perhaps.

As I see it, the CC is just "lying low" for now, hoping we all forget the abuses etc... well, i WILL NOT FORGET IT. Ok, I am done for the day. Have to work :)

44 posted on 09/28/2006 8:19:20 AM PDT by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: kstewskis

Thanks for the post, the reference & the link.

As you probably know, I differ with Cardinal Mahoney on this issue.

And I will email him your reference.

Semper Fi,
Kelly


45 posted on 09/28/2006 8:22:01 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
We all, as Catholics, non Catholics, whomever...strongly differ with Mahony with his stance on immigration (and I'll not bring the other issues in here). What he is doing is distorting the teachings of the Catholic Church (let alone, our laws...that's why I sited this link). He is crossing the line.

He is fully aware of that paragraph I linked here. If he, or one of his "spokespersons" gives you the time of day and spin some type of response to you, please post it.

We all could use a laugh. And then, it will also illustrate what else L.A. has to fight against.

All the best to you,

46 posted on 09/28/2006 8:30:08 AM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles..." Fr. A. Saenz)
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To: kellynla

I'm Catholic but Mahoney has single handedly turned me off to the church I have been with for more than 50 years. I hope enough people protest the Cardinal so Rome will muzzle him. Transfer him to Mexico. The bottom line is, follow the $$$.


47 posted on 09/28/2006 8:32:23 AM PDT by SMM48
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To: ElPatriota

You're painting with an awfully broad brush, there, ElPatriota. There are liberal Catholics and conservative Catholics. Bye and large, conservative Catholics are those who actually darken the door, believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and believe in the Church's teachings on the sanctity of human life. Overwhelmingly, they vote Republican. Count me among those.

Then there are the cultural Catholics, who use the Church only for baptisms, weddings and funerals, will tell pollsters they're Catholic, but aren't all that Christian and do not believe the Church's teachings. By and large, they vote Democrat.

You're right that the Church unfortunately lost a great deal of its moral authority over the pedophile priests scandal. There are complicated reasons, not excuses, but reasons why the scandal was not taken seriously for many years at the highest levels of Church. IMO, individual members of the church will be judged by God for their actions, and I wouldn't want to be them when it happens. As an aside, Pope Benedict seems to be taking positive steps to clean out the seminaries and lay down the law.

As for immigration, there is no "one Catholic voice" on the subject, just as there is no "one Protestant voice." By and large, conservative Catholics oppose illegal immigration and liberal Catholics do not. That is more a result of where they stand politically than where they sit on Sunday morning.


48 posted on 09/28/2006 8:39:49 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: kellynla

Mahoney's family were slaveho-- I mean, employers of illegal aliens.


49 posted on 09/28/2006 8:48:16 AM PDT by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: ElPatriota
"if they would have raised their voices in outrage to the abuses?"

First, "if" is the biggest word in the dictionary.

The Church made an honest mistake originally in dealing with the priests who were abusing children.
The Church was told by psychologists that these priests could be treated, "cured." and transferred to other parishes. The psychologists and the Church were wrong.
And priests have since been removed and reparations to those who were abused made. Of course, we all know that no reparation can make up for the wrongs perpetrated on those children.

But if you think so little of the Catholic Church and Catholics that you believe we purposely allowed priests to abuse OUR OWN CHILDREN then I am sorry.You are just DEAD WRONG! Once the Catholic laity learned of the abuse and the failure of the priests' psychological treatment; the priests were removed and turned over to the authorities for criminal justice. Now if you want to continue to hijack this ILLEGAL ALIENS thread with your anti-Catholic posts; then do so without posting to me.


Now about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!
50 posted on 09/28/2006 8:57:51 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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