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VIRTUAL KILL: The Chris Wallace-bill clinton Interview Deconstructed
FoxNews, CBS | 9.29.06 | Mia T

Posted on 09/29/2006 6:35:08 PM PDT by Mia T

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To: AZLiberty

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61 posted on 09/30/2006 9:03:51 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

re: "citizen politician"

In addition to identifying a threat/problem (domestic enemies), you offer a solution.

Excelsior!


62 posted on 09/30/2006 9:05:02 AM PDT by PGalt (Run Mia Run!)
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To: Mia T

Also the syntax seems strangely strained.

Most presidents, even this one in a less controversial setting, seemingly would have said something along the lines of

"We attempted to get/eliminate/neutralize or even 'kill' Bin Laden on a number of occasions."

or,

"I authorized the CIA/military etc, to Kill Bin Laden"

"I made the decision that we should do everything we could to eliminate him"

while, the highly personal,

"I tried to kill him." seems unnatural, re-hearsed, and not reflective of how government even works.

The repeated phrase, 'I tried to kill him' along with the other demeanor features displayed, seem typical of the feigned passionate sincerity that psychopaths typically use to substitute for honest feeling which is an emotional state they are incapable of producing/experiencing.

Also, "I tried to kill him" is almost instinctively a statement/sentence structure any normal person would avoid since, expressed in that form, it tramples on basic moral taboos. Here, it is as if Clinton is trying to convey the impression the attempt was undertaken bare handed.

Indeed he responds like a man whose masculinity has been put at issue, not like a former president who has been asked if his administration "did enough" in response to what turned out to be a growing and very serious problem.

I recall Clinton on one occasion defending his administration on a financial/economic issue... he kept repeated "I never worked so hard in my life as we have on this issue". Of course that too was nonesense, but it shows consistency in the aspect of personalizing effort made in defense of criticsm.

Among other things it suggests that to Bill Clinton, the experience of being President was an entirely singular one. i.e. all about Bill.

I dont think they could have focus grouped this one. In the abstract the phrase is so different than when delivered in person by Clinton in his rehearsed but actually unhinged state. Whatever was polled would be unreliable.

This is pure Huey LOng instinctual self defense. I tried to kill that man, only my enemies could possibly be behind the lies that I didnt do enough.

Here, you have shown that he all but and quite possibly did, actively try to prevent Bin Laden from being killed, as it interferred with his quest for world popularity. This is consistent with the Miniter, Morris, Patterson, Mylroie observations of what was going on, and indeed even some of Clarke's. I think you are onto something important.

A final note. The 9/11 comm report -- the extent to which the report, to the extent it actually addresses relevant facts on the roots of 9/11, uses the most distorted, deceptive and exonerating language is profoundly disturbing. Much like Clinton, one senses in comparing their descriptions of events, that they had as a primary goal, obfuscation of any meaningful evidence with which they were confronted. Facts have been laundered into conclusions. Opinions substituted for summaries. Its as phoney as the typical Environmental Impact Report of a corrupt developer (usually the County government).

Again, I think you are onto something quite important.


63 posted on 09/30/2006 9:06:23 AM PDT by Gail Wynand
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To: Mia T

Mia, you are brilliant.

Please keep this up!


64 posted on 09/30/2006 9:17:27 AM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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To: Gail Wynand
Just a quick point for now. Will continue later.

It is self-evident that clinton failed. So clinton admits "I tried to kill him and I failed" because that is, by far, the best case scenario.

He does this to cover up the truly unpardonable failures:

  1. that he willfully failed to nail bin Laden for self-serving reasons.

  2. that he lacked the courage to nail bin Laden

  3. that he lacked the analytic ability to truly understand that war with terrorists "doesn't depend on what the meaning of the word 'war' is," that asymmetric warfare requires only one consenting player.

65 posted on 09/30/2006 9:23:50 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

"At the time, '96, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America."

This is the lie that bugs me most!
Bin Laden was indicted in the '93 attack on the WTC and Clinton could have used that indictment to bring him to the U.S. for prosecution.


66 posted on 09/30/2006 9:38:22 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Mia T; Dog; Marine_Uncle; Coop; Cap Huff
that asymmetric warfare requires only one consenting player.

That is a statement that I have not seen expressed quite that way....I think we ought to use it more often....

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Googling around :

Back to the Future with Asymmetric Warfare

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67 posted on 09/30/2006 9:58:03 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
that asymmetric warfare requires only one consenting player.--me

That is a statement that I have not seen expressed quite that way....I think we ought to use it more often.--Ernest_at_the_Beach


My inspiration for that phrase was clinton's deconstructionist logic generally...
and, of course, "It all depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" in particular.
bill clinton thought he could define away asymmetric warfare.
(Under all that puff is a small man with a small mind.)

Used the phrase here.

WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?


by Mia T, 8.18.05


thanx to jla and Wolverine for the audio






hy did bill clinton ignore terrorism? Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?

To understand why clinton failed so utterly to protect America from bin Laden, we begin by examining what clinton, himself, has said on the matter:

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in '91 and he went to the Sudan.

We'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him [bin Laden].

At the time, '96, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have; but they thought it was a hot potato. They didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."

bill clinton
Sunday, Aug. 11, 2002
Clinton Reveals on Secret Audio:
I Nixed Bin Laden Extradition Offer

We note first that this is classic clinton snake oil, exploiting liberal credulousness and the gestalt concepts of structural economy and closure (the tendency to perceive incomplete forms as complete), sleight of hand that enabled clinton to tell the story of his utter failure to fight terrorism, his failure to take bin Laden from Sudan, his repeated failures to decapitate a nascent, still stoppable al Qaeda, without explicitly admitting it.

"The Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again; [so] they released him [to America]."

Note that the linkage between the above two sentences and the indirect object of the second sentence are each implied, giving clinton plausible deniability.

"[H]e had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America."

This position is surprising because:

  1. clinton has never been one to let the rule of law get in his way.
  2. We now know the State Department warned clinton in July 1996 that bin Laden's move to Afghanistan would give him an even more dangerous haven, that bin Laden sought to expand radical Islam "well beyond the Middle East," that bin Laden in Afghanistan "could prove more dangerous to US interests... almost worldwide."
  3. Bin Laden had repeatedly declared war on America, committed acts of war against America.

Clearly, the impeached ex-president treated terrorism not as war but as a law enforcement problem, which, by definition is defensive, after-the-fact and fatally-too-late.

He appears not to understand that when terrorists declare war on you…and then proceed to kill you… you are, perforce, at war. At that point, you really have only one decision to make: Do you fight the terrorists… or do you surrender?

Critical to the understanding of the clintons' (and the left's) inability to protect America from terrorism is the analysis of clinton's final phrase, "though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America."

"I did not bring him [Osama bin Laden] here... though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America."

This phrase is clinton's explicit rejection of both bin Laden's repeated declarations/acts of war and the (Bush) doctrine of preemption to fight terror.

This phrase underscores clinton's failure to understand that:

  • a terrorist war requires only one consenting player
  • the War on Terror is global and irreducible, the Left's postmodern posture notwithstanding.
  • defining bin Laden's acts of war as "crimes'' is a dangerous, anachronistic, postmodern conceit (It doesn't depend on what the meaning of the word "war" is) and amounts to surrender
  • preemptive action, and even more so, preventative action, serve a necessary, critically protective, as well as offensive function in any war on terror.

The sorry endpoint of this massive, 8-year clinton blunder was, of course, 9/11 and the exponential growth of al Qaeda.

"So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have; but they thought it was a hot potato."

Finally, this last paragraph documents the clinton propensity for passing the tough problems (and the buck) to others (while arrogating their solutions as his own). It would have been a simple matter for him to take bin Laden. Why did he turn the offer down?

The answer to this question is the answer to the overarching question.


Why did clinton ignore terrorism?

Richard Miniter's account of clinton's utter failure to combat terrorism provides a clue. (C-SPAN interview and LOSING BIN LADEN: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror)

The answer was inadvertently if somewhat obliquely provided by Madeleine Albright at the cabinet meeting that would decide the disposition of the USS Cole bombing by al Qaeda [that is to say, that would decide to do what it had always done when a "bimbo" was not spilling the beans on the clintons: Nothing]. Only Clarke wanted to retaliate militarily for this unambiguous act of war.

According to Albright, a [sham] Mideast accord would yield [if not peace for the principals, surely] a Nobel Peace Prize for clinton. Kill or capture bin Laden and clinton could kiss the accord and the Peace Prize good-bye.

WASHINGTON -- Two Norwegian public-relations executives and one member of the Norwegian Parliament say they were contacted by the White House to help campaign for President Clinton to receive this year's Nobel Peace Prize for his work in trying to negotiate peace in the Middle East.

Clinton Lobbies for Nobel Prize: What a Punk
White House Lobbied For Clinton Nobel Peace Prize Updated
Friday, October 13, 2000
By Rita Cosby

 

 

 

There's been speculation in the last few months that Clinton was pursuing a Mideast peace accord in an effort to win the prize and secure his legacy as president.

AIDES PUSH CLINTON FOR THE NOBEL

 

 

 
At the time, clinton observed: "I made more progress in the Middle East than I did between Socks and Buddy." Retrospectively, it is clear that clinton's characterization was not correct.

Mia T, Buddy Death Report Raises More Questions Than It Answers

 


Pathologic self-interest (Nobel Gas)

If clinton liberalism, smallness, cowardice, corruption, perfidy--and, to borrow a phrase from Andrew Cuomo, clinton cluelessness--played a part, it was, in the end, the Nobel Peace Prize that produced the puerile pertinacity that enabled the clintons to shrug off terrorism's global danger.

The clintons made their decision not to go after the terrorists for reasons of their own legacy and power. The clintons reasoned that inaction would MAXIMIZE THEIR CHANCES TO RECEIVE THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE. No matter that the inaction would also maximize the terrorists' power, maximize America's danger

ASIDE: There was an analogous treasonous miscalculation in the clintons' mass proliferation of weapons-of-mass-destruction technology.

For more than a half decade, the Clinton administration was shoveling atomic secrets out the door as fast as it could, literally by the ton. Millions of previously classified ideas and documents relating to nuclear arms were released to all comers, including China's bomb makers.

William J. Broad
Spying Isn't the Only Way to Learn About Nukes,
The New York Times, May 30, 1999

Broad would have us believe we are watching "Being There" and not "The Manchurian Candidate." His argument is superficially appealing as most reasonable people would conclude that it requires the simplemindedness of a Chauncy Gardener (in "Being There") to reason that instructing China and a motley assortment of terrorist nations on how to beef up their atom bombs and how not to omit the "key steps" when building hydrogen bombs would somehow blunt and not stimulate their appetites for bigger and better bombs and a higher position in the power food chain.

But it is Broad's failure to fully connect the dots -- clinton's wholesale release of atomic secrets, decades of Chinese money sluicing into clinton's campaigns, clinton's pushing of the test ban treaty, clinton's concomitant sale of supercomputers, and clinton's noxious legacy -- that blows his argument to smithereens and reduces his piece to just another clinton apologia by The New York Times.

But even a Times apologia cannot save clinton from the gallows. Clinton can be both an absolute (albeit postmodern) moron and a traitor. The strict liability Gump-ism, "Treason is as treason does" applies.

The idea that an individual can be convicted of the crime of treason only if there is treasonous intent or *mens rea* runs contrary to the concept of strict liability crimes. That doctrine (Park v United States, (1974) 421 US 658,668) established the principle of 'strict liability' or 'liability without fault' in certain criminal cases, usually involving crimes which endanger the public welfare.

Calling his position on the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty "an historic milestone," (if he must say so himself) clinton believed that if he could get China to sign it, he would go down in history as the savior of mankind. This was 11 August 1995.

Mia T, 2.11.04
BUSH, THE CLINTONS + WMD PROLIFERATION:
The
REAL "Imminent Threat"


HIROSHIMA'S NUCLEAR LESSON
bill clinton is no Harry Truman



HILLARY GOES NUCLEAR
PROLIFERATION IN THE AGE OF CLINTON

 

 

"PAPER TIGER"

Feckless clinton inaction and feckless clinton action serve only to reinforce the almost universally held notion: the clinton calculus was, is, and always will be, solely self-serving.

It is the clintons' bin-Laden-emboldening inaction to the attack on the USS Cole and the clintons' bin-Laden-emboldening token, ineffectual, August 1998 missile strikes of aspirin factories and empty tents that eliminate "bin-Laden-emboldenment avoidance" as the rationale for the latter decision and support "wag the dog," instead.

In the case of the non-response to the attack on the Cole, an unambiguous act of war, the clinton rationale was a clinton Nobel Peace Prize by Arab appeasement. i.e., a clinton Nobel Peace Prize by bin-Laden-emboldenment.

And in the case of the curiously-timed, ineffectual (and, therefore, bin-Laden-emboldening) token missile strikes, the clinton rationale was Lewinsky-recantation distraction -- clearly not bin-Laden-emboldenment avoidance. (This is not to say there wasn't a Nobel factor here, too. Obsolete intelligence, bolstered by the redundancy of a clinton tipoff, ensured that both bin Laden and the Mideast Muslim ego would escape unscathed.)

"I remember exactly what happened. Bruce Lindsey said to me on the phone, 'My God, a second plane has hit the tower.' And I said, 'Bin Laden did this.' that's the first thing I said. He said, 'How can you be sure?' I said 'Because only bin Laden and the Iranians could set up the network to do this and they [the Iranians] wouldn't do it because they have a country in targets. Bin Laden did it.'

I thought that my virtual obsession with him was well placed and I was full of regret that I didn't get him."

bill clinton
Sunday, Sept 3, 2002
Larry King Live


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68 posted on 09/30/2006 11:00:37 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: bannie

;)

thanks, bannie.


69 posted on 09/30/2006 11:14:52 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: PGalt

:)


70 posted on 09/30/2006 11:16:22 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: UWSrepublican

ping


71 posted on 09/30/2006 11:39:09 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Gail Wynand

Your points about the syntax are very interesting. Will try to weigh in later today.

One comment: I think that is the only way clinton talks, i.e., he uses the pronoun "I" when he wants to arrogate the achievements of others as his own, and "they" when he wants to blame others for his failures. In the gray areas, he uses "we."


72 posted on 09/30/2006 12:40:30 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Gail Wynand

That is why, on the surface, it is a bit surprising that he stated flatly, "I failed."

But as I pointed out above, (1) that he failed is self-evident so he is offering nothing new and (2) the admission, "I tried to kill bin Laden and I failed" is the most innocuous explanation of the failure. He and his wife will never survive the real reasons for that failure.

This admission is against type and should rouse the suspicion of every investigative reporter that there is something bigger here. But it won't.


73 posted on 09/30/2006 12:56:30 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: joanie-f

ping


74 posted on 09/30/2006 12:57:55 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: UWSrepublican

fyi


75 posted on 09/30/2006 1:14:26 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T; HAL9000

".the only idea clinton was promoting during the interview"

The clinton's do nothing without a purpose - going on Fox, well, a big donation was given to hillary and that was my first conculusion. Payback time! And promoting Richard Clark's book. Very strange!!!

I can't beleive bc would go on Fox without first knowing the questions. And if I stick with that thought ... well ... then his finger pointing and purple face is just a distraction from what he does not want America to start to wonder about.

clinton is supposed to be hot under the collar for the 9/11 mini series - what is he really upset about the series. What distraction is he trying to make.

What caught my attention, was :

1. "Afghan opposition commander Ahmad Shah Masood was wounded Sunday in northern Afghanistan when a bomb concealed in a video camera went off while he was being interviewed by a group of journalists, a source at the Afghan embassy in Dushanbe told AFP". ...... Masood, (also Massood, Masuua, Mahmood) was again brought to the attention of the American people. Masood was actually attacked by terrorist on 9/9/01 and may have died 9/10
just day before World Trade Center 9/11

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/519398/posts

Afghanistan - Opposition's military chief Ahmed Shah Massood injured in bomb explosion
Associated Press | September 9, 2001 | KATHY GANNON

Posted on 09/09/2001 12:34:59 PM PDT by HAL9000

and, a big AND....

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

the man who knew

This is the ---- John O'Neill Story

#2. John O'Neill ... I had to google O'Neill during the mini - I knew of John O'Neill of Swift Boat, but this John O'Neill was FBI and it turns out VERY vocal and VERY concerned about terrorism around the world -- He made noises!!!!! and rubbed people the wrong way yet a very likable man. And very very intelligent and he could not get the ear of the then President bill clinton. Then there is the July 2000 stolen briefcase (this is still under clinton adm). An intresting story in itself and his
leaving the FBI and going to work at the Trade Center.

John O'Neill was in the second tower and killed when the second plane crashed into the WTC. .

Back to clinton -- why is he really so upset!! he knows the DBM will never report on what he did or did not do, won't touch him with a ten foot pole. Yet the DBM will play and replay the BUSH KNEW!, BUSH DID IT,! BUSH PLANNED THE WTC BOMPINGS!

So why is clinton really so upset ... it has started to make me wonder ....








76 posted on 09/30/2006 2:01:15 PM PDT by malia (President Bush - a man of honor!! clinton as President a man of horror)
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To: backhoe

ping


77 posted on 09/30/2006 2:40:19 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

Well done.


78 posted on 09/30/2006 3:36:02 PM PDT by Beowulf
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To: Mia T
Giuliani said he believed Clinton, like his successor, did everything he could with the information he was provided.

"Every American president I've known would have given his life to prevent an attack like that. That includes President Clinton, President Bush," the former mayor said outside a firehouse here. "They did the best they could with the information they had at the time." --September 27, 2006

Giuliani's remarks absolve Clinton from what your posts quite obviously indict him for. Is Giuliani right or is he wrong? And do you still think Giuliani the best candidate for POTUS?

79 posted on 09/30/2006 3:44:05 PM PDT by jla
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To: Mia T

Good work, Mia T- I'll pass it along to the usual suspects in 'netland.


80 posted on 09/30/2006 4:39:02 PM PDT by backhoe
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