Posted on 09/29/2006 6:35:08 PM PDT by Mia T
ping
re: "citizen politician"
In addition to identifying a threat/problem (domestic enemies), you offer a solution.
Excelsior!
Also the syntax seems strangely strained.
Most presidents, even this one in a less controversial setting, seemingly would have said something along the lines of
"We attempted to get/eliminate/neutralize or even 'kill' Bin Laden on a number of occasions."
or,
"I authorized the CIA/military etc, to Kill Bin Laden"
"I made the decision that we should do everything we could to eliminate him"
while, the highly personal,
"I tried to kill him." seems unnatural, re-hearsed, and not reflective of how government even works.
The repeated phrase, 'I tried to kill him' along with the other demeanor features displayed, seem typical of the feigned passionate sincerity that psychopaths typically use to substitute for honest feeling which is an emotional state they are incapable of producing/experiencing.
Also, "I tried to kill him" is almost instinctively a statement/sentence structure any normal person would avoid since, expressed in that form, it tramples on basic moral taboos. Here, it is as if Clinton is trying to convey the impression the attempt was undertaken bare handed.
Indeed he responds like a man whose masculinity has been put at issue, not like a former president who has been asked if his administration "did enough" in response to what turned out to be a growing and very serious problem.
I recall Clinton on one occasion defending his administration on a financial/economic issue... he kept repeated "I never worked so hard in my life as we have on this issue". Of course that too was nonesense, but it shows consistency in the aspect of personalizing effort made in defense of criticsm.
Among other things it suggests that to Bill Clinton, the experience of being President was an entirely singular one. i.e. all about Bill.
I dont think they could have focus grouped this one. In the abstract the phrase is so different than when delivered in person by Clinton in his rehearsed but actually unhinged state. Whatever was polled would be unreliable.
This is pure Huey LOng instinctual self defense. I tried to kill that man, only my enemies could possibly be behind the lies that I didnt do enough.
Here, you have shown that he all but and quite possibly did, actively try to prevent Bin Laden from being killed, as it interferred with his quest for world popularity. This is consistent with the Miniter, Morris, Patterson, Mylroie observations of what was going on, and indeed even some of Clarke's. I think you are onto something important.
A final note. The 9/11 comm report -- the extent to which the report, to the extent it actually addresses relevant facts on the roots of 9/11, uses the most distorted, deceptive and exonerating language is profoundly disturbing. Much like Clinton, one senses in comparing their descriptions of events, that they had as a primary goal, obfuscation of any meaningful evidence with which they were confronted. Facts have been laundered into conclusions. Opinions substituted for summaries. Its as phoney as the typical Environmental Impact Report of a corrupt developer (usually the County government).
Again, I think you are onto something quite important.
Mia, you are brilliant.
Please keep this up!
It is self-evident that clinton failed. So clinton admits "I tried to kill him and I failed" because that is, by far, the best case scenario.
He does this to cover up the truly unpardonable failures:
"At the time, '96, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America."
This is the lie that bugs me most!
Bin Laden was indicted in the '93 attack on the WTC and Clinton could have used that indictment to bring him to the U.S. for prosecution.
That is a statement that I have not seen expressed quite that way....I think we ought to use it more often....
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Googling around :
Back to the Future with Asymmetric Warfare
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that asymmetric warfare requires only one consenting player.--meThat is a statement that I have not seen expressed quite that way....I think we ought to use it more often.--Ernest_at_the_Beach
My inspiration for that phrase was clinton's deconstructionist logic generally...
and, of course, "It all depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" in particular.
bill clinton thought he could define away asymmetric warfare.
(Under all that puff is a small man with a small mind.)
Used the phrase here.
by Mia T, 8.18.05
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thanks, bannie.
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ping
Your points about the syntax are very interesting. Will try to weigh in later today.
One comment: I think that is the only way clinton talks, i.e., he uses the pronoun "I" when he wants to arrogate the achievements of others as his own, and "they" when he wants to blame others for his failures. In the gray areas, he uses "we."
That is why, on the surface, it is a bit surprising that he stated flatly, "I failed."
But as I pointed out above, (1) that he failed is self-evident so he is offering nothing new and (2) the admission, "I tried to kill bin Laden and I failed" is the most innocuous explanation of the failure. He and his wife will never survive the real reasons for that failure.
This admission is against type and should rouse the suspicion of every investigative reporter that there is something bigger here. But it won't.
ping
fyi
".the only idea clinton was promoting during the interview"
The clinton's do nothing without a purpose - going on Fox, well, a big donation was given to hillary and that was my first conculusion. Payback time! And promoting Richard Clark's book. Very strange!!!
I can't beleive bc would go on Fox without first knowing the questions. And if I stick with that thought ... well ... then his finger pointing and purple face is just a distraction from what he does not want America to start to wonder about.
clinton is supposed to be hot under the collar for the 9/11 mini series - what is he really upset about the series. What distraction is he trying to make.
What caught my attention, was :
1. "Afghan opposition commander Ahmad Shah Masood was wounded Sunday in northern Afghanistan when a bomb concealed in a video camera went off while he was being interviewed by a group of journalists, a source at the Afghan embassy in Dushanbe told AFP". ...... Masood, (also Massood, Masuua, Mahmood) was again brought to the attention of the American people. Masood was actually attacked by terrorist on 9/9/01 and may have died 9/10
just day before World Trade Center 9/11
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/519398/posts
Afghanistan - Opposition's military chief Ahmed Shah Massood injured in bomb explosion
Associated Press | September 9, 2001 | KATHY GANNON
Posted on 09/09/2001 12:34:59 PM PDT by HAL9000
and, a big AND....
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
the man who knew
This is the ---- John O'Neill Story
#2. John O'Neill ... I had to google O'Neill during the mini - I knew of John O'Neill of Swift Boat, but this John O'Neill was FBI and it turns out VERY vocal and VERY concerned about terrorism around the world -- He made noises!!!!! and rubbed people the wrong way yet a very likable man. And very very intelligent and he could not get the ear of the then President bill clinton. Then there is the July 2000 stolen briefcase (this is still under clinton adm). An intresting story in itself and his
leaving the FBI and going to work at the Trade Center.
John O'Neill was in the second tower and killed when the second plane crashed into the WTC. .
Back to clinton -- why is he really so upset!! he knows the DBM will never report on what he did or did not do, won't touch him with a ten foot pole. Yet the DBM will play and replay the BUSH KNEW!, BUSH DID IT,! BUSH PLANNED THE WTC BOMPINGS!
So why is clinton really so upset ... it has started to make me wonder ....
ping
Well done.
"Every American president I've known would have given his life to prevent an attack like that. That includes President Clinton, President Bush," the former mayor said outside a firehouse here. "They did the best they could with the information they had at the time." --September 27, 2006
Giuliani's remarks absolve Clinton from what your posts quite obviously indict him for. Is Giuliani right or is he wrong? And do you still think Giuliani the best candidate for POTUS?
Good work, Mia T- I'll pass it along to the usual suspects in 'netland.
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