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G.O.P. Leaders Knew in Late 05 of E-Mail
new york times ^ | 10/1/06 | RAYMOND HERNANDEZ

Posted on 09/30/2006 6:33:09 PM PDT by mathprof

Top House Republicans knew for months about e-mail traffic between Representative Mark Foley and a former teenage page, but kept the matter secret and allowed Mr. Foley to remain head of a Congressional caucus on children’s issues, Republican lawmakers said Saturday.

The exchanges began with what Republicans now describe as an “overfriendly” e-mail message from Mr. Foley to the unidentified teenager. But news reports about the exchanges have led to the disclosure of e-mail correspondence with other former pages in which the discussions became more and more sexually explicit. Shortly after he was confronted by ABC News on Friday about the subject, Mr. Foley, who represented a south Florida district, resigned from the House.

The revelations set off a political upheaval, with Democrats and some Republicans alike calling for a full investigation of Mr. Foley’s conduct and whether House leaders did enough to look into it. Members of the Republican leadership sought Saturday to detail how they had handled the case in an effort to defuse the matter, even as it was emerging as an issue in Congressional races.

Among those who became aware of the communication in the fall of 2005 between Mr. Foley and the 16-year-old page, who worked for Representative Rodney Alexander, Republican of Louisiana, were Representative John A. Boehner, the majority leader, and Representative Thomas M. Reynolds of New York, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee. Mr. Reynolds said in a statement Saturday that he had also personally raised the issue with Speaker J. Dennis Hastert earlier this year.

“Despite the fact that I had not seen the e-mails in question, and Mr. Alexander told me that the parents didn’t want the matter pursued, I told the speaker of the conversation Mr. Alexander had with me,” Mr. Reynolds said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alexander; fagadrama; foley; gayagenda; gopfagbadratfagsgood; hastert; houseleadership; logcabinrepublicans; markfoley
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Taylor Jones/Associated Press

Tim Mahoney, the Democratic opponent

of Mark Foley, at a campaign event with

Senator John Kerry on Saturday.

1 posted on 09/30/2006 6:33:10 PM PDT by mathprof
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To: mathprof

So the message is the Dems are strong against gays and weak against terrorists. Works for me.


2 posted on 09/30/2006 6:34:34 PM PDT by frankjr
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To: mathprof

Best enjoyed with a large serving of Crow for all those who defended this pervert.


3 posted on 09/30/2006 6:36:27 PM PDT by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: mathprof

Oh man. Politics has now come down to deciding between Sodom or Gomorrah. If God doesn't do something about the radical immorality in this nation, He's going to have to apologize to those two cities.


4 posted on 09/30/2006 6:37:08 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: mathprof

Hindsight is always 20/20.


5 posted on 09/30/2006 6:38:11 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: mathprof


Hastert must resign


6 posted on 09/30/2006 6:40:37 PM PDT by Homer1
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To: mathprof

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1711372/posts


7 posted on 09/30/2006 6:41:16 PM PDT by socal_parrot (Chicks dig me.)
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To: Homer1

"Hastert must resign"

For what?


8 posted on 09/30/2006 6:42:04 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: mathprof
Top House Republicans knew for months about e-mail traffic between Representative Mark Foley and a former teenage page

Sounds like those 'Top House Republicans' need unemployment.
9 posted on 09/30/2006 6:42:18 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: mathprof

Just as Democrats love humanity in the abstract, but loathe actual people, so they are all for homosexuals until the fit hits the shan, then they fingerpoint and yell "Fag!".


10 posted on 09/30/2006 6:46:03 PM PDT by metesky (My investment program is holding steady @ .05 a can.)
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To: Homer1

You left off the sarcasm tag.


11 posted on 09/30/2006 6:46:34 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: mathprof
The revelations set off a political upheaval, with Democrats and some Republicans alike calling for a full investigation of Mr. Foley’s conduct and whether House leaders did enough to look into it.

Will the Dims condemn or congratulate Foley?

12 posted on 09/30/2006 6:47:03 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: Phsstpok; OldFriend; Morgan in Denver; Bahbah; MNJohnnie; Mo1

Ping


13 posted on 09/30/2006 6:47:08 PM PDT by Txsleuth (,((((((((ISRAEL)))))) Pray for the release of the Israelis.)
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To: marajade
"Hastert must resign"

For what?

Anyone that knew about this dirtbag and didn't take appropriate action needs to go - if Hastert knew he needs to go.

14 posted on 09/30/2006 6:47:22 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: mathprof

Well, I've got no problem with letting the truth come out, and letting the chips fall where they may.

If some people knew something illegal was going on, and did nothing about it, then they can "wear it".

Also, this appears to be a NYT story. I wonder if its true or made up. No way of knowing.


15 posted on 09/30/2006 6:47:38 PM PDT by Sid Spinach
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To: marajade

for allowing a kiddie fiddler to remain in such a prominent position in the party as the latest of his transgressions...


16 posted on 09/30/2006 6:48:35 PM PDT by Homer1
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To: ExpatCanuck

Again, for what? IMing a 16 year old which is the age of consent in DC.


17 posted on 09/30/2006 6:48:43 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Txsleuth

I'll be more interested when a real newspaper writes about it. The NY Times has little credibility, IMHO.


18 posted on 09/30/2006 6:48:58 PM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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To: tsomer

The DEMS will high five for the next 6 weeks as they "use" this incident to bury the GOP..

The might even try to find this boy...to even further their goal of proving how corrupt the Republicans are..

At least that is what I assume their plans are...


19 posted on 09/30/2006 6:49:11 PM PDT by Txsleuth (,((((((((ISRAEL)))))) Pray for the release of the Israelis.)
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To: Homer1

Did he commit illegalities?


20 posted on 09/30/2006 6:49:15 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: metesky
Just as Democrats love humanity in the abstract, but loathe actual people, so they are all for homosexuals until the fit hits the shan, then they fingerpoint and yell "Fag!".

Sorry - this guy is a dirtbag child predator - doesn't matter if he is Republican or Democrat.

21 posted on 09/30/2006 6:50:39 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: Morgan in Denver

I admit that I feel the same way about the NY Times...

however, just like the Dems are now using Bob Woodward as their foreign policy advisor, because he has written a book about how Bush and gang "conspired" to hide the bad things in Iraq from us...

I have no doubt that the dems will use this NYTimes article as their ethics investigation...all wrapped up in a bow.

After all...you did read in this article that SHAYS (R) is calling for all of the House Rep. Leaders to step down.


22 posted on 09/30/2006 6:52:15 PM PDT by Txsleuth (,((((((((ISRAEL)))))) Pray for the release of the Israelis.)
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To: Homer1

I have been saying that for months Hastert is an albatros.


23 posted on 09/30/2006 6:52:56 PM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs
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To: mathprof
Joey, do you like films about gladiators?


24 posted on 09/30/2006 6:53:51 PM PDT by D-Chivas
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To: ExpatCanuck
Knew what about Foley?

As far as we know, no one knew about the sexually explicit IMs until yesterday.
25 posted on 09/30/2006 6:55:08 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: marajade
Again, for what? IMing a 16 year old which is the age of consent in DC.

Don't know and don't care if 16 is the age of consent in DC - this guy is a pervert. If he was trying to seduce a 13 year old boy in Thailand (where that is the age of consent), would that be okay with you?

26 posted on 09/30/2006 6:55:18 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: ExpatCanuck

"Sorry - this guy is a dirtbag child predator - doesn't matter if he is Republican or Democrat."

It's obvious that our political leadership needs a moral cleansing. This incident is disgusting, both in Foley's immoral conduct and the delinquency of other House members in acting to halt it when they were confronted with evidence.

I am conservative as almost anybody out there, but I am feeling totally demoralized about voting in November when I read about this horrible situation in Congress.


27 posted on 09/30/2006 6:55:35 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: YdontUleaveLibs


The final straw for me was really his reaction to the FBI searching Jefferson's office. This is just another huge log on the fire.


28 posted on 09/30/2006 6:55:46 PM PDT by Homer1
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To: ExpatCanuck
Well, the truth is coming out.
In the end, he will realize it was not worth it.

Hopefully he has not destroyed his marriage.
Jesus can fix things, if he repents.
He may have consequences to deal with for the rest of his life, but he can be forgiven by GOD, if he repents.

Before anyone goes out there, and throws stones, remember what the Lord said:

"Let him among you without sin cast the first stone".

Well, my rock is dropped on the ground.
GOD loves mercy, and the merciful.

i'm not saying he should be immune to consequences, no.
I'm just saying lets be careful to remember that we shall be judged by GOD, as we judge another.
29 posted on 09/30/2006 6:57:25 PM PDT by Sid Spinach
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To: Sid Spinach
Peter King and Chris Shays were quoted, Shays basically called for resignations.

"If they knew or should have known the extent of this problem, they should not serve in leadership," Mr. Shays said.

30 posted on 09/30/2006 6:57:40 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: ExpatCanuck

He resigned, isn't that enough?


31 posted on 09/30/2006 6:57:42 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

"Again, for what? IMing a 16 year old which is the age of consent in DC."

Don't you suspect that perhaps these IMs are the tip of the iceberg?

As of today, we know about these IMs. Tomorrow, we may be hearing about actual sex/molestation (not cyber-sex), and perhaps even with a 15yo (or perhaps a 16yo in a different jurisdiction such as Florida, Virginia, or Maryland.)

I am just shocked at how many on FR jump to defend this perversion.


32 posted on 09/30/2006 6:58:23 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: frankjr

The repubs should try to turn this around on them by playing the gay card.


33 posted on 09/30/2006 6:58:34 PM PDT by Crooked Constituent
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To: nj26
It's obvious that our political leadership needs a moral cleansing. This incident is disgusting, both in Foley's immoral conduct and the delinquency of other House members in acting to halt it when they were confronted with evidence.

What evidence did they have? Remember, hindsight is 20/20.
34 posted on 09/30/2006 6:58:56 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc
Knew what about Foley?

My understanding is that emails of this nature were known about over a year ago and were reported to the GOP house leadership - that's just what I've read, and could be wrong, but if true, then whoever knew and didn't do anything needs to come clean.

35 posted on 09/30/2006 6:59:14 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: nj26

"Don't you suspect that perhaps these IMs are the tip of the iceberg?"

I don't know anything, do you?


36 posted on 09/30/2006 6:59:15 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

"He resigned, isn't that enough?"

No, it's not enough.

This man belongs IN PRISON.

And any other congressional representatives that looked the other way.. they ought to resign.


37 posted on 09/30/2006 6:59:37 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: nj26

"This man belongs IN PRISON."

Cite the statute.


38 posted on 09/30/2006 7:00:13 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Sid Spinach
Hopefully he has not destroyed his marriage. Jesus can fix things, if he repents. He may have consequences to deal with for the rest of his life, but he can be forgiven by GOD, if he repents.

Congressman Foley is single. There was no marriage to be destroyed.
39 posted on 09/30/2006 7:00:42 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

"What evidence did they have?"

They had the emails for over a year.

You don't find it a bit odd for a 50 year old man to be asking for photos of a 16 year old boy? Particularly if you already knew that man was gay?


40 posted on 09/30/2006 7:00:52 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The 'leadership' is bankrupt.


41 posted on 09/30/2006 7:01:46 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: nj26

Well, those that "looked the other way" pretty much are going to be boxed in.

Look for them to resign, or face some serious trouble themselves, on ethics grounds, not to mention politically.

Psalm 1 is a good place for people in office to read.
If people in office stick to that Psalm, they won't ever get burned.


42 posted on 09/30/2006 7:01:54 PM PDT by Sid Spinach
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To: nj26

Such drama


43 posted on 09/30/2006 7:01:55 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: itsahoot
Best enjoyed with a large serving of Crow for all those who defended this pervert.

Which pervert? I see two. LOL!!

44 posted on 09/30/2006 7:02:48 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: ExpatCanuck

No one saw the disgusting IM's. Just the emails.

Huge differance in the two.


45 posted on 09/30/2006 7:03:11 PM PDT by JRochelle (You can believe what you want, but you can't have your own facts!)
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To: Txsleuth; OldFriend; Morgan in Denver; Bahbah; MNJohnnie; Mo1
Consider the source (New York Times) before you swallow the spin of what they "knew" or when they "knew" anything.

This smacks too much of a planned operation to me. Hearing about something is far removed from knowing that it's true. Don't be stampeded. There are NO facts in evidence that can be tested. No way to judge the motives or reliability of witnesses (if any).

Foley's guilt is not even proved at this time, only implied (strongly) by his own action in resigning and the second hand information being passed on, almost totally anonymously, by the ever reliable drive by media.  Why do we suddenly accept anything they say as gospel because it fits into a salacious pattern? 

I know this may bother some, but I have this nagging thing I call a principle, I actually believe in "innocent until proved guilty," particularly when dealing with accusations against Republicans in the New York Times.  I'm just cynical that way. 

46 posted on 09/30/2006 7:03:12 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: conservative in nyc

Someone told me he was married.

My error, I didn't check.

Not much of him getting arried now.
Only Wacko Jacko can marry for cover, and have people buy it...well...liberal people buy it...


47 posted on 09/30/2006 7:03:15 PM PDT by Sid Spinach
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To: ExpatCanuck
While the e-mails were very creepy, there was nothing sexually explicit in them. Knowing what we know now, it's easy to say GOP leadership should have removed him from office sooner. But we didn't know about the disgusting IMs until yesterday when ABC News broke the story.

No one is defending Foley here. He should have resigned, and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
48 posted on 09/30/2006 7:03:32 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: marajade

First, he was emailing a boy in Florida who was 16. Age of consent in Florida is 18.

Second, when you see one cockroach, there are typically a few hundred behind the wall. I am sure we will be hearing a lot more about Mr. Foley's perversions.


49 posted on 09/30/2006 7:03:43 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: marajade
He resigned, isn't that enough?

Hypothetical situation - if you knew your neighbor was trying to seduce a child and did nothing about it and eventually they got caught, are you completely absolved of any responsibility?

50 posted on 09/30/2006 7:04:02 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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