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Where online predators prowl, volunteers act as bait
Star Ledger ^ | 09.25.06 | J. SCOTT ORR

Posted on 10/05/2006 7:57:11 PM PDT by Coleus

"There is just something about a teen body." Joseph Wunderler was trolling the Internet looking for child sex one night in July 2005 when he typed those words in a private message to 14-year-old "Erin." From there, the 29-year-old Army sergeant from Pennsylvania embarked on an online odyssey that ended three weeks later when he drove to Herndon, Va., to meet his intended victim.

Wunderler started by endearing himself to Erin, whose screen name was sweet-erin78: "I think you look great ... nice to meet you Erin *kisses hand*," he wrote. Slowly, on that first day, he turned the subject to sex. "So are you a thong kind of girl? ... So if I was there ... what else would you want to do?" As the chat log lengthened, so did Wunderler's deviant wish list.

"This one was on a different level than nasty. He really made me sick," said Van De Camp, the 24-year-old Arkansas woman behind the screen name sweet-erin78, who eventually lured Wunderler to Herndon. "When I was chatting with him, I had problems sleeping, he was just so gross." Van De Camp is a member of Perverted Justice, a group of volunteers who spend their free time chatting up pedophiles online, listening to their fantasies and, if possible, luring them to places where they can be arrested. It's a cause they embrace, even when the work extracts an emotional toll.

Perhaps you've seen the deer-in-the-headlights expressions of men like Wunderler when they arrive at so-called "bust houses" to be greeted by television cameras from "Dateline NBC."

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To: Jorge
It's playing a game designed to turn simple temptations which most men experience, into criminal acts.

Are you out of your mind?! Real adult MEN aren't titillated be talking dirty to little prepubescent girls, and no adult MAN would physically go meet some little prepubescent girl in order to commit statutory rape. That's real crime by real pediphiles. No one else is sick enough to even consider doing that.

There's got to be a better way of enforcing law.

There certainly is, summarily execute these rapist pedophiles.

Luring a person into a trap, ESPECIALLY with sexual temptations, just to get them to cross that fine line is the same thing as solicitation in many of these cases.

IT'S NOT A FINE LINE. It is a serious moral and legal crime only the sickest in society are even capable of desiring.

Oh, so you want the death penalty for anybody who has sex with minors under 18 years old?

In the case of little prepubescent children, absolutely.

Guess you want the tongues cut out of those who lie, hands chopped of those who steal, adulterers stoned etc etc.

No, but physical castration would be a close second for these perverts.

You should seek counseling. Seriously.

If you aren't just trolling, you're truly sick. Seriously.

41 posted on 10/06/2006 7:29:45 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
"There's got to be a better way of enforcing law."

There certainly is, summarily execute these rapist pedophiles.

Geez, I wonder who is worse, a pedophile or a sicko who advocates murder of those who commit crimes he is personally offended by the most.

You need to seek counseling.

42 posted on 10/06/2006 7:32:49 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: cryptical

43 posted on 10/06/2006 7:33:12 PM PDT by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
IT'S NOT A FINE LINE. It is a serious moral and legal crime only the sickest in society are even capable of desiring.

I don't even know why I'm responding to you...your posts are so over the top and hysterical.

But let me try to speak some sense to you.

YES it IS a FINE LINE.

The age of consent differs from one society to another and EVEN from one state to the next.

In some states the age of consent is 16...most it is 18.

The idea that all men have an attraction that turns off at 17 and then turns on at 18, otherwise YOU think they are sickos who should be executed is really wacko.

I agree in enforcing the law, but you need serious help.

44 posted on 10/06/2006 7:42:27 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
"Oh, so you want the death penalty for anybody who has sex with minors under 18 years old?"

In the case of little prepubescent children, absolutely.

That wasn't my question. Try answering what I asked you for a change.

Perhaps we should advocate execution for nut cases who advocate execution for issues like these. In which case you are up a creek.

45 posted on 10/06/2006 7:45:29 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: cryptical

And of course, the second most common excuse: I was concerned about them being home alone and that they needed a friend. ugh!


46 posted on 10/06/2006 7:46:52 PM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
"Luring a person into a trap, ESPECIALLY with sexual temptations, just to get them to cross that fine line is the same thing as solicitation in many of these cases."

IT'S NOT A FINE LINE. It is a serious moral and legal crime only the sickest in society are even capable of desiring.

Oh so you could not be the least bit turned on to a beautiful girl who is one month before her 18th birthday. You could not be tempted at all.

It is a fine line.

You must be the most perfect specimen of morality God placed on this earth..or you just don't like girls.

47 posted on 10/06/2006 7:51:28 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Oh so you could not be the least bit turned on to a beautiful girl who is one month before her 18th birthday. You could not be tempted at all.

Did you even read the complete article? It doesn't appear you did because they weren't talking about 17 or 18 year olds.

If you did read the entire article then I would urge you to seek professional help immediately before you end up on Dateline caught in the act.

48 posted on 10/06/2006 7:58:22 PM PDT by Sally'sConcerns
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To: goldstategop
Any one who seeks to have sex with someone old enough to be their own daughter or granddaughter deserves to be removed from society.

We tried that with Clinton and it didn't work.

49 posted on 10/06/2006 8:04:13 PM PDT by Ignatz (Click your mouse three times and repeat, "There's no place like 127.0.0.1")
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To: Ignatz
Monica Lewinsky was a consenting adult. It was an adulterous relationship and it was morally wrong but it wasn't illegal.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

50 posted on 10/06/2006 8:06:16 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jorge

" It's playing a game designed to turn simple temptations which most men experience, into criminal acts.'

Read your own words... most men do not feel a temptation to have sex with children.


51 posted on 10/06/2006 8:27:36 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: antceecee
A good person does not even think of doing evil. It never enters into his thoughts to do a forbidden act.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

52 posted on 10/06/2006 8:30:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Why would a decent person even have to go online to look for sex? They are risking everything by doing this. If they become trapped in a sting c'est la vie!


53 posted on 10/06/2006 8:32:05 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: goldstategop

Not to mention that there seems to be plenty of opportunity in bars and clubs why do they have to go after our kids?


54 posted on 10/06/2006 8:33:51 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: antceecee
If you look for companionship from a fellow consenting adult, that's one thing. If you're looking for it from a child, you need your head seriously examined.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

55 posted on 10/06/2006 8:34:20 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: antceecee
Exactly! They're plenty of wholesome opportunities for lonelyhearts out there. There shouldn't be any thought of seeking out a minor to get fulfilled unless one is attracted to children in the first place. People who seek out children for sex do so since that's their first, second and last choice of a willing partner.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

56 posted on 10/06/2006 8:37:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jorge
You made four separate replies to my one post. I would have responded sooner but I wasn't sure you were done.

Geez, I wonder who is worse, a pedophile or a sicko who advocates murder of those who commit crimes he is personally offended by the most.

Thats easy: THE RAPIST PEDOPHILE IS WORSE

You need to seek counseling.

It must be my lucky day! I just won a free psychoanalysis by someone who is publicly defending pedophilia!

I don't even know why I'm responding to you...your posts are so over the top and hysterical.

And your clearly emerging as a pedophile.

YES it IS a FINE LINE.

Only for a pedophile.

The age of consent differs from one society to another and EVEN from one state to the next.

Adult males who attempt to seduce and statutorily rape prepubescent girls are pedophiles.

The idea that all men have an attraction that turns off at 17 and then turns on at 18, otherwise YOU think they are sickos who should be executed is really wacko.

That's irrelevant to this discussion about your claims of being tempted to commit statutory rape on prepubescent girls.

I agree in enforcing the law, but you need serious help.

Then let's agree to make the law tougher.

That wasn't my question. Try answering what I asked you for a change.

Stay on topic and I will.

Perhaps we should advocate execution for nut cases who advocate execution for issues like these. In which case you are up a creek.

Nah, most people consider those who kill rapist pedophiles to be hero's against a failing judicial system. Luckily, many convicted pedophiles die in prison so this public service isn't required. That's where you would be "up a creek."

Oh so you could not be the least bit turned on to a beautiful girl who is one month before her 18th birthday. You could not be tempted at all.

That's irrelevant to this discussion about your claims of being tempted to commit statutory rape on prepubescent girls.

You must be the most perfect specimen of morality God placed on this earth..or you just don't like girls.

Sorry, only pedophiles like you fantasize about seducing and raping prepubescent girls. If I knew who you were, I'd send you a get well card.

57 posted on 10/06/2006 9:02:45 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: goldstategop

But she was young enough to be his daughter. That was the point I was referring to.


58 posted on 10/06/2006 9:12:34 PM PDT by Ignatz (Click your mouse three times and repeat, "There's no place like 127.0.0.1")
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To: Jorge
Missed it. What was it about?

The next episode will be aired Friday @ 9pm EST.

Prominent men caught in Petaluma sting
The latest 'Predator' investigation uncovers some prominent men caught in what police say are criminal acts. These men risk losing their jobs... and in some cases, perhaps even their freedom
TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News


48-year-old Maurice Wolin is a prominent San Francisco cancer doctor. Also among the men in caught this investigation are military men and professionals from Silicon Valley.

PETALUMA, CALIF. - We set up a house where a young teen is supposed to be home alone. Like moths to a flame, potential sex predators can’t stay away.

That is of course until they see me.

Even though millions of people have seen our series and we’ve caught 150 men, in this latest investigation, our seventh one, we have one of our largest turnouts ever.

29 men show up at this upscale house in Petaluma, California in just three days. We’ve rigged it with hidden cameras—the street, driveway, garage, alley and every inch of the backyard are covered. But our guests have no idea they’re being recorded.

Inside the house, members of the online watchdog group Perverted-Justice are in chat rooms posing as young teens. Dateline has paid the organization a consulting fee. The PJ members are pretending to be 12- and 13-year-olds who are interested in sex and whose parents are away.

If a man in a chat room hits on one of the decoys and proposes sex, he’ll be given the address of this house and invited over.

Dateline hired an 18-year-old actress to play the part of the 12- or 13-year-old home alone...and the men seem happy to see her.

More at - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15130487/

59 posted on 10/07/2006 6:27:43 AM PDT by Libloather (*Bubba & *Hillary - hardly innocent until proven completely guilty...)
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To: Sally'sConcerns
Did you even read the complete article? It doesn't appear you did because they weren't talking about 17 or 18 year olds.

Did you even read my post? I was talking about 17 or 18 year olds.
I never claimed the article did.

If you did read the entire article then I would urge you to seek professional help immediately before you end up on Dateline caught in the act.

Maybe YOU shouldn't make assumptions about people you don't know.

I don't look for relationships online, and I'm not the least bit interested in flirting in chatrooms.

60 posted on 10/07/2006 5:03:36 PM PDT by Jorge
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