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Further unraveling of the Foley case (Pelosi alert!)
The American Thinker ^ | 10/06/2006 | By Clarice Feldman

Posted on 10/06/2006 10:24:34 AM PDT by oxcart

Early this morning on JOM we went through the cached page blog and noticed something interesting. The cached pages we examined indicate that the mother of one of the pages, Robin Katsoros, mother of Christopher Katsoros a former Pelosi page, told the pages she was working on a screen production of the lives of pages. And she gathered information from them. She is a Conyers and Kerry supporter and he is a student at Georgetown now. It looks like the kids were trying to “sex” up their experiences to get her interested. Here are some bits of it. JOM has information on how we worked this out.

Cue Google Input: Over on the July 19, 2005 Randi Rhodes message board there’s this:

Hi. Randi, Ambassador Joe Wilson and Cong John Conyers are all participating in house parties on Saturday to talk about Downing Street and Rovegate. You can find a link to attend or host one of the house parties on therandirhodesshow.com.

More than 200 have already been planned everywhere from Buffalo to San Francisco, Sandpoint, Idaho to Rock Hill, South Carolina. Here’s the full list of house parties planned so far.

Wanna guess who’s on it?

Robin Katsaros 12900 Atherton Ct. Los Altos Hills CA 94022

Posted by: JM Hanes | October 06, 2006 at 12:34 AM

Another poster added this.

... but if you google through, you find she hosts donor parties for Conyers and her son was a congressional page sponsored by guess who? Surprise! Nancy Pelosi. Posted by: anonymous | October 06, 2006 at 12:43 AM

Clarice Feldman 10 06 06


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KEYWORDS: draintheswamp; foley; houseparties; joewilson; josephwilson; nigerflap; pelosi; plamegate; wilson
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To: PghBaldy
Well.. it goes this way. Its not about this Rep or that.. but an ex-rep is just going to be handled through the process. You did the right thing reporting it directly and not posting it here.

The issue folks are concerned about here is whether this current thing is a set up. If you stop someone who might be hurting kids as part of chasing this down, well thats just doing a good thing and move on.

51 posted on 10/06/2006 11:31:10 AM PDT by dalight
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To: eyespysomething
"Like I said, the Democrats are way more much smarter." - Chris Katsaros

Idiot.

52 posted on 10/06/2006 11:31:36 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: codercpc; PghBaldy; Grampa Dave; Sam Hill; Howlin; Mo1; Miss Marple; nopardons; NormsRevenge; ...
Yes we must be selective....David Corn is:

David Corn Has A List Of Names...

************************88AN EXCERPT *******************************

October 04, 2006

David Corn Has A List Of Names...

David Corn disgraces the left by channeling Joe McCarthy as he explains that the left will only stand up for the privacy rights of their allies:

There's a list going around. Those disseminating it call it "The List." It's a roster of top-level Republican congressional aides who are gay.

...I have a copy. I'm not going to publish it. For one, I don't know for a fact that the men on the list are gay. And generally I don't fancy outing people--though I have not objected when others have outed gay Republicans, who, after all, work for a party that tries to limit the rights of gays and lesbians and that welcomes the support of those who demonize same-sexers.

Mr. Corn's position on outing Republicans is clear enough but he does not explicitly state a position on the merits of outing gay Democrats.  However - if he had any journalistic integrity at all he would have to be opposed to "stealth advocacy".  A black man arguing for "black" issues does not need to separately declare his personal stake in the discussion, nor does a woman discussing "women's issues".

But surely Mr. Corn agrees that it is unseemly to advocate for gay issues under the pretense of having been swayed by force of argument when, in fact, the advocate is touting his own self-interest.  So presumably Mr. Corn, troubled as he is by closeted Republican gays, is equally troubled by closeted Democratic gays.

Or maybe not.  Let's go back to Mr. Corn:

Let's be clear about one thing: the Mark Foley scandal is not about homosexuality. Some family value conservatives are suggesting it is. But anytime a gay Republican is outed by events, a dicey issue is raised: what about those GOPers who are gay and who serve a party that is anti-gay?  Are they hypocrites, opportunists, or just confused individuals? Is it possible to support a party because you adhere to most of its tenets--even if that party refuses to recognize you as a full citizen?

Let's be clear as mud - the Foley scandal is not about homosexuality but it would not be unreasonable to out gay Republicans in response to it.  Can anyone follow that?  I would suggest the outing of those who are abusing their power but that logic may be too linear for someone from the reality based community.

I also love this evasion of responsibility - "anytime a gay Republican is outed by events".  No, David, it won't be "events" that post that list, it will be activist Democrats trying to win an election.  Hope that helps your understanding.  A likely candidate would be Mike Rogers of BlogActive.com, who has spent years outing gay Republicans and whose current fund raising appeal says this:

Please help me with this effort. We have five weeks to save our nation from these right wing homophobes in the closet -- and there are more in Congress!

As to "What about those GOPers who are gay and who serve a party that is anti-gay?", well, what about those GOPers who favor lower taxes (and happen to be gay), or who favored a robust national defense in the Reagan era (and happened to be gay), or who favor gun owner's rights (and happen to be gay), or for some other reason don't fit themselves neatly into the special interest group boxes drawn up by earnest Democratic strategists?

Or what about GOPers who were put off by Bill Clinton's "Don't ask, don't tell" debacle or by Clinton's signing of the "Defense of Marriage Act", or by John Kerry's insistence that his position on gay marriage did not differ from Bush's?  Are they allowed to think that maybe the Dems are more talk than action, and that other issues are more important?  Does David Corn really agree with 100% of the Democratic Party platform?

This is the current state of the left - sexual privacy rights for their political opponents are trumped by a desire for power.

Mark Kleiman and Ted Barlow were quite clear on this issue two years ago.  An excerpt:

The right answer to that question [of sexuality], from anyone except a potential sexual partner, is “None of your f—-ing business.”

I really, really disapprove of gay-baiting, even if the gays being baited hold disgusting political positions. And I thought that attitude was part of the definition of liberalism.

We will see whether any Dems speak out against this now, although with an election to be won I am not optimistic.

MORE:  Ahh, Plan B - Josh Marshall is pretending that it is Republicans who are going to out these gay Republican staffers, and Kevin Drum is playing along.

That is quite a working theory - a group of evangelical Reps, outraged by the gays in their midst, worked up a list of gay Republican staffers ands then leaked it to their natural ally, David Corn.  Mr. Corn then choked back his abhorrence at this sexual McCarthyism and penned a few paragraphs rationalizing their effort.  Uh huh.  Can I guess the rest - some lefty blogger will print it "just to show us what awful tricks those crazy House Republicans are up to".  Please.

Personally, I figure that since there are Dem activists who do this routinely, my money is there.

But we have nothing to fight about since we all agree this is awful.  And since Josh Marshall and Kevin Drum think "The List" will be coming from Republicans, I encourage them to denounce the concept unequivocally and pre-emptively, as I am doing here.

If The List appears, they will be on record as having condemned it, and perhaps other Dems will join them.  And if it is the work of crazed evangelical Republicans, condemning it should be easy, yes?

I just know Dems will hurry to denounce this "List" and stand up for privacy rights for all gays, even Republican ones.

STRANGEST THING I EVER READ:  From Mark Schmitt at TPM Cafe:

But when it comes to Foley, this is a case where it is us liberals who have the absolute moral value: Don’t mess with kids sexually. Adults must not mess with kids, people in positions of authority should not mess with kids. It’s not about the legal line or the age of consent in Florida or DC. It’s morality: Fifty-two year olds must not mess with 16 year olds. Remember that rule and all this complexity falls away. Don’t tolerate people who mess with kids, gay or straight. Not complicated. As Robert George would say, it’s "foundational." If you know that basic rule, and don’t hesitate to take action if people break it, or raise alarms if you suspect them of breaking it (as in, asking for a picture) then guess what?: Life gets a little simpler. Gays can be Scoutmasters because, like any other Scoutmaster, they know that you don’t mess with the kids. Straight men can be high school teachers of girls because they maintain that boundary, they treat it as a moral absolute. And so on.

On what planet?  Under my sun, Democrat Gerry Studds was censured by the House in 1983 for having sex with a seventeen year old page; the voters of Massachusetts sent him back to Congress for years thereafter.


53 posted on 10/06/2006 11:32:00 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: oxcart

bookmark


54 posted on 10/06/2006 11:32:27 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (How covert was Valerie Plame at the CIA? Her top-secret code name was "Valerie Plame." ...Coulter)
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To: eyespysomething
"Like I said, the Democrats are way more smarter."

That must be the way they speak in France.

-PJ

55 posted on 10/06/2006 11:35:53 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: PghBaldy

You did the right thing.


56 posted on 10/06/2006 11:36:30 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: dalight

Should I just post it? I feel horrible. I left a long detailed message on the tip line. NOW, I wish Reps would know about it, to deal with possible repercussions.


57 posted on 10/06/2006 11:37:04 AM PDT by PghBaldy (" Depose NANCY!" What did you and other Dem leaders know and when about Foley???)
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To: eyespysomething

"Like I said, the Democrats are way more smarter."

What a smug little dolt, making statements that border on illiteracy, while proclaiming his superior intelligence.


58 posted on 10/06/2006 11:37:33 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion

Nice.


59 posted on 10/06/2006 11:38:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: codercpc

I know, but it's one of those things I wish Solomon (the judge) was hear to talk me through...


60 posted on 10/06/2006 11:38:35 AM PDT by PghBaldy (" Depose NANCY!" What did you and other Dem leaders know and when about Foley???)
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To: PghBaldy

ping.


61 posted on 10/06/2006 11:39:53 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: oxcart

read all 4 posts at macmind concerning this book. It seems now that we know who Robin and cris Katsaros is, and who they are connected to- we have our RAT Nancy Pelosi dead to rights. She was the 'wrong hands' Jordon Edmund and group were talking about. No wonder pelosi will not swear under oath. She knew 3 years ago.

Should be front page news everywhere.


62 posted on 10/06/2006 11:40:17 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: oxcart; Fedora; Howlin; ravingnutter; piasa; Peach; Grampa Dave; pinz-n-needlez; canadianally; ...

PING!! A lot less than "6 degrees of separation" might take us from the IMs to Nancy Pelosi and John Conyers??!! Not only are there all sorts of dubious and suspicious aspects to how the Foley IMs were circulated, but people associated with the page program who are close to Pelosi and Conyers just happen to be working on a "lives of Pages" production.... may or may not have to do with how former and/or current pages pumped this info to CREW, ABC etc but it's well worth freeper investigation:

[p.s. Nancy Pelosi spoke at Georgetown just yesterday, I couldn't stomach watching more than the intros on C-SPAN but she acknowledged her DAUGHTER in the audience who she said is a grad of Georgetown's Foreign Svc. school.... it's a big university and not everyone knows everyone, of course, but it would be most interesting to try to follow any connections between the Pelosis and the Katsaros mother/son (see below)]:




Just who is Robin Katsaros?

Seems she is an uber liber who likes to communicate with Randi Rhodes. She just happens to have had a son in the page program in 2003 - sponsored by Nancy Pelosi

CHRISTOPHER KATSAROS is a sophomore at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service. He grew up in Los Altos Hills, CA--just outside of San Francisco. ***Christopher served his junior year of High School working as a Congressional Page by appointment of Nancy Pelosi, currently the Democratic House Leader***.

From Chris's myspace page:

I cheer for France and sometimes think of myself as European rather than American


63 posted on 10/06/2006 11:40:37 AM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and the Drive-By Media)
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To: PghBaldy

Where did you get your information?

If you reported something and you have not proof of whatever it was, please do not make it worse and spread the rumor on this forum.


64 posted on 10/06/2006 11:41:24 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: oxcart

Scrap the page program now!


65 posted on 10/06/2006 11:44:11 AM PDT by Hack
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To: PghBaldy
I hate to say it. But Pgh your profile sets you up as having started here after this little game began. So shocking revelations about other Reps from you would have to be really well sourced and 2nd party identifiable.

You have done the appropriate thing if you actually did report your findings to the authorities. Past this, you are just taking a chance of trying another poor soul in the public glare and thats not fair to anyone.

66 posted on 10/06/2006 11:44:36 AM PDT by dalight
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To: codercpc; holdonnow
Who else should we ping?

A good friend. A great one.

67 posted on 10/06/2006 11:48:38 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: dalight; admin

Hmm - suspicious indeed. Is Pgh just a little too coy? We weren't all born yesterday ...

Admin - this thread might be breaking-news-worthy


68 posted on 10/06/2006 11:51:50 AM PDT by Tirian
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To: Petronski

HA HA


69 posted on 10/06/2006 11:52:00 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: PghBaldy

DO NOT POST IT HERE!!!! It could be a false rumor, or kids trying to "get into the media action" etc. Do not even tell anyone online where you found it.


71 posted on 10/06/2006 11:53:01 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: Tirian

I understand your disbelief. I just posted it. It may be nothing, but when I saw it, I had to report it.


72 posted on 10/06/2006 11:53:38 AM PDT by PghBaldy (" Depose NANCY!" What did you and other Dem leaders know and when about Foley???)
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To: codercpc

OMG I just did


73 posted on 10/06/2006 11:54:12 AM PDT by PghBaldy (" Depose NANCY!" What did you and other Dem leaders know and when about Foley???)
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To: Enchante; Mo1

We keep finding ourselves in whirlpools with the same view... going round and round and round!

Thanks for the pings. :-)


74 posted on 10/06/2006 11:54:59 AM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: PghBaldy

Hit abuse! Are you a troll trying to spread ugly rumors?


75 posted on 10/06/2006 11:55:08 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: PghBaldy

You can ask the admin to remove it by clicking on the 'abuse' button.


76 posted on 10/06/2006 11:56:26 AM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: codercpc

I hit abuse. NO I am not a troll. I am exactly what I say. I feel horrible.


77 posted on 10/06/2006 11:57:25 AM PDT by PghBaldy (" Depose NANCY!" What did you and other Dem leaders know and when about Foley???)
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To: Howlin




http://tinyurl.com/gv6nj





Katsaros, Robin (Not employed/Homemaker), (Zip code: 94022) $1000 to JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT INC on 06/29/04



http://tinyurl.com/fcmkq


78 posted on 10/06/2006 11:57:58 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: OldFriend

How about,

"By hiring an attorney FOR the page, those who want this controversy to drag out as long as possible and protect the DEMOCRAT PARTY LEADERSHIP WHO WERE COMPLICIT will be afforded keeping this page from spilling the beans."


IOW the page is being supervised by an attorney who has interests elsewhere.


79 posted on 10/06/2006 12:00:45 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
IOW the page is being supervised by an attorney who has interests elsewhere.

That wouldn't be suprising

80 posted on 10/06/2006 12:04:00 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: pinz-n-needlez; codercpc

Did you two see what was posted on #70??


81 posted on 10/06/2006 12:06:19 PM PDT by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME----You need FR, you know you do, so how about donating??)
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To: kcvl; Howlin
The email and IM text circulated by CREW may be highly doctored!!! Big red flag......

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1714665/posts?page=82#82

======================================================

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2650

Make sure to check out the work Mac Ranger is doing on possible book deals and Nancy Pelosi

Update: This is one poor job of hacking emails. Another problem. Note the “subject” line in the emails from Folely. They say “email 2″ and “email 3″, etc. No email program would do that with a subject line. And Folely definitely wouldn’t do that (who thinks these are consecutive?). These are so doctored up it is ridiculous. The look overly faxed again, like someone deliberately aged them - even though emails from 2003 can be printed pristine anytime. This makes me question the custody of the information. The first email printed 10/17/06 looks to have been Faxed once. The Folely emails printed 9/13/06 look to be copies one or two cycles old (depending on the copy machine) and later faxed. That means a different custody chain.

Posted by AJStrata on Friday, October 6th, 2006 at 9:10 am.
82 posted on 10/06/2006 12:07:47 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and the Drive-By Media)
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To: longtermmemmory; Grampa Dave; Sam Hill; Howlin; Mo1; Miss Marple; nopardons; AmeriBrit; Txsleuth; ..
Very good.....now the attorney makes sense,,,,,

************************************

Pingaroo

83 posted on 10/06/2006 12:08:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Enchante
On one of the blogs there was speculation that Nancy avoiding the polygraph was because of some of these connections....
84 posted on 10/06/2006 12:11:35 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Txsleuth

Yes but I will not repeat it.


85 posted on 10/06/2006 12:12:25 PM PDT by codercpc
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To: Txsleuth
I blinked and missed it too.

-PJ

86 posted on 10/06/2006 12:12:40 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

That is what I am strongly suspicious of....... my hunch is that Pelosi had early knowledge of this and very well may have seen the seamy IMs long before anyone on the Republican side ever did..... if not Pelosi then other 'Rats associated with the CREW types, but I'm suspecting Pelosi herself is up to her scrawny neck in this muck...........


87 posted on 10/06/2006 12:13:53 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and the Drive-By Media)
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To: codercpc
It's also interesting that the House Page Alumni message board server seems to be down now.

-PJ

88 posted on 10/06/2006 12:14:02 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Txsleuth

I explained to Admin Mod and they deleted it. I know it might not be anything, cause it's 2 pages talking about someone else (a roomate), but it just seemed iffy, legally to me. I wish I hadn't seen it.


89 posted on 10/06/2006 12:14:17 PM PDT by PghBaldy (" Depose NANCY!" What did you and other Dem leaders know and when about Foley???)
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To: Political Junkie Too

It went down days ago. The site Admin there is a conservative Republican. At first I thought he wasn't cause of his media appearences, but then reading what he said there, it was obvious he was in over his head (media calls etc).


90 posted on 10/06/2006 12:16:58 PM PDT by PghBaldy (" Depose NANCY!" What did you and other Dem leaders know and when about Foley???)
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To: longtermmemmory

I just don't see Tim McVey's attorney playing footsies with politicians. He would be throwing away his reputation for all time.


91 posted on 10/06/2006 12:17:36 PM PDT by OldFriend (Should we wait for them to come and kill us again? President Karzai 9/26/06)
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To: MOgirl; Republican Red
More info Ping!

MO are you keeping up with the timeline and players?

92 posted on 10/06/2006 12:17:45 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Even The Nicest Pug Has An Evil Twin)
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To: PghBaldy

Thanks.


93 posted on 10/06/2006 12:18:19 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Mo1

Their silence is deafening.


94 posted on 10/06/2006 12:29:29 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (By a miracle we lived through 'Eight Clinton Years of Living Hell'....NO MORE CLINTON'S...EVER!)
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To: K4Harty
Hello,

I am trying to keep up with it all...I was doing OK, but seem to have lost track..

I'll keep trying! Glad to be here, MOgirl
95 posted on 10/06/2006 12:29:38 PM PDT by MOgirl (Democrats: The Culture of Treason (and you know what I'm talkin about!))
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To: OldFriend
Me too. Nothing like grabbing a lighting rod in a thunderstorm.
96 posted on 10/06/2006 12:31:30 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: MOgirl

watch for FReepmail from me in a sec. for more info.


97 posted on 10/06/2006 12:32:53 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Even The Nicest Pug Has An Evil Twin)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the ping! :-)


98 posted on 10/06/2006 12:33:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: oxcart

bttt


99 posted on 10/06/2006 12:35:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: oxcart

My own impression is that there is now so much doubt about how many, if any, of these messages were genuine or part of some prank/entrapment scheme, everyone in the Dem Party and the MSM are backing away from wild charges for fear of being caught out and being accused of being part of the scheme (if that what it turns out to be).
If so, this kills the whole "scandal" potential and the matter is now, as Ed Grimly would say, "as dead as dead can be."
I predict by next week this will be long forgotten.


100 posted on 10/06/2006 12:37:47 PM PDT by finnigan2
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