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Foley, Gay Republicans, And "The List"
CBS News - Public EYE ^ | 10.05.06 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 10/07/2006 1:35:46 PM PDT by rface

On Tuesday night's "Evening News," Gloria Borger said this:

"One senior House Republican tells CBS that there's a lot of anger at what he describes as 'a network of gay staffers and gay members who protect each other and did the speaker a disservice.'"

The New Republic's Michael Crowley picks up on Borger's comment. He argues that "it's becoming clear that some people on Capitol Hill are promoting a storyline that involves gay Republican staffers--apparently led by [Tom Reynolds's chief of staff Kirk] Fordham--covering up for Mark Foley." Crowley suggests "maybe this is how Dennis Hastert and his compatriots are explaining themselves to the base."

He also notes David Corn's report on "The List" – a document being passed around political circles of high-level Republican congressional aides who are gay.

Corn, a liberal, says he will not publish The List, even though he has a copy. Here's his conclusion:

Let's be clear about one thing: the Mark Foley scandal is not about homosexuality. Some family value conservatives are suggesting it is. But anytime a gay Republican is outed by events, a dicey issue is raised: what about those GOPers who are gay and who serve a party that is anti-gay? Are they hypocrites, opportunists, or just confused individuals? Is it possible to support a party because you adhere to most of its tenets--even if that party refuses to recognize you as a full citizen? The men on The List might want to think hard about these questions--as they probably already have--for if I have a copy of The List, there's a good chance it will be appearing soon on a website near everyone......

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The List: (found on the left of the link, part way down...)

THE LIST

Operating since July of 2004, telling you the truth about hypocrisy in the gov't.

US Representatives

Rep. Ed Schrock (VA)
Rep. David Drier (CA)
Rep. James McCrery (LA)
Rep. Mark Foley (FL)
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US Senators.
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Sen Barbara Mikulski (MD)
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Senior GOP Staff
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Jay Timmons, NRSC
Dan Gurley, RNC
Jay Banning, RNC
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Senior Senate Staffers
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Robert Traynham, Santorum
Jonathan Tolman, Inhofe
Kirk Fordham, Martinez
Dirk Smith, Lott
John Reid, Allen
Paul Unger, Allen
Linus Catignani, Frist
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Senior House Staffers
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Jim Conzelman, Oxley
Lee Cohen, Hart
Robert O'Conner, King
Pete Meachum, Brown-Waite
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Bush Staff
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Israel Hernandez
Jeff Berkowitz
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Local Officials
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Vincent Gentile, NYC
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The rest...
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Ed Koch, NYC Mayor
Jennifer Helms-Knox, Judge
Armstrong Williams, Radio host
Matt Drudge, Headline writer
Steve Kreseski, MD Gov.
Chip DiPaula, MD Gov.
Lee LaHaye, CWA
John Schlafley, Eagle Forum


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There are two options regarding "The List"....pretend that it won't get published or distributed somehow - or put it up front.

I doesn't bother me one bit if someone's name is on "The List". I bet that the vast majority of FReepers wouldn't be upset to find out that their Rep. or Senator or even Matt Drudge is gay...(is he???? ....I don't think so)....

BUT - The Crux of this issue is that the Democratics think they can hold a sword over the GOP and call the sword "The List"..... Screw that "The List" and I am not going to run away from it nor am I going to vilify those on "The List" - (unless they are involved in Foley types of behaviour).

Put out "The List" and remove the threat....it's going to come out of the closet anyways

1 posted on 10/07/2006 1:35:46 PM PDT by rface
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I have mixed feelings about posting this, since there are many individuals on here that either don't belong, or because it is truely a private matter.......The Democratics are holding this as a weapon and they are going to wave this weapon in front of us and those on "The List" and that just sucks.....


2 posted on 10/07/2006 1:37:45 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: rface

I really couldn't care less if someone is gay. I just don't want to see it promoted and I don't want to see homosexuals treated any differently than the rest of us.


3 posted on 10/07/2006 1:39:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: rface

I see no good service provided by posting a gay "outing" list of republicans here.


4 posted on 10/07/2006 1:39:37 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: rface

Why isn't Hilary on this list?


5 posted on 10/07/2006 1:40:16 PM PDT by miele man
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To: cripplecreek

Correct. I think a good number of Republicans echo the same sentiment.


6 posted on 10/07/2006 1:40:58 PM PDT by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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To: rface

I have a gay neighbor who confided in me that he is a closet Republican. I am not joking.


7 posted on 10/07/2006 1:41:10 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: bnelson44

maybe it should be deleted - but it is out there. I wouldn't be upset if it was deleted - but I am upset that the Democratics think they can use this to club Gay Repubs over the head and threaten them.


8 posted on 10/07/2006 1:41:27 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: rface
I wonder if Jim McGreevy was on this "list" when it started circulating in 2004.

I know some way bigger names than these. I'll bet many others here do too. Pretty weak sauce if you ask me.

9 posted on 10/07/2006 1:42:12 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Vote as if your life depends on it -- because it does!!!)
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To: mariabush

Tammy Bruce was a closet republican for years.


10 posted on 10/07/2006 1:44:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: rface

Paitings of Bush being eaten by buzzards are out there too, but that doesn't mean we should promote them.


11 posted on 10/07/2006 1:44:18 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: rface

Why are you posting this? It looks like a forgery. If it's a list of all homosexuals in Congress, where's Barney Frank? If it's a list of homosexual Republicans associated with Congress, why is Democrat Barbara Mikulski on it? What's the point of speculating about people's private lives based on no authoritative evidence?


12 posted on 10/07/2006 1:44:40 PM PDT by x
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To: mariabush

There are a LOT of gay republicans. Problem for the liberals gays is this- gay republicans don't use their sexuality as the only definition of who they are, and thus, who they vote for. Liberal gays loathe gay republicans like no other.


13 posted on 10/07/2006 1:45:47 PM PDT by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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To: rface
GOPers who are gay and who serve a party that is anti-gay?

Being pro-Constitution, pro public health, and wanting to protect children, does not make one "anti-gay."

This might seem strange to a DUmmie reading this but I don't want to see someone's private weakness exposed to the world. It's when people start publically demanding laws that declare weakness to be strength and wrong to be right, that I get concerned.

14 posted on 10/07/2006 1:46:08 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: mariabush
My cousin is a Massachusetts Gay and was a Repub except that he wanted to get married - so....maybe he still is GOP - but he certainly supports Gay Marriage.

We are good friends - we just dissagree on this issue.....and we pretty much avoid that issue

15 posted on 10/07/2006 1:46:35 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: bnelson44

It's been posted here about a dozen times and linked to even more often. My opinion is that it just doesn't matter. It was supposed to make conservatives go wild with anger that homosexuals actually have jobs in government with and as Republicans. So far all I have heard is a big yawn. Conservatives don't hate gays for being gay.

However, it appears quite possible that, in the Foley situation, the goal of keeping details of homosexual behavior (ala Foley) out of the spotlight was more important to at least a few of them than was looking out for the interests of their employers or their party.


16 posted on 10/07/2006 1:46:55 PM PDT by Bahbah (Shalit, Goldwasser and Regev, we are praying for you)
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To: x

the point of "The List" is that only Gay GOPers are included.


17 posted on 10/07/2006 1:47:56 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: miele man
She's a Republican?????

If being gay and being a Republican is such a hard thing than why aren't they Democrats?

18 posted on 10/07/2006 1:48:20 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: rface

Drudge has toyed with the gay rumor for years. I remember when he posted a link to an article stating that he liked young boys to break eggs over him. It wouldn't surprise me if he is gay--he sure seems to be pretty heavily into Hollywood bedroom gossip and fashion--but he has never confirmed any of it that I know of.

As for The List, it's pretty underwhelming. The ones I've heard of, I've heard the rumors. Most of them, I don't know from Adam. If the point is that it's offensive to gay activists for a gay to work for an "anti-gay party," all I need to know from and about these men is that they will support the party platform. Be gay in the open or be gay in the closet, but you better not support things like gay adoption or gay marriage. That's all I care about. If you can't reconcile the two, then get out of Congress and let someone who will have a shot.


19 posted on 10/07/2006 1:48:29 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: rface

These people have already been "outed" many times. It didn't stick.

How about examining the Mark Foley link to Scientology and Clearwater Fla? Much more ominous IMO.


20 posted on 10/07/2006 1:49:07 PM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO WANT TO TAKE OVER YOUR COUNTRY !)
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To: mariabush

Every gay person I know is a Republican. It's a small number, but still....


21 posted on 10/07/2006 1:49:23 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Rastus
....but you better not support things like gay adoption or gay marriage. That's all I care about.

That pretty much sums it up.

22 posted on 10/07/2006 1:50:21 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: mariabush

Gays need to come out of the closet and admit they love Republicans.


23 posted on 10/07/2006 1:52:25 PM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs
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To: All

I, for one, would like to know everything about everybody who is gay...not that there's anything wrong with that.


24 posted on 10/07/2006 1:53:16 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: rface

So why is Barbara Mikulski, a Democrat on it?


25 posted on 10/07/2006 1:53:25 PM PDT by x
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To: rface
Is this a list of gays who are not "out" yet. Or a list of Republicans who are not "out?" If so, what is Barbara Mikulski doing on the list?
26 posted on 10/07/2006 1:54:07 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: rface

I really wish that list would disappear. Not because I'm mad that someone is on it. Can't say I'm really surprised by most of them and I notice a couple missing.

But, it is absolutely no one's right to out someone before they out themselves. It disgusts me. It is a very personal decision that involves many factors and a person needs to be mentally ready for the after affects of coming out.


27 posted on 10/07/2006 1:54:09 PM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: cripplecreek

It's the Dims who have a problem with Gays. That's the conclusion I've come to.


28 posted on 10/07/2006 1:54:55 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: rface
Hmm... so Allen has two in his staff

John Reid, Allen Paul Unger, Allen

Hmmm... I don't like this

29 posted on 10/07/2006 1:54:56 PM PDT by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: jennyjenny

With everything that has happened concerning Foley, i thought the Democrats were the "party of tolerance." The media, in my opinion, has performed a hell of a lot of gay bashing. Hypocrisy, anyone?


30 posted on 10/07/2006 1:55:24 PM PDT by xc1427
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To: rface
David Corn says..."Let's be clear about one thing: the Mark Foley scandal is not about homosexuality."

It isn't?

The case certainly does involve a good deal of hypocrisy, though. The entire Democratic stance can be distilled to this - "We get to bash gays if they're Republicans." It's that simple.

31 posted on 10/07/2006 1:55:39 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: mariabush

I know a gay couple that have been completely shunned by many of their gay friends when it was discovered they were Republican.


32 posted on 10/07/2006 1:55:49 PM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: rface

When did Mikulski become a Republican? I missed that amazing event!


33 posted on 10/07/2006 1:55:58 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: rface

My prediction is that this will backfire. It's said that Pelosi is absolutely against releasing this list and there is a very good reason for that. If there's one thing gay people hate worse than a Republican against gay marriage it's someone who outs homosexuals against their will.

The left is not only ignorant about conservatives and what drives them to vote, they are also evidently ignorant about what makes non-radical gays angry.

The moral of this story......Liberals are ignorant, PERIOD.


34 posted on 10/07/2006 1:56:09 PM PDT by HelloooClareece ("We make war that we may live in peace". Aristotle)
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To: rface

I think the point of the list is closeted gays.


35 posted on 10/07/2006 1:56:48 PM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: rface
Sen Barbara Mikulski (MD)

Anyone in DC who isn't blind as a bat knows she is a bull lesbian. It is even known that she prefers pretty skinny blonde women (I guess she likes the opposite of what she is).

What is ridiculous about this "List" is that it does not mention so many others who are homosexual (bi or otherwise). For instance, the person standing next to Sen Mikulski below.


36 posted on 10/07/2006 1:57:52 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: x

hmmmmm - maybe the list are those that are gay - but vote against gay marriage or stuff like that. I don't know.


37 posted on 10/07/2006 1:58:34 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: rface
Sen Barbara Mikulski (MD)

Gee, I never would have guessed. /sarcsam

Interesting that the Dems have become the new gay bashers. Oh my!

38 posted on 10/07/2006 1:58:42 PM PDT by veronica
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To: bnelson44

Barb Mikulski is a repub ?


39 posted on 10/07/2006 1:58:50 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: CremeSaver

Probably their idea of balance.


40 posted on 10/07/2006 1:59:33 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: rface
My Congressman (which I had long known about) is on the list and I feel no desire to go out and vote for some egg sucking dog of a Democrat

I'm sure that in the spirit of bi-partisanship the Democrat list will be released shortly. /sarc

41 posted on 10/07/2006 1:59:33 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Those that do not heed the warnings of history....)
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To: mariabush

In some circles being a closet Republican is a far greater sin and source of shame than being a closet gay.


42 posted on 10/07/2006 2:01:32 PM PDT by veronica
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To: rface

b


43 posted on 10/07/2006 2:02:02 PM PDT by TwoSue
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To: cripplecreek

That is exactly how I feel. I know some gay Republicans who are "out" but do not believe in the "homosexual agenda".


44 posted on 10/07/2006 2:02:09 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Never Forget)
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To: xc1427

I have found that democrats are only tolerant when you agree with them.
I'm in CA, seeing Drier's name on that list is no surprise.


45 posted on 10/07/2006 2:03:19 PM PDT by psjones (u)
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To: rintense
Correct. I think a good number of Republicans echo the same sentiment.

Yes, same here. In the Silicon Valley, in the midst of the Bay Area and just south of San Francisco, you run into a lot of gay people. Some I couldn't give a darn about, and some that are good friends. There's one guy who I'm pretty sure is and is closeted, and (if that's the case) I wish he came out. (Uh, but without a "flourish", if you know what I mean.)

Some gays are very very messed up people, but some aren't. Just like the rest of us, only more so.

46 posted on 10/07/2006 2:04:14 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity.)
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To: veronica

We live in a small Southern town. I just found it to be very amusing that he did not mind if everyone knew that he was gay, but heaven forbid should anyone find out that he supports G. Bush!


47 posted on 10/07/2006 2:06:03 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: rface
but I am upset that the Democratics think they can use this to club Gay Repubs over the head and threaten them.

Well, the D's fail to understand that the rest of us realize that not all Gays are pedophiles. They are pushing this issue and implying that all Gay's try to seduce/abuse children.

The sooner somebody steps up and challenges them on this, the better off we'll all be.

I know straight people who have taken advantage of children and have consequently served their time. But I don't know of anybody who spends every waking hour trying to convince everyone that all heterosexuals are pedophiles.

There's a real disconnect in their logic. Correction: They have no logic. There is a real disconnect in their thought process.

48 posted on 10/07/2006 2:06:17 PM PDT by Iowa Granny
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To: ElPatriota
George Allen's former press secretary is now Larry Sabato's chief of staff. I don't like that either.
49 posted on 10/07/2006 2:06:55 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: cripplecreek
...and I don't want to see homosexuals treated any differently than the rest of us....

I DO CARE... so, are you saying you are for homosexual marriages? raising kids under a homosexual environment? homosexual priests? homosexual scout-leaders? homosexual teachers?

I don't mean to attack you... I am just interested in your views as a member of FR. I am kind of new here.

50 posted on 10/07/2006 2:07:25 PM PDT by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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