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Rice: Palestinians deserve to live free of 'occupation'[at an event of pro-Palestinian group]
Haaretz ^ | 10/12/2006 | AP

Posted on 10/11/2006 6:46:16 PM PDT by Sabramerican

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says Palestinians deserve to live better than they do and be "free of the humiliation of occupation" in a state of their own.

"I promise you my personal commitment to that goal," Rice said at a dinner marking the third anniversary of the American Task Force on Palestine.

"There could be no greater legacy for America," Rice told the group, which describes itself as nonpartisan and supportive of a Palestinian state living side by side with Israel.

"The Palestinian people deserve a better life ... free of the humiliation of occupation," she said

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabs; bush; bushdoctrine; bushdoctrineunfold; israel; israelhaters; muslims; plo; rice; wot
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Now in the open. Rice is anti Israel.

File under: Why do Jews vote for Democrats when Republicans (Particularly Republicans named Bush) are Israel's best friend ever.

1 posted on 10/11/2006 6:46:17 PM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican

I guess all those PLO hijackings and suicide bombings finally got around to paying dividends in both political parties.


2 posted on 10/11/2006 6:48:39 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Sabramerican

Get real. Israel should either declare annexation of the territory or work toward separation and an independent state for the territory it doesn't want to annex.

There's nothing anti-Israel in the statement at all.


3 posted on 10/11/2006 6:48:40 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Sabramerican
Man, she actually used the "O-word"? ....yet another attempt to "win hearts and minds" in the Arab world, no doubt.

The only solution to the Palestinian squatter problem is the "T-word."

Transfer.

Mass transfer.

4 posted on 10/11/2006 6:50:29 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Sabramerican

Bush Doctrine, R.I.P.


5 posted on 10/11/2006 6:52:48 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: Sabramerican

And now that the pali's don't have the Israli's to shoot at, they're shooting at each other. That's a good thing!


6 posted on 10/11/2006 6:54:15 PM PDT by OldFriend (Should we wait for them to come and kill us again? President Karzai 9/26/06)
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To: Sabramerican
By the legacy of Andrew Jackson who loved and respected the Indians perhaps more than any other American President in history, I can not see how this kind of address is anything but misguided, and the resultant engenders disrespect, indulgent hatred and a reaction in time to continued spiteful violence that will leave them more oppressed both by their own hatreds and in actuality by the rational of us who know what we have to do to protect ourselves and those we love.

You cannot feed spite and we-are-a-victim-of-others social ethos and expect peace -- what you get is bitter chaos and strive.

7 posted on 10/11/2006 6:55:14 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

typo - "Chaos and Strife"


8 posted on 10/11/2006 6:56:25 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Sabramerican
She spoke to the American Task Force on Palestine

Does this Terror apologist look familiar? He is always on TV..

He is Hussein Ibish, a Senior Fellow at the American Task Force on Palestine.

American Task Force on Palestine

Just every day people loving Arabs.

9 posted on 10/11/2006 6:57:56 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Bush Doctrine- Old: Fight terrorists. New: Cease fire with terrorists.)
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To: Sabramerican
"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says Palestinians deserve to live better than they do and be 'free of the humiliation of occupation" in a state of their own.'"

That's the terrorist enemy's propaganda. If that quote is accurate, our Secretary of State is spouting the propaganda of our enemy!
10 posted on 10/11/2006 6:58:40 PM PDT by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: Sabramerican
Rice is following in the footsteps of James Baker and he was carrying the water G.W.'s Father. This remark is consistant with his father's, "I'm just one little guy" remark when they were twisting Israel's arm to come to the negotiating table with Fatah and Arafat. One can only conclude that the Bush administration has turned on Israel.

The comment his father made, led directly to attacks on Jews in the US. Rice's remark will embolden every Jew hater from here to Indonesia. It is now a much more dangerous world because of her for all Jews.

11 posted on 10/11/2006 7:01:44 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Sabramerican
Now in the open. Rice is anti Israel.

What?

Hasn't this been the policy of both the U.S. and Israel?

12 posted on 10/11/2006 7:02:12 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Dog Gone
"Get real. Israel should either declare annexation of the territory or work toward separation and an independent state for the territory it doesn't want to annex."

Well, the illegal aliens here in the USA don't even do suicide bombings at kids' parties. By your kind of logic, we should certainly make them all citizens with full rights and responsibilities, or give them their own state within our country (our whole west coast, for example).

"There's nothing anti-Israel in the statement at all."

If that's true, there's nothing anti-American about the statement above, even if I were serious.
13 posted on 10/11/2006 7:04:13 PM PDT by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: Sabramerican

"The Palestinian people deserve a better life ... free of the humiliation of occupation," she said"

Rice is right.
They would already have this, were it not for the greed and perfidy of their leaders and allies.


14 posted on 10/11/2006 7:08:17 PM PDT by rogator
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To: Sabramerican

Tha Palestinians deserve a lot of things. A State isn't one of them.


15 posted on 10/11/2006 7:08:18 PM PDT by claudiustg (Iran delenda est.)
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To: SJackson
Ping!
16 posted on 10/11/2006 7:12:03 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

***"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says Palestinians deserve to live better than they do and be 'free of the humiliation of occupation" in a state of their own.'"***

I would like to ask Dr, Rice just what the p[alestinians have done to deserve to be free of humiliation and to live better.
Was it the kidnappings? The missiles across the border at innocent civilians. The blown up busses?,Maybe it was the attacks on Christians. Maybe it was the looting in gaza. Just wondering what it was that makes them deserve a better life.

I think Dr. Rice just stepped in the dog dirt.


17 posted on 10/11/2006 7:13:05 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Sabramerican
Today the President said:

"If we were to abandon that country before the Iraqis can defend their young democracy, the terrorists would take control of Iraq and establish a new safe haven from which to launch new attacks on America."

Change Iraqis to "Palestinians". Change America to Israel.

Didn't they vote for Hamas. Don't they support terror. Haven't they already proved that they would do just that, attack Israel at every opportunity?

He added: "We can't tolerate a new terrorist state in the heart of the Middle East"

Hypocrite

18 posted on 10/11/2006 7:23:19 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Bush Doctrine- Old: Fight terrorists. New: Cease fire with terrorists.)
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To: thoughtomator

Hell, I gave up on the Bush Administration quite some time ago. And I never, for the life of me, understood why people here once wanted Rice to run for president in '08.


19 posted on 10/11/2006 7:29:19 PM PDT by frankiep (Beer - the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems)
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To: Sabramerican

They are "free of the humiliation of occupation" in Gaza.

And yet:


Would-be suicide bomber killed near Karni crossing
Yaakov Katz, THE JERUSALEM POST Oct. 11, 2006

A suicide attack was thwarted late Tuesday night when IDF troops shot and killed a Palestinian wearing an explosives belt when he tried infiltrating into Israel from the Gaza Strip.


20 posted on 10/11/2006 7:41:04 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Bush Doctrine- Old: Fight terrorists. New: Cease fire with terrorists.)
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To: familyop

Except that your analogy is ridiculous.

I mean really stupid.

We don't have any occupied territory.

Illegal aliens are a problem, but to compare them to the Israeli/Palestinian situation is totally asinine.

Please ask the moderators to remove your post as temporary insanity.


21 posted on 10/11/2006 7:43:49 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: frankiep

I gave up on the administration quite some time ago, myself. It's Congress that has profoundly disappointed me. Two chambers, six years, more movement backwards than forwards. It's an utter disgrace.


22 posted on 10/11/2006 7:44:53 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: Sabramerican

"There could be no greater legacy for America,"

She could not be more wrong!
Fat lady just sang.


23 posted on 10/11/2006 8:08:03 PM PDT by Esther Ruth (Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The LORD is thy keeper!)
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To: frankiep
Hell, I gave up on the Bush Administration quite some time ago.

Yeah, me too. Not too long after the 2004 election. The main thing on my mind now is 2008. We need a respected conservative leader who can really communicate and extend his ideas without stumbling every other sentence. I do fear John McCain as a possible president, but I know many liberals and moderates that would vote for him. It scares me.

The more I know Bush and Clinton, the more I realize what a great president Reagan was.

I know and respect Bush for not wanting to pass on the problems currently posed by a nuclear North Korea and the fanatical ahmadamnutjob Iran leader. I truly believe that Bush will try and minimize these threats while he's still president. I just don't know how or if it can be done without massive bloodshed.
24 posted on 10/11/2006 8:10:49 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Dog Gone
"Except that your analogy is ridiculous.

I mean really stupid.
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You apparently don't have a logical argument.

"We don't have any occupied territory."

The Jews are not occupying any territory belonging to the terrorists you're arguing for, either.

"Illegal aliens are a problem, but to compare them to the Israeli/Palestinian situation is totally asinine."

No, it's not, although the generic Arabs exiled from their various countries (AKA, "Palestinians") are much worse than Mexicans. But you apparently don't think so.

"Please ask the moderators to remove your post as temporary insanity."

Find a Democrat discussion board that suits your agreement with the terrorists. Such boards will probably more likely accomodate your personal attacks, which are hardly disguised as argument attacks.
25 posted on 10/11/2006 8:13:49 PM PDT by familyop
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To: Sabramerican

COndi?

Why do I have the urge to ask- Colin? Is that you?


26 posted on 10/11/2006 8:15:22 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (STEVE KING /JOHN BOLTON FOR '08...Ann picks King...I pick Bolton!)
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To: Sabramerican

Palestinians deserve to be dispersed throughout the Muslim world and their "country" turned into a no-man's land.

They Palestinians spoke loud and lear when they elected Hamas.

America is really in serious trouble. Both parties are run by people who are out of touch with reality.


27 posted on 10/11/2006 8:16:06 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Dog Gone
"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says Palestinians deserve to live better than they do and be 'free of the humiliation of occupation' in a state of their own."

The terrorist propaganda about Israeli "occupation" of Israel is a lie. Our President should appoint a new Secretary of State. It's common knowledge that the various Islamofascists exiled by their own nations of origin want to destroy the nation of Israel and don't belong there.
28 posted on 10/11/2006 8:20:02 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

I don't have the patience to explain to you what you fail to understand this evening.

Suffice it to say for this evening that I don't need to find a Democrat board to justify my view that we don't have an analogous situation with illegal aliens with the Israeli problem with the Palestinians.

I'd similarly suggest a kook forum for you.

If you want to continue this insane argument tomorrow, I'll take you on.

But I'm done for the night.


29 posted on 10/11/2006 8:21:05 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

You may not think it's occupied, and I'd agree with you, but ask the people in the AZTLAN and LA RAZA groups if they consider the Southwest occupied and you'd get a different answer.

What would Rice say if someone blew themselves up on a bus in San Diego or Phoenix demaning an end to the occupation of Aztlan?

What would Rice say if some Indian blew himself up in a mall in Pierre or Albequerqe demanding an end to the US occupation of Indian land?

It just goes to show that everyone has double standards and is hypocritical to some extent.

The bottom line is that this has nothing to do with occupation. It has to do with the fact that the arabs/muslims will not be satisfied until Israel is no more. They see it as a temporary abberation, a la the Crusader kingdoms of the middle ages, and it may well be. But all this talk of occupation just masks the real issue, which Rice is either blind to or willfully ignores.


30 posted on 10/11/2006 8:24:31 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: Dog Gone

The Early History of Palestine (Before World War I)
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early.php

Palestine Through World War I to the British Mandate
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_ww1.php

British Mandate for Palestine (WW I to 1948)
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate.php

Events Surrounding the Independence of the State of Israel (1947-1949)
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence.php

ISRAEL 1948-1967
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967.php

Israel 1967 Through 1991
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991.php

Israel 1991 Through The Present
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now.php


31 posted on 10/11/2006 8:27:10 PM PDT by familyop
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To: jeltz25

I vote willfully ignores. She's as educated as anyone on earth. She studies cultures; she reads the highest level security reports on what the Palestinians are actually saying and doing. No, I think she is willfully choosing a side and I think part of the reason has to do with oil.

Bush tried to open ANWR as one step toward lowering our dependence on the Arabs. The citizens of this country want no part of drilling on our land. So what does a President have to do to protect our future? Kiss up to the Arabs. Now, it is kind of sickening when you see the President doing it with all his heart. But I'm sure he thinks he's being practical.


32 posted on 10/11/2006 8:29:26 PM PDT by The Westerner
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To: Dog Gone

Don't try to move the goalpost. You need some evidence for your statement that Israel belongs to the generic Arabs and is occupied by the Jews.


33 posted on 10/11/2006 8:31:51 PM PDT by familyop
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To: Dog Gone
I don't need to find a Democrat board to justify my view that we don't have an analogous situation with illegal aliens with the Israeli problem with the Palestinians

Not yet.

34 posted on 10/11/2006 9:19:29 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Dog Gone

The statement is anti-Israel...and yes, you are right, Israel should annex the territory and transfer the terrorists to Jordan.


35 posted on 10/11/2006 9:19:59 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: familyop; Esther Ruth; F15Eagle

The original "Palestinians" were known as Canaanites. The Arabs have no claim to this land as being the original Palestinians. Who do the Arabs claim to be their ancestor? And who were that ancestors parents? That's right: a Chaldean and an Egyptian. That's right, no Canaanite at all there.

The Jews were given a direct mandate by God to exterminate the Canaanites, and to occupy their lands. In God's eyes the Canaanites were a wicked people, and the Jews were God's chosen people, i.e., holy, and set apart (not only as a people of a distinct culture, and ethnicity, but a people with a divine purpose). However, they were not to do so until the wickedness of the Canaanites had reached its fullness. When the time came for them to do what they had been tasked to do by God, they utterly failed to complete the task; even taking Canaanite women as their wives. Without doubt no good could come from this and none ever has.

In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman "Provincia Judaea" and so renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina", the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name "Provincia Syria Palaestina" was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized "Palestine" is derived.

Palestine has never been partitioned in all of history. Palestine is a geographically defined region established by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Yaweh - I Am that I Am) with the Jews in an everlasting covenant. That the Jews lost the rod (power to rule) and their lands (as foretold in (Joel 3:2; cf. UN Resolution 181), subsequently scattered from it to the four corners of the Earth hasn't changed that one iota.

The geographic region of Palestine that has been granted to the Jews by God's covenant has historically been recognized as being Palestine in total. Scripture is quite clear on the subject: those people that curse the Jews will be cursed by God Himself. Those people that go against God's covenant will incur His wrath. The Jews incured God's wrath, and when the British government first partitioned Palestine in 1920, the British lost their empire. Even so the British Kingdom established what was known as Palestine Eretz Israel, the restricted immigration into the land by some ridiculously low number of 1000 annually. And several years later they stopped all immigration by proclaiming there was no more room.

There are no arguing these facts: they happened. Neither can there be argued any logic to the events occuring: because the events athat have unfolded go against any logic concievable. That Israel even exists presently is an outgrowth of the persecution that the Jews suffered during the Holocaust. They were persecuted not only by Hitler's fanaticism, but by the anti-semitism of the entire world at the time; nobody lifted a finger to help them. If somebody is interested in a tragedy they should familiarize themselves with the plight of the passengers of the St. Louis during WWII. No country offered them safe haven.

Hitler spelled it all out in Mein Kampf. Nobody thought he was serious. He I.D'd 11 million Jews for extermination. The world got together and held a conference. He subsequently mocked the results of the Evian conference by saying: "If you don't like my Final Solution, then I'll ship all the Jews to you (on first class luxury liners if need be)." No one would take them. Prior to he taking measures against the Jews in Hungary, he proclaimed that he'd sell them to any takers at $2/head. $1 million would have saved 500,000 Jews from the death camps. There were no takers.

At the end of WWII, at the horrors revealed of the concentration camps, and at the realization of the global governing body's complicity in the massacre, in a fit of concience they grudgingly established a national homeland for the Jews.

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it." - Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not" - Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." - Ahmed Shukairy, United Nations Security Council, 1956

In 1964 Ahmed Shukairy became the first chairman of the Palestine Liberation Movement (in the year of its foundeding). Its charter proclaimed its sole purpose to be the destruction of Israel.

The outcome of the attack by Arab nations against Israel inspired an alteration in public rhetoric; it sounds much better in the press to speak of the liberation of Falastin than of the destruction of Israel. Much of the world, governments and media and public opinion, accept virtually without question of serious analysis the new-sprung myth of an Arab nation of Falastin, whose territory is unlawfully occupied by the Jews.

The fact of the matter is that the issue is not one of nationalism, but rather the extermination of an entire race of people. One thing is absolutely crystal: Jer 31:35,37 must occur before Israel can be destroyed. If ever Israel is destroyed, it is a foregone conlusion there will be no resurrection; for God would be proven a liar.

Condoleeza's garbage spewed is just so much of that that passes as fact these days in the drive-by MSM, i.e., "fake but accurate."


36 posted on 10/11/2006 9:58:44 PM PDT by raygun (Whenever I see U.N. blue helmets I feel like laughing and puking at the same time.)
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To: Sabramerican; Dog Gone; Mr. Mojo; familyop
What Condi and President Bush are doing is very upsetting, and will result in America coming under Judgment from God. He will remove His hand of Blessing and protection from America.

God gave ALL of that land to Israel, and NOT to the Palestinians. They have NO claim to it. President Bush and Condi have sided with the Palestinians and are forcing Israel to give that land to the Palestinians, and because they are, America will be under the wrath (Judgment) of God.

WE will suffer because of their disobedience to God. That's because we elected Bush. I've been concerned that Bush has NOT read the Bible. IF he would have, he would KNOW that what he is doing is going against God's Word, God's plan for Israel. That is where Jesus (Messiah) is going to set up his rule from and it's imperative that Israel be intact.

We are told to Bless Abraham's descendants according to Genesis 12:1-3.

The promise given to Abraham about his descendants is for all future generations. Those who bless them will be blessed. Those who curse (or esteem them lightly, as the Hebrew word implies) will be under a curse.

This continues to be seen in the way God deals with nations who turn their backs on His chosen people, the Jews.

This is indicated clearly in the closing words of John's Revelation when the names of Israel's twelve sons still adorn the gates of the new city, the twelve Jewish apostles written on the foundation stones that of the city that will house the nations.

God's redeemed people come from every nation, tribe, tongue and people, but their conduit nation into the Presence of God is the nation of Israel. THAT is why Condi, Bush, any nation or people who turn their backs on Israel is going to incur the wrath of God. The terrible things happening in America today, cannot compare with what's to come.

Bless Israel and the Jews and Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem. THAT'S all according to Scripture.

37 posted on 10/11/2006 10:20:32 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (THOSE WHO LIVE BY THE SWORD GET SHOT BY THOSE WHO DON'T.)
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To: Sabramerican

38 posted on 10/11/2006 10:34:52 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Liberty Valance

39 posted on 10/11/2006 10:37:18 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: The Westerner

The sad thing is that this shows that terrorism works.

The only reason the world pays attention to the Palestinians is because of terrorism and latent antisemitism to some extent, but terrorism mainly.

You never hear one peep about the Tibetans, the Northern Cypriots, the Uighurs in Xinjiang, the Germans in the Danzig corridor and East Prussia, etc... Why? Because they don't use terrorism.

Terrorism makes people pay attention. It works. As Metallica once sang, sad but true.


40 posted on 10/11/2006 10:46:23 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: traviskicks

ping


41 posted on 10/11/2006 10:54:16 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Sabramerican

She irritates me more and more each day.


42 posted on 10/11/2006 11:41:52 PM PDT by Maeve
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To: Dog Gone; Mr. Mojo; thoughtomator; Sabramerican
"...free of the humiliation of occupation..."

I am so sick-and-tired of the 'bullshit' called 'occupied territories'!

When the British partitioned 'Palestine' around 1948, it was a 'Take-and-hold-the-land' situation for Israel, so they did just that.

Subsequent wars finally annexed the so-called 'West Bank', and the 'Gaza Strip', land on the original partition map, so that land IS Israel!

The Golan Heights (Syrian) had to be occupied to stop Syria from shelling Israeli towns. Southern Lebanon - same-shit, different-day.

Now by next April, 2007, all that will change. Their new Northern Border may extend to HIMS!

Should be interesting................FRegards

43 posted on 10/12/2006 12:24:12 AM PDT by gonzo (.........Good grief!...I'm as confused as a baby in a topless club!.........)
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To: Sabramerican

She should go back to Stamford. Now.


44 posted on 10/12/2006 5:25:31 AM PDT by RoadTest (The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.)
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To: Sabramerican

It's in writing--Rice is a proven dupe of the Palestinian thugocracy. Will all the Condi lovers STFU and stop promoting her for 2008 now?

I doubt it. I look forward to the excuses.


45 posted on 10/12/2006 6:36:17 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Mark Foley is what happens when personal character isn't relevant to voters or party leaders.)
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To: Sabramerican
This is the kicker...

"There could be no greater legacy for America," Rice told the group, which describes itself as nonpartisan and supportive of a Palestinian state living side by side with Israel."

Its crap like this that tempts me to stay home on election day. But...the other side is worse. I think.

46 posted on 10/12/2006 6:38:19 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Sabramerican

Joel 3:2 and Daniel 11:38-39

tick, tick, tick ...


47 posted on 10/12/2006 6:40:19 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Sabramerican

I must go back and review American history and see whether the Founding Fathers considered the goal of a Palestinian state to be the greatest legacy of America.


48 posted on 10/12/2006 6:42:49 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Sabramerican
"The Palestinian people deserve a better life ... free of the humiliation of occupation," she said

Then why isn't Rice pressuring Jordan to give them that "better life free from humiliation" by allowing them to return to the nation of which they were citizens prior to 1948, aka Jordan? Could it just be that the Pallies are such an unruly mob of murderous thugs that no Arab nation wants them living in it's midst?

But first of all, let's make it clear about who is occupying whose land in the ME. The so-called Palestinians, and tens of millions of other Arabs, are presently occupying land which has belonged to Israel since ca 1900 BC when it was officially deeded to Abraham and his progeny through Issac and Jacob, see Genesis 15:18 and 17:19-21.

If any group of people in the ME is being denied access to land which they own it's the Israelis.

49 posted on 10/12/2006 7:30:42 AM PDT by epow ("An unarmed man can only flee evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." ...Jeff Cooper)
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To: veronica

I assume you saw the Path to 9/11. There is a crucial scene that I haven't seen discussed on FreeRepublic. Maybe because Clinton can't be blamed.

We know 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. It was supposed to be 16 of 20.

The scene involved a Saudi attempting to enter the US in Florida. A naturalized Cuban American customs officer rejects his entry into the US. (This caused United 93 to be a man short and possibly saved the Capitol when the heroes attempted to take back the plane).

Another hero is the Cuban American officer who is told in the movie by his colleague that he will get into trouble "because we are supposed to be lenient with Saudis" (near exact quote).

This story is absolutely true. I witnessed the actual customs officer when he was interviewed by Joe Scarborough on his show some time ago. He said there the same thing. They had instructions to treat Saudis deferentially. He was warned his career could be hurt by rejecting that Saudi (terrorist) from the US. The man is a real American hero. Not owned by the Saudis.

Wish we could say that of others.

The first time Bush held hands with the Saudi pric.. it jarred me but I allowed myself to rationalize it away.

The second time I became convinced.

And now Woodward's book- I understand- explains that Bush pretended to be pro Israel with Saudi acquiescence for election purposes (I guess they learned from the experience of Bush I).

There isn't a Bush Mideast policy that you can not explain if you look at it through Saudi interests.


50 posted on 10/12/2006 8:01:17 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bush Doctrine- Old: Fight terrorists. New: Cease fire with terrorists.)
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