Skip to comments.Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official
Posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by lizol
Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.
WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."
"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.
Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."
The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.
Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.
"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."
The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.
The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.
Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.
A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.
Without question, we're all fully capable of lying. Calling the theory of evolution a "science" - calling something a thing which it is not - what do we call that? I'll be charitable and call it a "misnomer."
Sure, but you said you wouldn't accept the fossil record. Of course, there is also the DNA evidence, but you probably won't accept that either. Besides, man has already evolved from an earlier species; such an event will never happen again according to the ToE.
BTW, evolution deals with ALL organisms, not just people.
Good to hear someone who agrees with me. After the last time I disputed evolution here I got a little keyboard shy about it. Apparently the Darwin crowd feels that if you disagree with them it is because you aren't nearly as smart as they are and just don't understand. They ganged up on me. I thought it best to leave it alone, but I don't buy into evolutionary theory.
I await the post that asserts Charles Darwin was the originator of Stalinism, the Holocaust, advisor to Pol Pot, and single-handedly conspired to fluoridate the water supply.
So it's the courts that establish what is and is not science? Who'd a thunk? I do not trust Judge Jones's opinions, no matter how popular he may be with evolution's faithful. I also do not trust people who cannot speak tentatively when they are dealing with tentative ideas. It kind of makes them look like, well, "useful idiots."
"We are being attacked by the educated, intelligent part of society."
"Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."
And they are.
God bless Poland.
But they're more than lies as they are intent on poisoning the minds and spirits of our children with un-Godly thought.
There are hundreds of theories taught in the typical biology textbook and curricula, the vast majority of which are taught entirely "matter of factly" and aren't even identified as "theories". Evolution is always among the few, if not the only, theory that is so identified, and it is invariably, and by far, the least dogmatically presented.
So how can this be your "only objection" when every other theory is taught far more dogmatically? Why don't you guys ever object to the theory of photosynthesis (for instance) being taught "as fact"?
The pretense that this is a matter for principle with antievolutionists is pointless. We all know it's special pleading, and for the fact of the matter, so do you.
Ah, but evolution IS a science. It's the best explanation of how we got here, given the evidence available. It's modified as new information is discovered, ideas discarded or confirmed.
Personally, I don't see a problem with a Divine input into this process. There is, however, no evidence of a 6-day Creation, a global Flood etc etc: ie, th Biblical account of Creation is simply a story, no more than that.
The fossil record does not offer an observed instance of man evolving from another species. It offers samples from which, by observation, we may reasonably infer as much. If one cannot tell the difference between direct observation (experience) and inference, how should one expect him to know the difference between science and philosophy?
Darwinism needs to be moved to the study of religion and philosophy or perhaps to the soft science of Anthropology inasmuch as it is really a Victorian era myth.
So who is to decide what is scientific or not? Do you trust priests or pastors or mullahs or wiccams to decide that? Do you trust psychics and purveyors of magnetic anklets to decide that? Or do you think the properties of atoms and DNA should be decided by majority vote?
There are many scientific disciplines that may be used to support the philosophy of history known as "the theory of evolution." As a whole however, the theory of evolution is not science. It isn't even useful as a so-called science. If one wants usefulness and progress out of science, then he should take up intelligent design, without which the universe would be neither useful nor intelligible.
It did no such thing. The evolutionist faithful are simply indulging in further wishful thinking by asserting as much. A single court decision does not have the capacity to determine what is or is not science. Even by common use of language it does not make sense to call a tangible, directly observable process (intelligent design) "unscientific", let along "religious" or "supernatural." Science itself cannot objectively determine what is or is not supernatural. Do you really think "expert testimony" will sort it out for us all?
Ah, most posts are mere rehashes of old phrases, so I always enjoy some new phrases.
But could you give an example of the kinds of unGodly thoughts you are concerned about? You didn't mean sex, did you?
Yes, dumbing down a whole country is certainly the path to riches.
There's always the madrassa option!