Skip to comments.FBI director wants ISPs to track users
Posted on 10/17/2006 10:08:05 PM PDT by Panerai
FBI Director Robert Mueller on Tuesday called on Internet service providers to record their customers' online activities, a move that anticipates a fierce debate over privacy and law enforcement in Washington next year.
"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.
"All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims," Mueller said. "We must find a balance between the legitimate need for privacy and law enforcement's clear need for access."
The speech to the law enforcement group, which approved a resolution on the topic earlier in the day, echoes other calls from Bush administration officials to force private firms to record information about customers. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, for instance, told Congress last month that "this is a national problem that requires federal legislation."
Justice Department officials admit privately that data retention legislation is controversial enough that there wasn't time to ease it through the U.S. Congress before politicians left to campaign for re-election. Instead, the idea is expected to surface in early 2007
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Uh oh...here we go.
I just came from a thread about Internet addiction...they are all going to be over here in a few minutes...:)
The words of a tyrant.
Depending on what they want to track, anyone can be found guilty. Visiting a conservative site, for instance.
Robert Mueller can make a hermetic seal between his lips and my ass.
Much easier to just have to deal with Comcast or other cable co. and then deal with the local phone company that provides DSL.
If you always think about how a law can be abused by the police or government, then I don't like it.
If you feel that you are safely practicing your 1st amendment rights and aren't going to be in anyone's crosshairs...then it's a good law.
Better watch out, language like that against the government might soon be enough to have you declared an enemy combatant.
I'm waiting for the usual suspects to come marching in and defend this LATEST assault on our liberties at the hands of our Benevolent Leaders.
Don't worry, between Congressional oversight and FISA Courts, such abuses could never happen here...oh, wait.
When we get to Gotmo, I call top bunk.
You'd be guilty of thoughtcrime. As was the judicial nominee who was asked if he was now or had ever been a member of a Constitutionalist organization.
Conservative thought WILL be criminalized if the left gets their way.
This plan is made of 24k failure.
Nick Berg loaned his laptop AND his email password to Jose Padilla in Oklahoma and we are told that nothing funny happened.
EVEN WITH email and internet wiretaps on US citizens, they'd still miss the plots. This is all for putting the pieces together after the fact.
We had the pieces to determine the 9-11 threat (if not the full scope). People were prevented from talking to one another.
Amen to that. They need to fire Gonzales and scrap the department. The Homeland Security Deparment is going to cause more trouble than it's worth.
I'm a terrorist plotting my activities in America and I know this has been enacted. Here's what I do.
1. Communicate from public hot spots. Whether a McDonald's, Starbucks or public park with Wi-Fi access.
2. I use municipal provided Wi-Fi from a laptop by going to out of the way places. You know we'll have to start looking for guys using laptops in dark alleys.
3. I rent an apartment in a multi-unit dwelling and look for unsecured connections in my building never having subscribed to an ISP.
Those three scenarios alone make it 100% impossible for this to be an effective law enforcement or intelligence tool. There are way too many ways to access the internet on shared connections.
I didn't even start on using libraries, Kinko's/FedEx stores wired connections where public internet access is possible on a wired connection.
As much as I would like to see government have tools to track would be terrorists this has more problems than solutions.
Sounds like a fluffy name for a deranged triumverate of dictators. Much like "Dear Leader" is for Kim Jong Il.
Or if Hillary gets elected.
Terrorists plan terror in houses and apartments all over the U.S.. We need cameras in every private abode as:Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, for instance, told Congress last month that "this is a national problem that requires federal legislation."
Sounds like TOR is a haven for perverts.
Child molesters are everywhere, and they can look like anyone! Obviously, the only solution to this CLEAR and PRESENT problem is to incarcerate every American over the age of 17.
Please think of the children.
I figure there is at least one Fed in FR at all times.
do a ZABA search for alberto gonzales.
they are as thick as cucaraches
I think that there would be people reading this for good ideas connected to the Feds and I hope being a lot of people here are very smart, but IMO this forum is more likely to pray for America than prey upon it.
I think there are no worries no matter who looks here IMO.
Why stop there, with today's technology, a listening chip could be installed in every American citizen, that could be activated that would "broadcast" every word spoken.
Of course, certain words could be set-up for "auto activation" such as anything against the government or officials.
Please remain in view.
Child molesters are everywhere, and they can look like anyone! Obviously, the only solution to this CLEAR and PRESENT problem is to incarcerate every American over the age of 17."
You realize the wardens would be children?
Why do you hate America? /s
Yes, well, then the feds will have to start having people register their net adapters. Every adapter has a unique MAC address hard coded into it, which is then associated with its assigned IP address.
CompUSA sales droid: Can I help you sir?
Customer: Yes, I'd like this ethernet adapter please.
CompUSA sales droid: Of course sir. If I could just have you fill out this "yellow sheet", we'll get you taken care of.
Yes, I know there is MAC spoofing, but if this crap is allowed to pass, then that will become a felony, even if used for private in-house puposes. And then there's IPv6, where we'll have enough address space to assign an IP address to to every electronic device produced for the next millenium. All registered with your friendly Big Brother.
And of course to follow up; the feds will require that any and all ISP/AP's be registered, and that all have back doors for the NSA supercomputers to download and parse their daily transaction logs.
Next we'll hear from the folks who'll insist that: "If you have nothing to hide, you don't have anything to worry about."
I'm sure it will sound more pithy coming from Tony Snow.
Why do you hate America? /s"
Please have your sarcasm detector serviced. My irony emitter seems to be in working order.
Starbucks all have free wireless.
Maybe Starbucks is a front.
Do FBI agents eat a better class of pastries?
Please have your sarcasm detector serviced. My irony emitter seems to be in working order."
I knew I forgot something this week.Thanks.
Of course, because people are too stupid to read the docs and properly set up their AP's.
But if the MAC and the IPv6 is registered (and no strawman purchases allowed), then you have a small group of people to target.
Of course, the router/WiFi makers will have to start turning on basic encryption and disabling ESSID broadcast by default. And will also require the user, unlike now, to set up their AP properly, and of course with mandatory on-line registration with the proper fedgov authorities.
Give an inch...
Oh and the next thing to be outlawed; PGP or personal encryption programs. Or if allowed, then keys will have to be registered, with the fedgov having a copy, or a third key, for decrypting your communications.
... take a mile...
Not if all devices are registered. If that happens you can black list anything not in the database. Not in the database, not allowed on the net. Or, is subject to intense , unrelenting scrutiny from the second you connect. And if you try and spoof an existing address, that's already connected, red flags go up all over the place.
Trust me, it might be seemingly impossible to you now, but computers are very good at dealing with large amounts of mundane data. And they'll only get better at it; about every 18 months.
Do not let you guard down on crap like this just because you don't think it's possible.
It is a bad law; sets a bad precedent; and will open up a Pandora's box you don't want opened.
Funny. I finally found 'Wild in the Streets' on DVD and watched it a few weeks ago. You just reminded me of that movie.
Plenty would love to search homes without a warrant, too; doesn't make it a good idea.
Why not imprison the entire population, so if one turns out to be a criminal, he is already in jail!
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt
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