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Why Are Democrats Opposed To A Photo ID to Vote? (Flashback 2002)
Google Groups ^ | 10/9/2002 | Ernie Logman

Posted on 10/19/2006 9:53:44 AM PDT by truthandlife

I am certain you all remember that night, that very, very long night in November 2000 when the presidential election stood in the balance in Gore versus Bush. And certainly we all will never forget the ensuing 36-day Florida election debacle involving the Supreme Court. It was the closest general election in history, and it involved voter fraud on an unimaginable scale.

Well, guess what? That's nothing new. Voter fraud has been alive and well in America for decades. It took an event like the 2000 Florida disaster to shed enough light on the subject that something is finally being done (hopefully).

The House has already passed a $2.6 billion elections bill, sponsored by Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky that seeks to:

standardize voting machines; create a national voting holiday; and reduce or eliminate voter fraud. The Senate has recently taken up the bill, which has now grown to $3.4 billion, but it has met with opposition from the Democrats. Now, you might think that is strange. Why would Democrats oppose a bill to clean up elections and prevent a repeat of the Florida morass? After all, it was their guy, Gore, who got the most popular votes, but still lost the election. You'd think they would be leading the charge!

The problem for the Democrats is the bill calls for voters to produce a photo ID in order to vote. We're NOT talking about a National ID Card here. Just a simple photo ID like your drivers license or anything that can identify you with a photo. The Democrats, at least many of them, are for a National ID Card, so what's the problem with a photo ID to vote?

We hate to say it, but a photo ID makes fraud extremely difficult. Democrats want to keep the current antiquated "signature verification" system, which makes fraud fairly simple. Why? Because the Democrats have benefitted greatly from voter fraud in the past.

A few of you may be thinking: Spencer is just spewing more ultra-right, biased rhetoric, but let's look at some historical examples.

Election 2000: In Wisconsin, local DNC operatives were bribing the homeless with cigarettes and beer to vote for Al Gore. In Missouri, a local Democratic judge forced the polls to remain open longer than allowed, a direct violation of federal election laws. In Florida, all of the voting counties in question were major Democratic strongholds. There were other examples, but you get the point.

Lets look at another notorious election, 1960. Kennedy won by carrying Illinois and Texas. It is widely known that Chicago mayor Bill Daley, Sr., with the help of Sam Giancana, delivered the state for Kennedy. While in Texas, "Landslide Lyndon" and Duval County did the rest. You know LBJ was fond of saying, "Hell, the dead have a right to vote too." And they did, every hour on the hour and in alphabetical order. But that's all history. Let's not be bitter.

The Democrats argue that the current voter reform bill will "disenfranchise" countless numbers of voters. How does requiring a simple photo ID disenfranchise someone? Perhaps because it prevents illegal aliens and dead people from voting!

Civil rights groups complain that these new measures will disenfranchise voters who don't have the proper documentation with them, and that it will effect poor and minority voters in a disproportionate manner. They conveniently fail to point out that these groups are big Democrat strongholds.

How do we respond? First of all voting is a sacred event that is not even allowed in over half the world. If you don't care enough to have the proper documents, like a drivers license, student ID, etc. when you go to the polls, too bad, in my opinion. And do you really believe that the poor and minorities don't already have some type of photo ID? Please! Have we already forgotten the Clinton-era motor-voter bill?

Another Democrat argument says that the bill is burdensome on states that vote by mail, such as Oregon and Washington. Hmm... Washington and Oregon almost always cast their combined 19 electoral votes for, you guessed it, the Democrats. Mail-in voting is riddled with fraud in a big way. Here is a great example. You may recall that Ms. Mabel Mackall Briscoe signed-up her three year-old Jack Russell Terrier, Holly, to vote through motor-voter registration. Thanks to motor-voter type programs, Mabel and her dog have been voting for years. So have untold numbers of fictitious voters. Folks, this has to stop! Let's respect and protect this precious right to vote.

On March 1st, it seemed that the voter reform bill was dead. The Democrats would not budge on signature verification. But on March 5th, Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat-Oregon no less, had some back bone and declared that the bill was not dead. Momentum resumed.

The Democrats have since come around, sort of. They have (as this is written) agreed to back-off on signature verification and to allow the photo ID, but not until 2004. Voters in Washington and Oregon will still be able to vote by mail, but they will have to provide a photo ID when registering.

The Republicans appear to be ready to go along. Nice break for the Dems! With their poll numbers looking as bad as they do today, and with a president who still has an 80% approval rating, the Dems are going to need all the votes they can get come November.

Is it too much to ask in this, the greatest of all democracies, the bastion of freedom and opportunity, that we have a fraud-free election process? I think not! America is an emblem of justice and our voting system needs to reflect that.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: democrats; votefraud

1 posted on 10/19/2006 9:53:45 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife

Easy. Less chance to cheat.


2 posted on 10/19/2006 9:54:35 AM PDT by My2Cents (The Democrat Party's '06 platform: Offering a "Suicide Pact With America.")
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To: truthandlife

Dead people don't look good in photos.


3 posted on 10/19/2006 10:01:37 AM PDT by msnimje (Democratic Leftists are nothing like LIBERAL. They are intolerant and intellectual cowards.)
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To: msnimje
Prisoners have had their pics taken already....
4 posted on 10/19/2006 10:06:29 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: truthandlife

Dump their finget in purple ink like they did in Iraq, that will seperate the double voters.


5 posted on 10/19/2006 10:06:41 AM PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: truthandlife
" Chicago mayor Bill Daley, Sr."

This guy doesn't even know who the mayor of Chicago was, it was Richard J. Daley Sr.

6 posted on 10/19/2006 10:07:29 AM PDT by DaiHuy (I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it worse)
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To: DaiHuy
" Chicago mayor Bill Daley, Sr."

This guy doesn't even know who the mayor of Chicago was, it was Richard J. Daley Sr.

Maybe that was one of the other names he registered to vote with.

7 posted on 10/19/2006 10:11:00 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (I fear that we are the RINOs. The real Republican party is the big government Dem-lite party.)
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To: truthandlife

Democrat call to vote: "Bring out your dead!!"


8 posted on 10/19/2006 10:22:44 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: truthandlife

Good article, but you should have noted the correct publication date: Wed, Oct 9 2002

Jonno


9 posted on 10/19/2006 10:32:22 AM PDT by jonno
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To: truthandlife

Because picture id is issued by the government. That means you have to have governmental PERMISSION to exercise your right to vote.


10 posted on 10/19/2006 10:55:13 AM PDT by SmartAZ
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To: SmartAZ

SmartAZ member since TODAY.

Looks like the trolls are out in full force. It happens every time around election time.


11 posted on 10/19/2006 11:18:40 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: truthandlife

I'm in Georgia and some judge ruled showing a picture ID to vote as against my civil rights.

I went to Party City to buy kid's Holloween costumes last night. When I gave them a debit card I had to show a picture ID.

Question - If I go to vote in costume do I need to show an ID?


12 posted on 10/19/2006 11:21:21 AM PDT by Republican Red (if you don't want to root for the home team then get the hell out of the stadium)
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To: truthandlife

They probably believe that a person dumb enough to listen to their bilge is not smart enough to obtain a photo id.


13 posted on 10/19/2006 12:00:31 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: truthandlife
Why Are Democrats Opposed To A Photo ID to Vote?

When did Republicans become FOR a photo ID to vote? As a Conservative, I'm against it.

14 posted on 10/19/2006 12:01:27 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Pornography kills - a man's soul, a woman's spirit, a child's body.)
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To: My2Cents
Easy. Less chance to cheat.

Exactly. There is NO other reason to oppose photo IDs and proof of residency. Dems are so transparent.

15 posted on 10/19/2006 12:01:46 PM PDT by madison10 (Live your life in such a way that the preacher won't have to lie at your funeral.)
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To: SmartAZ
Thumb prints preferable I suppose.
16 posted on 10/19/2006 12:05:35 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: SmartAZ

That means you have to have governmental PERMISSION to exercise your right to vote.....Oh, horseshit. Agitate elsewhere, troll.


17 posted on 10/19/2006 12:07:10 PM PDT by Safetgiver (Stinko De mayo, Stinko to the Commies.)
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To: truthandlife

They were then and they are now concerned that their core constituencies will be disenfranchised. Illegal-Alien-Americans and Dead-Americans find it difficult to obtain picture IDs and would be discouraged from voting.


18 posted on 10/19/2006 12:14:46 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: truthandlife

"In Florida, all of the voting counties in question were major Democratic strongholds..."



I always found it amazing how the Democrats and their media brethren were allowed to get away with crying disenfranchisement in minority communities when those very communities were controlled by Democrats. Heck, the disputed "Butterfly Ballot" was the creation of Theresa Lapore--a Democrat, who was only trying to help seniors by enlarging the text and making it more legible for them.

The hypocrisy in all this is that Democrats were allowed to accuse Republicans of disenfranchisement when in fact, it was their own elected representatives who were the ones responsible for every problem that existed. Even the claims of revenue disparity is a farce when you consider that pencil and paper has worked fine for centuries--not to mention the reoccuring problems and paranoia that now exists thanks to the "new" technologies.

Sadly, Democrats are reaping what they have sown for decades. They've decided to spend (waste) money on entitlement programs rather than update and educate their constituents on the electoral process. This is a rather amusing irony; in the Democrats attempts to dumb-down their own constituents and create a completely dependent people, they've created a segment of society that couldn't even follow directions. This was never more evident as we watched bus loads of people dropped at polling places with little knowledge of how to actually vote correctly.

Adding to the irony of the Democrat's calls for new and improved computerized terminals, is their ignorance that many of these same constituents may fall into the category of techno-phobes. Whether it's senior citizens or low-income folks, the prospects of embarassment and/or fear of technology may keep more of them away from the polls. This is even more likely as Democrats cry foul and fraud over the new voting systems--basically telling many of these same people that their votes aren't being counted. With the Democrats constant claims of disenfranchisement and voter-fraud, many of thier constituents may just say the heck with it...especially if my vote isn't counted.


19 posted on 10/19/2006 4:49:02 PM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *sses.)
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