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Baptist 'exit strategy': Groundswell of support for exodus building
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/20/2006 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 10/20/2006 1:24:53 PM PDT by achilles2000

If you like sexually transmitted diseases, shootings and high teen pregnancy rates, by all means, send your children to public schools. That's the word from a leader in the fast-growing movement within the 16 million-member Southern Baptist Convention for parents to pull their children from those schools in favor of homeschooling.

Pastor Wiley Drake

The program is called Exit Strategy and Pastor Wiley Drake, whose home state of California has done some things especially offensive to Christians this year, is a leading promoter.

In an interview with WND, he said that those problems and others are prevalent in public schools, and some Christian leaders even have said it could be considered child abuse just to register children in such a facility....

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KEYWORDS: baptist; educaton; exodus; homeschooling; moralabsolutes; publikskoolz; schools; southernbaptist; wileydrake
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To: achilles2000

As I recall the fellows doing the most hollering on this aren't laymen. And personally I've found their remarks and assumptions rather insulting.


61 posted on 10/20/2006 5:57:23 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: swmobuffalo

I'd be interested to know who is doing the hollering from your point of view. Just curious...


62 posted on 10/20/2006 6:03:07 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: swmobuffalo

I'd be interested to know who is doing the hollering from your point of view. Just curious...


63 posted on 10/20/2006 6:03:09 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Welcoming purpose-driven, seeker-sensitive, and emergent doctrines that tear folk away from Scripture in favor of pleasing man.

That is not true.

64 posted on 10/20/2006 6:15:38 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist ping list-freepmail to get on or off)
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To: Cicero; tutstar; WKB; Tired of Taxes; voletti; Republicanprofessor; mcvey; JamesP81; Tribune7; ...
"It's a real shame that the "spirit of Vatican 2" led to the closings of so many parochial schools."

Right. I'm interested in growing the number of homeschoolers, but the really HUGE change could come if the Baptists could use their existing facilities to multiply the number of church-related schools.

At their peak in 1965, Catholic parochial schools in the United States constituted the largest non-government school system in the world, enrolling 5.5 million American students. This system has shrunk to a mere 40% of what it used to be, enrolling just 2.3 million students in 2005-06.

There are demographic and sociological reasons for this: many of the schools were founded to serve ethnic parishes with lots of immigrant parishioners --- inner-city Poles, Italians, and Slovaks who have long since integrated culturally and moved to the 'burbs.

But the main reason, I think, is the disastrous drop in the number of religious sisters who used to staff the schools. Nationally, the number of religious sisters has plunged from 180,000 in 1965 to 68,000 in 2005.

To be frank, the nuns worked "for a prayer" and practically lived on air. They were dedicated, most of them were young (back in 1965) and most were very competent and effective teachers.

I am excited and thrilled that the Baptists are talking about using their existing buildings to start Baptist schools and pull as many kids out of the public schools as possible. But I wonder how they can affordably do it without a cadre of teachers who will be as dedicated (and low-paid) as the splendid cadre of nuns who taught me when I was growing up.

But there are possibilities. Internet and satellite education... hmm... Well, go get 'em. Baptists, my hat's off to you. I wish you all the best!

65 posted on 10/20/2006 6:27:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The public schools are the reproductive organ of the secular leviathan.)
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To: Nightshift; WKB; Sybeck1; pamlet; aumrl; mariabush; nmh; Ingtar; Blogger; Sweet Hour of Prayer; ...

Baptist ping...

hot topics today, tongues and exit strategy


66 posted on 10/20/2006 6:40:15 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist ping list-freepmail to get on or off)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes, it's a sad thing about the nuns. But it could still be turned around. Our parochial school here in Montpelier, VT, although things are still pretty tough, has been on an upward path these past few years, mostly because of strong parental concern and great lay leadership, even though the whole diocese was left in sorry shape by the last bishop.

And while some orders of nuns are dying, others are thriving.

I find that I am donating regularly to one religious order of nuns that consists mostly of very old nuns who are terminally ill and dying, with few younger sisters to support them, as they should be doing, because they all jumped ship. A sad business, but someone has to support these sick and elderly nuns.

At the same time I am donating to a younger order who just keep drawing in more and more young postulates, and are bursting at the seams and having to put up new buildings and expand them in mid-construction.

As Fr. Benedict Groeschel pointed out in an article I read some years ago, it's in the nature of things that old institutions grow corrupt and die, and they simply may not be salvageable. But then new ones come along to take their place. In the case of religious orders, this has happened recurrently for more than a thousand years. So, possibly the Jesuits might die out completely, which would be sad, but some other order will spring up to take their place.

The Baptists can do it, if they set their minds and hearts on it. God will support that kind of genuine commitment if it is truly performed in His name.


67 posted on 10/20/2006 6:46:38 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: kitkat

We were able to get a number of churches involved in the new school. Our church has singlehandedly carried the burden for our own school here and it's tough to do that. We have some great teachers and students. I'll miss them when they move to the other school. It's been a financial struggle for us but it's now beginning to take off.


68 posted on 10/20/2006 6:58:22 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: kitkat

That's what I was talking about. What is it with these liberals? They drive me up the wall...


69 posted on 10/20/2006 6:59:17 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: achilles2000

"who is doing the hollering "

Off the top of my head I can't think of the two guys that introduced the resolution regarding homeschooling at the SBC convention last year and this year. Both I think are pastors in Texas.


70 posted on 10/20/2006 7:12:29 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: achilles2000
"That is exactly right...and I wish the Catholics had not listened to the Vatican II promoters and kept their system intact. Many people don't know that the Catholic system in Chicago was larger than the government system in the 1950's. Would someone tell the Pope to get on this? ;-)"

Oh, I agree 100%. But I suspect the pope will tell US to get on this...;o)

Seriously, read this history of these schools. It wasn't any top-down, directed-from-the-Roman-Curia thing. It was tough, God-loving, dedicated pioneers like Mother Frances Cabrini and Mother Elizabeth Seton who had 2 teachers and $20 and a pile of cinderblocks, and said, "Sweet Jesus, We're building a school."

71 posted on 10/20/2006 7:12:33 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (L'Chaim.)
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To: stands2reason

See post #26.


72 posted on 10/20/2006 7:14:54 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (L'Chaim.)
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To: achilles2000

how about attention homeschoolers:

Do you really think a Democrat Party majority, which is proped up by the NEA and the FTA is going to just let people NOT go to public school?

In germany they are putting home school parents in Jail.

If Baptists want to home school they had better know where their best chance of independence lies.


73 posted on 10/20/2006 7:18:24 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: kitkat

I think I have heard this before. Oh, yes. "Come out from among them, be you separate, and touch not the unclean thing." Someone smarter than me said that once.


74 posted on 10/20/2006 7:20:39 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Wouldn't that image better apply to a kid in a government school? It's best to home school or pay for private education.

The way you're acting, I would guess you have kids, and you sent them to the government for an education. Nice.


75 posted on 10/20/2006 7:47:49 PM PDT by NapkinUser (http://www.votegraf.org/)
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To: Wallace T.; WestVirginiaRebel

I understand part of your point, but, respectfully, the founders were 55% Episcopalian/Anglican. There were actually more Catholics than Calvinist founding fathers.


76 posted on 10/20/2006 7:54:20 PM PDT by NucSubs (Islam delenda est.)
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There are a couple of articles about this, too. The more kids are homeschooled or sent to decent private schools, the more hope there is for the future.

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77 posted on 10/20/2006 8:48:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: achilles2000

God bless Pastor Drake and may my fellow Catholics follow his Baptist and Christian lead.


78 posted on 10/20/2006 10:32:12 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Wallace T.
Religions of the Founding Fathers.
79 posted on 10/20/2006 10:48:31 PM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: achilles2000
We Catholics also have to bypass many diocesan bureaucrats (collectively Sister Krupskaya Pantsuit) bent on making our parochial schools no better (and no more Catholic) than the gummint ones and actually worrying about such irrelevancies as certification. As a result, some homeschool (as we previously did) and some who are like-minded have banded together in schools run by the parents (which we do now). No more fights with secular or even diocesan bureaucrats over standards.

We started by putting my eldest in the Catholic parochial school where I was educated many years ago. About six times in kindergarten and first grade, she came home complaining that her teachers had told her that Jesus Christ did not know He was God even when dying on the cross. The pastor was perfectly Catholic but busy as a one-armed paperhanger with a disabled assistant pastor in a very large parish. The principal was a feminist ex-nun of very questionable faith hired by politically correct and religiously porous diocesan bureaucrats. I sent her ten single-spaced pages of protest and other sass, thoroughly footnoted to Scripture and Magisterial documents and then, without receiving the courtesy of so much as an answer while they were busy inviting (until stopped by the pastor) the pro-abort "Catholic" Congresswoman to a fund-raiser, I decided that I had better things to do with my life than waste it writing nastygrams to the likes of her and we started homeschooling. Public schooling was never even considered given my wife's experience in them.

80 posted on 10/20/2006 10:51:55 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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