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I Finally Got Polled!
LA Times, NBC ^ | 10-22-06 | self

Posted on 10/22/2006 7:17:07 PM PDT by MHT

Twenty-five years after registering to vote, I finally got polled by a national news group. And, as usual, Rush was right. However, there are a few things which I want to share.

1. The interviewer really wanted to talk to me. I was on another call and told them to call me back in 10 minutes. They did, indicating to me that they are having difficulty reaching people who wish to talk to them.

2. The questions were phrased in a very subtle way that focused on an anti-Bush agenda. For example, "Do you think that Bush is responsible for the situation in Iraq?" That's a yes/no question. They could have made it multiple choice. At best, Bush gets a 50% chance of being blamed for Iraq instead of insurgents, radical Islam, outside funding, etc.

3. Similarly, other questions required yes/no answers where gradation would have been more appropriate. Only when I said that I couldn't answer yes/no about my approval of Congress was I offered an opportunity to be "supportive", "somewhat supportive", etc.

3. When they asked me who I was going to vote for in the Missouri Senate race, I told them and they immediately asked me if I was sure or if my mind could be changed. Is that really a polling question?

There is no question that this was a Democratically-biased poll and that the information is going to make others like me out to be rich suburbanites who are ignorant Christians living in fly-over territory blindly following a despictable President. If so, I'm proud to have done my share. At least there's one more loyal Republican that they can't ignore.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: blumberg; latimes; nbc; poll
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1 posted on 10/22/2006 7:17:10 PM PDT by MHT
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Actually, they then weight your answer as part of the 35 percent Republicans and take someone else as part of the 65 percent Democrats.

So you get only half a point that they need to count.


2 posted on 10/22/2006 7:20:23 PM PDT by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: MHT

Same here... it was middle of last week. They'd ask a question with multiple parts and I'd argue that the question could contain contrary answers, and therefore invalid.


3 posted on 10/22/2006 7:20:33 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: MHT

They never poll me, maybe that's because I always lie.


4 posted on 10/22/2006 7:22:22 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: theDentist

Did they identify themselves as part of an upcoming LA Times article?


5 posted on 10/22/2006 7:22:33 PM PDT by MHT
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To: MHT

sounds painful :)


6 posted on 10/22/2006 7:22:54 PM PDT by fhlh (Polls are for Strippers.)
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To: MHT
Interesting.

The last question they asked you is where they get "leaners" from ("Are you sure, or could you be convinced otherwise?").

I actually got an authentic poll the other day for the first time in quite a while. All they asked me is if I will be voting for:

Tammy Duckworth (Democrat) or Peter Roskam (Republican)

I answered, they thanked me and hung up. LPI research, I believe.
7 posted on 10/22/2006 7:23:19 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.")
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To: MHT
They are using WMDs on the good citizens. Weapons of mass delusions.
Democrats are going to be extinct as a party over the next two decades.

They will get a bump here and there, but all on the way down down down.
8 posted on 10/22/2006 7:24:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I tell them I'm voting for Santa Claus.


9 posted on 10/22/2006 7:24:49 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: MHT

You must be an anomaly. I get poll calls so much I've started telling them I'm a convicted felon and can't vote.


10 posted on 10/22/2006 7:24:57 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: Navy Patriot
I thought about lying, especially about income. But I figured that one unanswered question, especially as a Republican, might void my other answers. Then I was going to tell them that I was part of the lowest bracket but realized that because I had identified my zip code, they would probably already had our income range. In marketing, zip codes are golden pieces of demographic information so I needed to prove my truthfulness. Someplace in this survey should have been contrary questions to establish consistency but I couldn't figure out where it would have been.
11 posted on 10/22/2006 7:26:14 PM PDT by MHT
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To: MHT

I have been attempted poll repeatedly. I always tell the to go "f" themselves and hang up.


I know where they are headed and quite frankly I don't want them to be able to generate accurate results. Then when the actual election result shows them to be full of s&!t, I am happier that I didn't participate.

Also, if they are getting accurate poll results then it also shows them the issues they need to hammer on to sway the election to the democRATS.

If I do answer I answer with things opposite of what I really think.


12 posted on 10/22/2006 7:27:48 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: Navy Patriot
They never poll me, maybe that's because I always lie.

I bet they poll you all the time and you're just lying about it, as always. ;o)
13 posted on 10/22/2006 7:31:53 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
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To: MHT

"Do you think that Bush is responsible for the situation in Iraq?"

Seems like a poor 'Yes/No' question for a poll trully designed to elicit information, which it probably wasn't.

The answer could be "Yes, the situation would be much worse if Bush had not taken action to oust Saddam."


14 posted on 10/22/2006 7:32:00 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: A CA Guy
I think you're right about the extinction. It may not do much for the greater good as I think politics in general are corrupt, but it will be enjoyable to watch nonetheless.
15 posted on 10/22/2006 7:32:50 PM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: MHT

Tell 'em to wait until the polls close Nov 7 and we'll all find out at the same time. What a concept.


16 posted on 10/22/2006 7:33:06 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: Jaysun

Curses, foiled again!


17 posted on 10/22/2006 7:34:40 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: MHT

I hate phone solicitations so much, I'd probably hang up regardless.

I have sometimes felt guilty about this, because maybe I could make a poll look better if I took the trouble to answer. But from what I see in the media and what you say, I think most of these are push polls, anyway. And I wouldn't put it past them to simply ignore or rule out any answers they don't like.

In other words, it's no longer possible to trust the pollsters.


18 posted on 10/22/2006 7:35:31 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Navy Patriot

We get polled at least once a week. Of course I always answer that Bush is evil and we need all of Congress to be Democratic and all of the state needs to be Democratic. Then the wife and I laugh and laugh seeing the poll numbers being reported. Maybe because we answer as we do is why we keep getting polled. Incidentally we vote straight GOP.


19 posted on 10/22/2006 7:36:43 PM PDT by ProudFossil
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To: MHT
they immediately asked me if I was sure or if my mind could be changed. Is that really a polling question?

Yeah, that's legit.

20 posted on 10/22/2006 7:37:09 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MHT
I had identified my zip code, they would probably already had our income range.

Wait a minute, I thought the evil Bush was eavesdropping on everybody and recording their phone conversations! You mean that it's the pollsters that are spying on us?

21 posted on 10/22/2006 7:38:53 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: ProudFossil

I was telling all my friends to tell the Pollsters Demos all they way , That way after the Election it will be that much more entertaining. They will have to figure out how all those polls can be that far off and Blaming DieBold and ROVE!


22 posted on 10/22/2006 7:39:04 PM PDT by Deek1969
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To: MHT

By the way, when pollsters call me, I poll THEM

1. Are you employed to poll on behalf of any particular candidate or political party?
2. Do you know what "push polling" is?
3. Did your mother have any children that lived?


23 posted on 10/22/2006 7:39:59 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: BipolarBob
I tell them I'm voting for Santa Claus.

My union tells me that the government IS Santa Claus.

24 posted on 10/22/2006 7:42:24 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: KrisKrinkle
Yeah, the question is loaded. It assumed that Iraq is going to hell in a handbasket, and was a nice happy place with flowers and kites and children while Saddam was in power. If you assume both of those things, which the question does, then there is no answer other than that Bush is responsible for "the situation."

I wouldn't expect the MSM to ask someone how they thought things were going in Iraq, of course. And even if they did, the question would just be a different way of asking, "are we, the MSM, portraying the situation in Iraq as sufficiently hopeless?"

Friggin' useless polls.

25 posted on 10/22/2006 7:44:08 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: dljordan

I go them one better .. I have caller ID so I don't answer the phone.

Why should I tell them what I'm going to do - let them think they're going to win and then we'll skunk them election day!! I love it!!


26 posted on 10/22/2006 7:44:39 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: MHT
It is the Patriotic DUTY of all Americans to lie to any and to all pollsters when they call.

Lying about anything that they ask about is a good thing to do.

It is not like really lying, (like lying to your mother or something) ....It is more like stopping people from engaging in a subversive process that is solely designed to negatively impact the only real poll that there is.

The real polls are called "elections."

27 posted on 10/22/2006 7:45:51 PM PDT by Radix (This is my Tag Line.)
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To: ProudFossil
Then the wife and I laugh and laugh seeing the poll numbers being reported.

You deserve a reward for your sacrifice. MHT accurately described the loaded questions you gotta put up with.

28 posted on 10/22/2006 7:46:19 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: MHT

I was polled by CBS News about 2 months ago, and I felt the same way, the questions needed more than a yes or no. But I did get to use "Islamofascist" and could hear the sneer in his tone when I told him I was an evangelical Christian. Even if I wasn't, I would've told him I was.


29 posted on 10/22/2006 7:47:08 PM PDT by eyespysomething (Thou art only mark'd for hot vengeance and the rod of heaven.)
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To: Deek1969
"I was telling all my friends to tell the Pollsters Demos all they way , That way after the Election it will be that much more entertaining. They will have to figure out how all those polls can be that far off and Blaming DieBold and ROVE!"


Not to mention the more the media tells us the Dems will win, the more determined Republicans will be determined to prove them wrong :)
30 posted on 10/22/2006 7:51:38 PM PDT by gidget7 (Political Correctness is Marxism with a nose job)
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To: MHT

Hmmm....I got into a discussion about urban renewal on a listserv and someone wanted the price of new housing to follow a certain price range, with expensive houses integrated in with inexpensive ones. I pointed out this was a stupid idea -- once a house was classified into a certain price range, would its owner be forbidden from selling it at a price outside of that range? Also, when the county reassesses property, they do not examine every property, but rather the assessment of a nearby house carries more influence than one further away.

Someone else took issue with me and asked me why I had chosen to live in such an "economically diverse" area. I crunched the data from census.gov and reported that my lower income neighborhood wasn't as economically diverse as all that. Indeed, it was the affluent part of the county that was economically diverse. That was the end of that discussion.

I'm not sure if that pattern is generally true or not...your comment makes me wonder...hmmm....if you live in a very urban area (say metro LA or Chicago) with very small zip codes, maybe not.






31 posted on 10/22/2006 7:53:02 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: donmeaker

You just don't understand, ALL of the polling organizations HAVE to slant the polls 15 - 25% in favor of democrats to accurately account for all of the vote fraud and illegal aliens...


32 posted on 10/22/2006 7:54:49 PM PDT by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: MHT; hobblemaster

This thread title sounds like a porno flick.


33 posted on 10/22/2006 7:54:56 PM PDT by YourAdHere (Why is it that we can read Foley's e-mails but not Al-Qaeda's?)
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To: MHT

Gallup called me last week. I thought I'd gotten my chance.

Turned out it was a poll of which phone book I use and how often! The guy laughed and said, yeah, a lot of people are disappointed when they find that out after hearing the word "Gallup".


34 posted on 10/22/2006 7:56:50 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I was polled today. I asked repeatedly who the pollster was working for. She kept saying she didn't know, she only is doing the polling. I asked her, incredulously, "You don't know who you work for?" I knew this was a cruddy poll when she couldn't answer me.


35 posted on 10/22/2006 7:57:21 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant Pancake on my Head")
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To: MHT

1. Do you think the war in Iraq is failing?

2. Where do you get your opinion on the state of the war in Iraq? a) Newspapers b) TV News c) Comedy Shows

3. Do you believe our policies in Iraq, and the war on terror in general, should be based upon polls?


36 posted on 10/22/2006 7:59:49 PM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Navy Patriot

I was polled twice. The first time I was a Perot supporter. They stopped asking me questions. During the 2000 race, I told them that I support Raplh Nader. Both of those were lies. Maybe, I have been found out and won't be polled anymore.


37 posted on 10/22/2006 8:02:58 PM PDT by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: scrabblehack

I believe that it's called "geo-demographic clustering" and is used in marketing. A few years ago, politicos were using the same data to immediately air contrary and competitive ads in selected zip codes based on ads or sound bit previously shown by their rivals. The Dems had a national ad program which ran on autopilot by computer and it worked well before the RNC figured out the impact of the GOTV micro-networking.


38 posted on 10/22/2006 8:03:07 PM PDT by MHT
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I have never been polled for a race in which I could actually vote.

I was polled three times for the mayor's race in the city of cincinnati. Trouble is, I don't live within 15 miles of the city limits.

Also, I have now been polled twice for the Second Congressional District (once in the primary, Schmidt vs, McEwen and once in the general, Schmidt vs Wulsin). Trouble is, I don't live there either.

They're getting closer: I'm only 10 miles from that border.

Can't wait to be polled on the Kentucky 4 race. (I live in Ohio.)

39 posted on 10/22/2006 8:06:34 PM PDT by GoBucks2002
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3. When they asked me who I was going to vote for in the Missouri Senate race, I told them and they immediately asked me if I was sure or if my mind could be changed.

That sounds like a classic push poll question to me...

40 posted on 10/22/2006 8:07:28 PM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: MHT

I'll bet they drop you as an "outlier"


41 posted on 10/22/2006 8:09:12 PM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: MHT
Early this year some polling company called me from either Minnesota or Wisconsin, can't remember, and asked if I'd be willing to answer a poll once a week or so. I said I would. They asked a number of demographic questions and said I would be hearing from them. On Sundays, for about a month or so, my phone would ring, I'd answer it, and no one would respond, then they would hang up after a while. I have Caller I.D. After the second time this happened I looked up the area code and it was the same area code as the polling company--which I've forgotten. Anyway, I figured later on one of their poll takers was calling me and hanging on the line long enough to imprint my number on a pen register. Then, perhaps since they knew I was a Republican, filled in the poll questions based on their own leanings. I know. I'm paranoid. But that is why most of these publicized polls are skewed. They are being conducted by part-time workers who are college students, union members, hippies and illegal aliens.
42 posted on 10/22/2006 8:09:43 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: MHT
Usually stating your political party or ideology as being a conservative Republican would disqualify you from even being asked to participate right from the start with most pollsters.
43 posted on 10/22/2006 8:13:21 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: MHT
I finally got polled by a national news group..

What was the name of the group?

I got called about two weeks ago, and it was not a well-known nationally recognized polling outfit like Gallop, or Zogby, or Rasmuessen.

They gave their name so fast I can hardly recall it. It was 'Venus polling group' or something like that.

Anyway, it took about 15 minutes to answer all the questions (and they were definitely skewered against Republicans in very subtle ways.)

Once I realized it was legitimate pollster, my delimma was how to answer. I wanted to answer the questions in ways to put conservative Republicans in the best light, but how to do that??

I had just split seconds to decide how to answer: Should I just be up front and honest about my absolute support for conservative Republican candidates, or should I portray myself as an undecided moderate who has been won over by the GOP because "the Dems are wacky anti-US kooks"?

As a self-proclaimed "moderate voter", would I help show movement toward Republicans if I answered questions while also denouncing the Dems?

Or should I tell the pollster that I never vote Democrat.

Or should I say I voted for Clinton but am now disgusted with the Democrats because of their wimpy position on the War against Islamofascists?

After 15 minutes of topsy turvy questioning, I was confident that I had provided a fairly credible portrayal of an "independant" voter (although I am far from that moniker) who believes the GOP positions to be best for the country.

However, I think I blew it when the pollster asked who I voted for in 2000, Gore or GWB? Followed immediately by 2004, Kerry or GWB?

Somehow I couldn't openly out loud say that I voted for Kerry or Gore, and instead admitted that I voted for GWB both times.

To which the pollster paused for a few seconds, and then said, "Thank you. Our interview is finished."

44 posted on 10/22/2006 8:23:12 PM PDT by Edit35
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To: dljordan

So they mark you down as a vote for the (D) candidate then would be my guess.............


45 posted on 10/22/2006 8:38:11 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: MHT
"Do you think that Bush is responsible for the situation in Iraq?"

That is an unanswerable question. Of course the President is responsible for the situation in Iraq. He gave the command to go in based on evidence presented to him. He makes the overarching policy decisions. He is in charge of the men and women making tactical decisions.

That does not mean a person does not support the decision or the policies. Or that the actions of the enemy are his fault.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I realize the only answer is yes...and 100% of respondents should see it that way.

The difference, however, between us and them is this: do you think of the word "responsible" as a synonym for "blame" or do you think "responsible" means "decision-making problem solver." And therein lies the complete and utter contrast between liberals and conservatives.

Polls are as good at understanding public sentiment as sitting out this election is at sending a clear message.

46 posted on 10/22/2006 8:50:57 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: MHT
should have told them your mind could be changed.

i was polled last week and told them I was voting straight rat.

The Rats are gunna be shocked when the votes don't match their polling data...which, of course, will trigger "Voter Fraud" alerts
47 posted on 10/22/2006 8:55:20 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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You should have recorded it and then made it available here on the internet for dissection and criticism of its bias.

Then a public record of the falsity of these polls could be made available. Such evidence can then be pointed to and thrown in the face of these agenda based poll-takers and be used to discredit and denounce them (and bring them into the light of the Sun where they will wither like the dishonest slugs they are.....)
48 posted on 10/23/2006 12:21:36 AM PDT by wodinoneeye
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To: MHT

I really don't recall who did the polling.


49 posted on 10/23/2006 4:45:01 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: MHT

Caller ID cause me to never get polled.


50 posted on 10/23/2006 4:45:46 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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