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Why Should Christians Vote For Democrats?
Vanity | 10/27/2006 | pgyanke

Posted on 10/27/2006 8:12:49 PM PDT by pgyanke

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1 posted on 10/27/2006 8:12:50 PM PDT by pgyanke
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To: pgyanke

Great post!


2 posted on 10/27/2006 8:13:58 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (If you dont vote on election day, then who are you electing?)
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To: pgyanke

Hmmmm...


3 posted on 10/27/2006 8:14:34 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: MaineVoter2002

Thank you.


4 posted on 10/27/2006 8:17:42 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: pgyanke

"Nancy Pelosi would be second in succession to the Presidency."

Really? There won't be a Vice President?


5 posted on 10/27/2006 8:19:44 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: pgyanke

Excellent, I can never understand when the women I work with all say they are Christians but vote DUMMY.


6 posted on 10/27/2006 8:20:18 PM PDT by Dmitry Vukicevich (Vegetarian: Indian Lingo for lousy hunter)
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To: pgyanke
So ..... Why isn't the NATIONAL Cathoilic Church making the same points?

Do they believe the same lies that the democrats use to intimidate the NE Catholics? (That repubbies are killing he poor, hate minorities, and are cutting the poor's budget and failing to take care of the poor and oppressed?)
7 posted on 10/27/2006 8:20:35 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Salvation; Howlin; american colleen

Your feedback, and that of your ping lists, would be appreciated.


8 posted on 10/27/2006 8:21:24 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: pgyanke
2004 National GOP Platform: Page 84: "We oppose the non-consensual withholding of care or treatment because of disability, age, or infirmity, just as we oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide, which especially endanger the poor and those on the margins of society."

This makes no sense.

They say "euthanasia is also a form of homicide." but then turn around and claim "We oppose the non-consensual withholding of care or treatment because of disability".

Since when is "homicide" OK when it is CONSENSUAL?

9 posted on 10/27/2006 8:21:36 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: pgyanke
Why Should Christians Vote For Democrats?

Because they haven't perfected that martyr complex?

10 posted on 10/27/2006 8:23:32 PM PDT by Tall_Texan ("Journalislam" - reporting about murderous extremists as if they are moral equivalents.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
So ..... Why isn't the NATIONAL Cathoilic Church making the same points?

I think they are cowed as an organization by the IRS implications. The funny thing is, it's Democrat organizations that seek to nullify their tax exempt status. If they would educate the flock in this country... that problem could be put to rest...

11 posted on 10/27/2006 8:23:44 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: gcruse
Really? There won't be a Vice President?

They call him first in the line of succession...

12 posted on 10/27/2006 8:25:01 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: Tax-chick

Ping-a-ding. I value your insight...


13 posted on 10/27/2006 8:26:06 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: pgyanke

Excellent essay, I am glad you posted it and are sending it to friends and relatives. People do need to understand what their vote means.

But just reading the title (as a lot of people do) people get the impression you are advocating that Christians should vote FOR Dems.

You might want to ask the Admin Moderator to add the NOT in your title, as in "Why should Christians NOT vote for Dems".

When you say it, you can convey by the emphasis what you mean, but when it's written, it gives the impression, which is clearly not what you had in mind.


14 posted on 10/27/2006 8:28:34 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Vote Republican. The life you save may be your own. This is not an exaggeration.)
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To: pgyanke
Why Should Christians Vote For Democrats?

Simple answer: they should not.

I would even go so far as to say that any "Christian" who votes Democrat is either not really a Christian, or apostate.

15 posted on 10/27/2006 8:30:37 PM PDT by Disambiguator (If the Democrats were a stock, I would short them.)
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To: FairOpinion

You don't think the question mark makes the point that it's an issue of contention in the article?


16 posted on 10/27/2006 8:31:08 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: pgyanke

One more thing.

Since you've done such a good job with your points, you may also want to include that Dems are against religion, which they are. They want to take God and religion out of every aspect of our lives. Everything from taking "under God" out of the pledge of allegiance, to not allowing kids in school to pray privately, not allow Christmas displays, etc. They are strongly biased against Christians.

I didn't take time to research it and phrase it well,just mentioning the point, I think you can do a good job expanding it.


17 posted on 10/27/2006 8:32:05 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Vote Republican. The life you save may be your own. This is not an exaggeration.)
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To: FairOpinion

I thought of that but it would have expanded the article beyond anyone's desire to sit through. I narrowed my focus to the party platforms and bias against Christianity is implied in what I wrote above. Their actions through proxies such as the ACLU and others would merit a book not an article. Actually, that book has been written... by David Limbaugh, I believe...


18 posted on 10/27/2006 8:34:10 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: gcruse
Really? There won't be a Vice President?

The Vice President in the first in line of Succession.
19 posted on 10/27/2006 8:34:54 PM PDT by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: pgyanke

"You don't think the question mark makes the point that it's an issue of contention in the article?"

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No, the question mark is not enough. As I said, when you would say it to someone, you could ask the question in a way to make it clear that you mean "Why should Christians bother to vote for Dems?".

But when you just read it as a stand alone, the question mark implies that you ask the question of why Christians SHOULD vote for Dems and you will give answers.

I really think it's better to make your major point right in the title, with the addition of the NOT.

In your e-mails, if you haven't sent them yet, I would even make it a statement: "Why Christians should not vote for Democrats". Remember, a lot of people really don't get much past the title, and this way you get the message to those too, then people can read the body of the message to understand your reasons.


20 posted on 10/27/2006 8:37:30 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Vote Republican. The life you save may be your own. This is not an exaggeration.)
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To: pgyanke

Convictions.... Conscience.... Constitution...


21 posted on 10/27/2006 8:37:33 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (All of the answers remain available; Wisdom is gained by asking the right questions!)
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To: Dmitry Vukicevich

Cos they are soft in the head.


22 posted on 10/27/2006 8:43:12 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: FairOpinion

I appreciate your feedback and will definitely consider it. I haven't sent the email yet. Maybe I should put an action line in there near the end about getting priests, pastors and bishops to educate their flocks...


23 posted on 10/27/2006 8:44:25 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: yldstrk

I can't argue with you there.


24 posted on 10/27/2006 8:44:32 PM PDT by Dmitry Vukicevich (Vegetarian: Indian Lingo for lousy hunter)
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To: gcruse

She is second in-line of succession.


25 posted on 10/27/2006 8:45:41 PM PDT by Dmitry Vukicevich (Vegetarian: Indian Lingo for lousy hunter)
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To: pgyanke

I will never believe true Christians can be Democrats, never.


26 posted on 10/27/2006 8:46:15 PM PDT by Brandie (Support American troops and the IDF or bug off and stay out of my life.)
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To: Dmitry Vukicevich

She is second in-line of succession.

Or will be (shudder)


27 posted on 10/27/2006 8:47:27 PM PDT by Dmitry Vukicevich (Vegetarian: Indian Lingo for lousy hunter)
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To: wagglebee

ping


28 posted on 10/27/2006 8:47:49 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: pgyanke

This is a great post. Christians dont vote for the party of death.


29 posted on 10/27/2006 8:48:09 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Brandie

I agree, if you have accepted Christ then their platform is a real turn-off.


30 posted on 10/27/2006 8:48:36 PM PDT by Dmitry Vukicevich (Vegetarian: Indian Lingo for lousy hunter)
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To: pgyanke

You did just fine.


31 posted on 10/27/2006 8:48:41 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I never could understand why so many Catholics that I know vote Dem when so much of what the dem party stands for is in direct violation of the Catholic Church's teachings. How can they do that with a clear conscience?


32 posted on 10/27/2006 8:49:41 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: pgyanke
[ Why Should Christians Vote For Democrats? ]

They shouldn't.. The Democrat Party flys in the face of anything Judeo-Christian.. Neither christian nor Jew should entertain the democrat party.. But then not all christians are christians and not all Jews are Jews...

The difference?... A christian or Jew knows that the American democrat party HATES THEM... It is quite obvious..

33 posted on 10/27/2006 8:50:14 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: gcruse; pgyanke
Pgyanke is correct. Pelosi will be second in succession to the Presidency; NOT second in line. The Succession is 1. VEEP 2. Speaker of the House 3. Senate Pro Tem 4. Secretary of State
34 posted on 10/27/2006 8:50:20 PM PDT by no dems (Who to Identify with: The very NAMES say it all. Free Republic or Democratic Underground?)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Thank you. The discussion and comments are flattering given the talent on this forum.


35 posted on 10/27/2006 8:55:58 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: Brandie

I cannot for the life of me understand how any true Christian could vote for anyone who aligns themselves with a National Party that espouses Abortion, Gay Marriage, Embryonic Stem Cell Research, etc.

But, a lot of old people are Dems because daddy and granddaddy were Democrat. Some are just politically ignorant. I've heard Christians say: "The Republicans are for the rich and the Democrats are for the working man." Sheer ignorance.

And, some say: "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's." (Matthew 22:21) But, how do you separate the two?


36 posted on 10/27/2006 8:56:04 PM PDT by no dems (Who to Identify with: The very NAMES say it all. Free Republic or Democratic Underground?)
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To: no dems
And, some say: "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's." (Matthew 22:21) But, how do you separate the two?

By my reasoning, we are Caesar in this country. The Catholic Church has 2,000 years of dealing with authoritarian-styled governments. They need to learn to focus their energy and education on their flocks before their uneducated flocks vote for governments that oppose them. I have told many priests this and will continue to do so.

37 posted on 10/27/2006 9:01:09 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: no dems

The first two paragraphs are deadly, and they must be dynamite, if you want anyone to read on. Clearly and succintly state your thesis and then point to what you are offering. Something like this, There are five important moral isues that are important in the congressional elections. Please review them below. When you do, I am sur you will agree that Christians should vote Republican.


38 posted on 10/27/2006 9:03:52 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
So ..... Why isn't the NATIONAL Cathoilic Church making the same points?

Well, I can't speak for the National Catholic Church, but I can speak for the parish I attend. Our priest has, without officially stating how we should vote, discussed the sanctity of marriage and how we as Catholics need to support the institution. We have a marriage amendment on the ballot this year in Virginia, and my Church has been guiding parishioners toward preserving marriage. It's done tactfully and without a direct instruction on how to vote.

39 posted on 10/27/2006 9:03:59 PM PDT by Crolis (November 7th: We meet at dawn.)
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To: pgyanke

I don't see how they can. But a lot of them do.


40 posted on 10/27/2006 9:09:59 PM PDT by sport
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To: ClaireSolt

I think you meant your comment to me. I'll work on making my first two paragraphs more catching...

Thank you.


41 posted on 10/27/2006 9:10:00 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: metmom

It's left over from Jack Kennedy being the first Catholic President.


42 posted on 10/27/2006 9:10:38 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: FairOpinion; pgyanke
But when you just read it as a stand alone, the question mark implies that you ask the question of why Christians SHOULD vote for Dems and you will give answers. I really think it's better to make your major point right in the title, with the addition of the NOT.

But on the flip side, the whole point of your email is to influence those Christians that are already inclined to vote for Democrats to vote Republican. I think it would be more likely that they would actually read the email if they initially thought you were giving reasons to validate their choice.

Furthermore, this email is full of information sources that Christians that vote Republican might not be aware of and it could be useful to them. We get so much email that we have to make choices in our limited time as to what we will read and not read. I personally would not have read this post if you had titled it "Why Should Christians NOT Vote for Democrats?" I would have just thought, "DUH!" and moved on, but your title made me want to come see what idiotic reasons there could be and I gained some valuable info in the process.

43 posted on 10/27/2006 9:16:34 PM PDT by Elyse
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To: Elyse; pgyanke
"But on the flip side, the whole point of your email is to influence those Christians that are already inclined to vote for Democrats to vote Republican"


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EXCELLENT POINTS, Elyse! I withdraw my earlier suggestion.
44 posted on 10/27/2006 9:19:37 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Vote Republican. The life you save may be your own. This is not an exaggeration.)
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To: Elyse

Thank you.


45 posted on 10/27/2006 9:20:06 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: no dems
That's assuming the Dems take back the House.
46 posted on 10/27/2006 9:25:33 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: sport
A bumper sticker:

"I vote my religion, I vote Democrat"

I would love to have ask the driver what denomination?

47 posted on 10/27/2006 9:28:07 PM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Gotcha. I was pretty young then.


48 posted on 10/27/2006 9:31:33 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: pgyanke

Danged fine by me. Great post.


49 posted on 10/27/2006 9:33:30 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Just call Me a Rush Limbaugh type of conservative. I ain't cutting and running! VOTE!)
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To: All

UPDATE: I just pushed "send" on my email with some minor updates. Thank you for all of your comments and encouragements.


50 posted on 10/27/2006 9:47:46 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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