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The nasty side of the new GOP
The Star-Ledger via NJ.com ^ | October 23, 2006 | John Farmer

Posted on 10/29/2006 9:58:20 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I guess Dick Armey wanted 15 more minutes of fame?


61 posted on 10/29/2006 3:22:41 PM PST by Maeve
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To: UncleDick
It's been a huge issue for religious conservatives for years now.

Funny, since I'm a religious conservative and never heard of it AND would have opposed it if I had. But looking up the bill in question, it appears that 115 House Democrats -- including Pelosi, Waxman and Waters -- voted for it (this is the gambling bill alone, not the port security thing which passed 409 to 2). Are we supposed to believe these Democrats are in James Dobson's pockets?

62 posted on 10/29/2006 4:19:38 PM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: UncleDick
It's been a huge issue for religious conservatives for years now.

Odd. I'd never heard of it until it was passed. As a long time religious conservative, I find it hard to believe we have a huge issue I've never heard of...

And as noted, the primary beneficiaries will be the casinos. Hmmm....

63 posted on 10/29/2006 4:31:36 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If a Christian theocracy is being formed in the GOP you can fool me. There is a strip bar on every corner in some neighborhoods.


64 posted on 10/29/2006 4:36:10 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"I have no idea about whether John Farmer is a typical liberal columnist, a disillusioned GOPer, or a raving moonbat."

John Farmer hasn't wrote 1 positive thing about President Bush in 6 years. If Hitler was a Democrat Farmer would vote for him.

He is worthless as a columnist and even more worthless as a human being. As you probably can tell, I do not like the man.


65 posted on 10/29/2006 4:59:38 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Obama in 08)
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To: Mr. Brightside

You are correct.


66 posted on 10/29/2006 5:15:13 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: unspun

Actually, I have a "daddy" and don't particularly care for you or the government to be my other "daddy". Sorry.


67 posted on 10/29/2006 5:16:43 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Mr. Brightside
Duke Cunningham, Bob Ney, Mark Foley

Gone. Gone. Gone.

So what's your problem?

68 posted on 10/29/2006 5:24:33 PM PST by AmishDude (Mwahahahahahahahaha -- official evil laugh of the North American Union)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Actually, I have a "daddy" and don't particularly care for you or the government to be my other "daddy". Sorry.

Nor, I you, nor government.

However, government is a moral influence, whether it passes a law for or against a particular -- or merely condones an violation of the truth and the People by shrugging, slouching passivity.

69 posted on 10/29/2006 6:04:03 PM PST by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: unspun

A moral influence? Only in the sense that the government should enact laws against murder, stealing, etc. Otherwise, the government should maintain our infrastructure and leave the rest to the people.


70 posted on 10/29/2006 6:09:32 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: JCEccles
I agree with everything yousaid, but why an ammendment? I oppose marriage being defined by anyone, especially by the homosexuals and the government. The only person with the authority to define such is God. The federal government has no authority in the definition of it. I totally oppose these mock marriages which are based on sodomy, but a Constitutional ammendment is not the way. Especially this one which will grant civil unions which I also oppose and which of course is the same thing.

Under Article IV Section 4, the federal government is obligated to ensure the states their republican governance. True republican governance would never allow homosexual marriage. Judicial fiat is why this is happening, so this ammendment is totally unnecesarry. Also, Article IV Section 1 gives government the license to ignore when a state or federal judiciary goes beyond its bounds anyways and breaches it's "full faith & credit". Besides, what will stop the supreme court from ignoring this ammendment as they have regularly ignored the others? We don't need an ammendment. What we need is government leaders who will stand up and say that all sodomy based marriages are null and void and any judicial ruling which claims otherwise simply breached the "full faith & credit" and will be ignored as well as judges impeached who voted favorably for sodomy based marriages. Though I must admit, we don't have anyone with the fortitude to do such.
71 posted on 10/29/2006 6:25:47 PM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
A moral influence? Only in the sense that the government should enact laws against murder, stealing, etc. Otherwise, the government should maintain our infrastructure and leave the rest to the people.

Every act of basic law is a moral statement. It is the duty of government to protect our rights (which are actually the favor of God and preserved by our goodwill, one to another) and thus the duty of government is inescapably a moral duty.

72 posted on 10/29/2006 6:37:18 PM PST by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: AmishDude
Duke Cunningham, Bob Ney, Mark Foley

Gone. Gone. Gone.

So what's your problem?

My problem is that Armey and Danforth think that Dobson is the problem. But these three have done more to harm the party than Dobson ever has.

So if they want to complain about people, let them start with the Republicans who are dragging the party down this election cycle.

73 posted on 10/29/2006 6:43:49 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: unspun

Ok, so I suppose the government should ensure that everyone is at church on time? Where do you draw the line? I am a big boy and can figure out how to act without you or mommy government getting involved. Thanks for the offer though.


74 posted on 10/29/2006 6:45:15 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Ok, so I suppose the government should ensure that everyone is at church on time? Where do you draw the line? I am a big boy and can figure out how to act without you or mommy government getting involved. Thanks for the offer though.

We draw the line well below looking out for our inalienable rights to Life, Liberty and property.

Figure out whatever you will. You must not murder, etc. (And don't turn right into the left hand lane.)

Please give yourself more credit than childish references to getting to church on time, etc.

75 posted on 10/29/2006 6:48:44 PM PST by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I agree with Armey and Danforth, and am glad to see a few Republicans standing up to the thugs.

Being Republican shouldn't mean you have to believe what Alan Keyes has been advocating for years --- or else.

It's ironic that being Republican to people like Keyes and his supporters only applies some of the time, when they can't shout down the dissenters.


76 posted on 10/29/2006 6:52:13 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: unspun

It's all a matter of where to draw the line.


77 posted on 10/29/2006 6:57:44 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Makes you wonder what the De-Foleyators have on Armey. Those are some very sour grapes. And WHAT NEW AND RADICAL views are now being espoused that weren't part of Armey's platform? Name one. Something very wierd here.


78 posted on 10/29/2006 6:59:17 PM PST by cookcounty (Steele yourself for 2008)
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To: bahblahbah
"No, you have an internet gambling ban to protect our casinos. Social conservatives are the scape goat and you fell for it."

Social conservatives opposed gambling 100 years before Armey was born (maybe it takes him a long time to slog through those history books and he only got to the Puritans yesterday).

But the point is correct. The serious lobbying in this case was by Nevada gaming houses who have shown themselves as fair-weather libertarians. But the left blames Dobson for everything from Acne to Zychosis of the Deep, so why not add this too?

79 posted on 10/29/2006 7:09:49 PM PST by cookcounty (Steele yourself for 2008)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

More MSM BS that bloviates and distorts ...

the Christian conservatives have been in the coalition since before 1980, when moral majority (remember that ?) came to the fore. Then in 1988 Pat Robertson got his minions to become actie in GOP primaries ... the result was a breed of politicians in the 1990s that were social and economic conservatives. Some of these, like John Hostettler, now in electoral trouble, have been the bulwark of the conservative wing of the GOP Congress.

THE BEST ECONOMIC CONSRVATIVES IN CONGRESS HAVE BEEN SOCIAL CONSRVATIVES. Men like Tom Coburn come to mind.

It is a distortion of history to claim that Bush/Cheney is a new trend - wrong! - this has been the trend since before the evangelical Ronald Reagan became President.


80 posted on 10/29/2006 7:10:22 PM PST by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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