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Can't Muslim men control their urges?
The Times ^ | November 2, 2006 | Mary Ann Sieghart

Posted on 11/01/2006 3:50:00 PM PST by MadIvan

All the debate about Muslims and the veil has centred around women. What should they wear and how should they wear it? Perhaps it’s time we looked at what the veil tells us about Muslim men.

The Koran is little help. The verse cited in support of women wearing headscarves or veils is hardly specific: “And say to the believing women to cast down their eyes, and guard their private parts, and reveal not their adornment save such as is outward.” Islamic scholars have argued ever since about what precisely that means.

The presumption, though, is that immodest dress, however defined, will inflame men’s lust. But more extreme Muslim clerics suggest also that if it does, it is the woman who is to blame. Sheikh Taj Aldin al-Hilali, the Mufti of Australia, recently preached: “If you take uncovered meat and place it outside . . . and the cats come to eat it . . . whose fault is it, the cats’ or the uncovered meat’s? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred.”

Unsurprisingly, this has led to a furore in Australia, with moderate Muslims speaking out against the Mufti, who finally agreed to take leave from preaching this week after suffering a minor heart attack. For, coming soon after several particularly nasty cases of gang rape by young Muslim men in Australia, the sheikh’s sermon seemed to be absolving the attackers from responsibility.

In the Sydney case to which he was referring, the 18-year-old victim was raped 25 times by up to 14 men. She hadn’t been walking, skimpily dressed, down a dark alley at 3am. She had been sitting on a train, wearing her best suit for a job interview and reading The Great Gatsby. Yet the rapists still called her a “slut” and an “Aussie pig”.

Of course only a minuscule fraction of Muslim men are rapists; the rest are upright, law-abiding citizens. But the premise of the dress code is still that men’s impulses cannot be controlled unless women hide themselves. Why should not Muslim men start to take more responsibility for their sexual desires, rather than expecting women to dress absurdly modestly, lest the sight of a bare arm or even a lock of hair should lead them to uncontrollable sexual urges?

The Mufti also preached that, in adultery, “Responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement.” Can’t the man be expected to resist the enticement? And what if he entices her?

If it were true that human beings were incapable of reining in their sexual desires, then men should dress modestly, too — otherwise we women would be tempted to jump on men in T-shirts or even those not wearing hats. That is what the Victorians believed: both men and women were covered head to toe for the sake of modesty.

It is the asymmetry that I object to in Muslim thought, the fact that men can wear what they like while women cannot. Are women supposed to be more evolved than men, more in control of their passions? In that case it seems odd that they are not even allowed to enter many mosques, let alone preach in them.

No, Muslim men seem to want to have it both ways. They want complete leadership of their community, with women’s voices seldom heard, but then they are happy to reduce themselves to the status of animals — feral cats in the Mufti’s sermon — when it comes to sex, unable to resist the charms of a woman with an uncovered head.

The issue ranges beyond the Muslim community. For it’s not much fun for the rest of womankind, dressed perfectly modestly in their own eyes, to know that, because their heads are bare or their calves exposed, many Muslim men will see them as tarts.

What is more, Western women are prepared to cover right up if they visit a strict Muslim country where local people would be offended by skimpy shirts or shorts. Yet there are still many Muslim women living in liberal Britain who continue to wear the full veil, hiding their face, whatever offence or alienation it might cause here. For Aishah Azmi, the Dewsbury classroom assistant, to refuse to uncover her face to a class of young children is as culturally insensitive as it would be for me to walk through a Middle Eastern souk in a pair of shorts.

It takes time for cultural change to take its course. I don’t blame Muslim men who were brought up in more traditional countries, such as Pakistan, for holding traditional views about women’s garb. But it is incumbent on the next generation, born and brought up here, to re-examine their parents’ prejudices in the context of this country’s values.

Young British Muslim men, surrounded by respectably dressed non-Muslim women who do not feel it necessary to cover their hair or swathe themselves in shapeless black cloth, ought to realise that such a society can exist without horrific levels of sexual predation. After all, in head-covering Pakistan, according to its Human Rights Commission, a woman is raped every two hours and gang-raped every eight hours.

Whose fault is that?


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Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 11/01/2006 3:50:01 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Mrs Ivan; odds; DCPatriot; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; mtngrl@vrwc; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 11/01/2006 3:50:17 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Their tiny endowments have Muslim men in a perpetual rage which can only be assuaged by brutalizing women.


3 posted on 11/01/2006 3:51:50 PM PST by Argus ("These guys play dirty, and they will play dirty ALL THE WAY, FOR KEEPS.")
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To: MadIvan

Clearly not, that's why they wear diapers. The one on their head is a spare for emergencies.


4 posted on 11/01/2006 3:53:07 PM PST by pipecorp ( Al Lahsucks...Islam: nothing that a good crusade wouldn't fix .)
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To: MadIvan

Quote: "In the Sydney case to which he was referring, the 18-year-old victim was raped 25 times by up to 14 men. She hadn’t been walking, skimpily dressed, down a dark alley at 3am. She had been sitting on a train, wearing her best suit for a job interview and reading The Great Gatsby. Yet the rapists still called her a “slut” and an “Aussie pig”."

Unbelievable....and soon coming to a town near you.


5 posted on 11/01/2006 3:55:40 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: MadIvan

No, no they can't.


6 posted on 11/01/2006 3:56:10 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: MadIvan

No, no they can't.


7 posted on 11/01/2006 3:56:11 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: MadIvan

Almost men will control themselves if there are sufficient social or legal penalties for not doing so.

These creeps are encouraged by their culture to rape women. They should be shot.


8 posted on 11/01/2006 3:58:46 PM PST by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: Tax-chick

That is, "almost all men."


9 posted on 11/01/2006 4:00:12 PM PST by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: vladimir998

Which is why at some point Western women will arm themselves and will not hesitate to shoot a Muslim man as soon as they feel at all threatened. They reap what they sow...


10 posted on 11/01/2006 4:02:40 PM PST by cammie
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To: MadIvan
>"Whose fault is that?

Oh I don't know,, could it be ............................
SATAN


11 posted on 11/01/2006 4:04:06 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jesus Saves~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~muhamhead Slaves)
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To: Tax-chick
You are right. Any man can control his "impulses" if he has a mind to. It isn't that the moslem males (won't call them "men" in this context) "Can't," it is that they don't feel obliged to control themselves. They are the myrmidons of a culture wallowing in sick narcissistic savagery, who believe they have license to terrorize just because they want to.
12 posted on 11/01/2006 4:08:05 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: MadIvan
Can't Muslim Men Control Their Urges?



Goat: "My rear end wishes they could!"

13 posted on 11/01/2006 4:11:46 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: MadIvan

Whoa!


14 posted on 11/01/2006 4:12:19 PM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: MadIvan
Can't Muslim men control their urges?

"So many sheep, so little time..."

15 posted on 11/01/2006 4:13:44 PM PST by RichInOC ("Stampeding hogs." "That's not much of a crime." "Through the Grand Mosque?" "Kinky. Sign here.")
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To: MadIvan

Psychosexual illness runs rampant among Muslim males.

Believe me I know, but not from personal experience Thank The Lord.


16 posted on 11/01/2006 4:15:42 PM PST by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: MadIvan

"The presumption, though, is that immodest dress, however defined, will inflame men’s lust."

I'm of the opinion that God made men and women with a fair amount of lust, for a purpose.

Islam presents an inconsistent notion. On one hand, sex is to be AVOIDED.

On the other men take multiple wives, and have many children with each. Sex here is hardly avoided.

I don't get it. And if I was a woman, I'd get it even less.


17 posted on 11/01/2006 4:21:28 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: vladimir998

where the fu*k are the australian men??????


18 posted on 11/01/2006 4:21:38 PM PST by bubman
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To: MadIvan
It all seems to relate to who they worship. Don't they ask that being for strength? Are they afraid he can't give them fortitude? Can it they are afraid to pray about their short comings? "Oh no. I can't tell my god that I'm a pervert." Weakness abounds.
All the guys know each other and know what their like, so they bundle up their women, then go out side their tribe and prey on women and boys. What a society!
19 posted on 11/01/2006 4:24:20 PM PST by oyez (Why is it that egalitarians act like royalty?)
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To: MadIvan

The Islamic law that prohibits women from going out in public unless accompanied by a male relative is wrong. It should be that Muslimn men should not be allowed in public unless accompanied by their mothers.


20 posted on 11/01/2006 4:25:04 PM PST by san juan
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To: MadIvan
In the Sydney case to which he was referring, the 18-year-old victim was raped 25 times by up to 14 men. She hadn’t been walking, skimpily dressed, down a dark alley at 3am. She had been sitting on a train, wearing her best suit for a job interview and reading The Great Gatsby. Yet the rapists still called her a “slut” and an “Aussie pig”.

I have developed a real pathological Hatred of these korananimals,
time for some medieval punishment as regards muslims

21 posted on 11/01/2006 4:31:22 PM PST by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: MadIvan
The reason islam requires women to be so covered up dates to the episode where mohammed (cbuh) came to visit his son's home one day unannounced. His son was away so his son's wife was a dutiful hostess. However, she was attired in "revealing" garb and mohammed (cbuh) couldn't resist her charms. A short time later, he made her HIS wife. Henceforth, no one was allowed to visit mohammed's (cbuh) home unannounced, and his wives were required to be wearing something like the burka any time they were outside!
YES, IT'S ALL ABOUT MOHAMMED'S (CBUH) INABILITY TO CONTROL HIS LUST!!!!
22 posted on 11/01/2006 4:35:12 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( ISLAMA DELENDA EST!)
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To: truth_seeker; Argus
"The presumption, though, is that immodest dress, however defined, will inflame men’s lust."

If that were true Western men would constantly be chewed up with lust. No telling what they would be committing.

Indirectly, Eastern men are being taught they are weaker and not as good as Western men. So what Argus says is in a big sense true. What they suffer from is not lust of Western women but resentment. Its no wonder they are 1200 years behind the times.

23 posted on 11/01/2006 4:36:24 PM PST by oyez (Why is it that egalitarians act like royalty?)
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To: MadIvan
Can't Muslim men control their urges?

Was that supposed to be a rhetorical question, Ivan?

;-)

24 posted on 11/01/2006 4:40:57 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan
Surely not? ;)

Regards, Ivan

25 posted on 11/01/2006 4:43:12 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Not enough bacon in their diet...


26 posted on 11/01/2006 4:47:42 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: oyez
It all seems to relate to who they worship. Don't they ask that being for strength?

Very interesting question, Oyez.

I have never heard any of them, in the 5 years I've been paying attention, ask their "Allah" to give them strength or wisdom, just this "If it's Allah's will" stuff.

I suspect they don't think they need to pursue goodness to be one with the heaven of the Koran, or their virgins.

Thanks for making that point.

27 posted on 11/01/2006 4:51:03 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: MadIvan
The answer is roght out of the Book of Genesis.

"If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."

Genesis 4:7

The Muslims have rejected God (the real one) and have accepted a cult that tries to deflect the blame for their own sins onto others.

28 posted on 11/01/2006 4:51:52 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
To say nothing of Guinness, mate.

Regards, Ivan

29 posted on 11/01/2006 4:52:06 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Sometimes I read the question, and the answer is so obvious that it makes me wonder why the question was asked in the first place.
;-)

It is good that the new lurkers can read the facts about these things though.

Thanks for posting.


30 posted on 11/01/2006 4:53:55 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
curses be upon him, crumbs be upon him, crust be upon him....
inquiring minds want to know?
31 posted on 11/01/2006 4:54:21 PM PST by Talking_Mouse (wahhabi delenda est)
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To: Tax-chick

....These creeps are encouraged by their culture to rape women....

un mitigated drivel


32 posted on 11/01/2006 4:54:22 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. get wise while yet you may)
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To: cammie

Not feasible in New York.


33 posted on 11/01/2006 5:11:16 PM PST by rmlew (DeathKlok Rules!)
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To: rmlew

Not legal in New York, yet if things become bad, feasible.


34 posted on 11/01/2006 5:19:32 PM PST by cammie
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To: SkyPilot
The Muslims have rejected God (the real one) and have accepted a cult that tries to deflect the blame for their own sins onto others.

Deflect the blame for their own sins onto others....that sounds like the perfect religion for John Kerry.

35 posted on 11/01/2006 5:26:43 PM PST by SHOOT THE MOON bat (A country conceived in liberty cannot deny liberty to the conceived.)
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To: MadIvan

When I was a young teenage girl, with a head full of mush, I used to attend teen dance clubs. I went to one that was full of young arab males. They treated the girls horribly and made all of us very uncomfortable. I never went back and have been wary of arab males ever since.

Until they feel enough pressure to adopt better attitudes toward women, they will never get along in our society.


36 posted on 11/01/2006 5:42:43 PM PST by ODC-GIRL (Proudly serving our Nation's Homeland Defense)
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To: MadIvan; oyez; fanfan; san juan
You people posting here do realize that it wasn't that long ago here in America that good Christian women did not show their ankles in public or leave the house without a covering of some type on their heads and kept their long hair tied up tightly to their heads? You all do know this correct? And you also all know the purpose was modesty, correct? And you know that swimsuits used to have long sleeves and legs on them right?

Fast forward a little in time and the first time Americans experienced real decadence and excess and godlessness on large scale was the roaring twenties. Young women in big cities began to wear less. People were wealthy beyond their dreams. Crime was at an all time high. Prostitution and "foreign film" industry took root with the help of organized crime. Then the floor fell out from under this "utopia".


The next time America fell into a path of decadence was with the youth culture of the fifties. Again, prosperity, crime, young women wearing less and less...and an ever more laxening of morality.

Then in the sixties we got the drug culture, feminists, free love, the pill, and skimpier clothing fashions for young women.

Now today we've got pornography, adultery, abortions, divorces, STDs like it's the end of the world, less and less clothing on females...need I go on?

Now is not the time for us to condemn any culture for it's values regarding modesty. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Our culture is SICK. We all know it. Let's not be liars and bigots about it...that is satan's influence on our minds.

I read these posts and I can't help but see the similarity between the way we are reacting to muslim women and the way feminists react to conservative christian women. Both reactions have an element of rage that I can't help but think satan somehow has a toehold, if not a foothold, in our minds and is influencing our thoughts.


Knock it off, all of you. You aren't acting very Christ-like.
37 posted on 11/01/2006 6:11:41 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Are you the cat or the meat?


38 posted on 11/01/2006 6:15:54 PM PST by Palladin (Vote for Rick Santorum, a true prolife conservative!)
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To: mamelukesabre

What a crock. Name a single time in American history when a woman was responsible for rape. And don't give the the line about, "In courts, lawyers blamed..."

It is the job of a lawyer to blame someone besides his client. It was also a factor in determining if a woman had consentual sex and then changed her mind.

But we have never said that a woman showing her ankles should be raped because she was raw meat, and men cats.


39 posted on 11/01/2006 6:39:49 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: mamelukesabre

"...values regarding modesty..."
Values that proscribe rape and murder for not walking around like a rag-draped zombie in 2006?
Values that ok the murder of a woman by her parents, siblings or anyone else for her manner of dress?

When in our most restrictive period-say the Victorian age, when even the legs of furniture were covered- did anyone declare rape and death upon 'immodest' women? When did our culture take fashion punishment to that level?

Values set a standard of approval, or disapproval ,in a culture. There is NO comparison between how Western cultures react to those who break those rules and the reaction of Islam. When someone in Western cultures tries the ' she deserved it because of her dress' bit, re. attacking a woman, sane people see it for the insane excuse it is.
Islam ,itself, blames the woman and not only exonerates the men, but ENCOURAGES them to do treat a woman like an animal based on her attire!
Shunning and disapproval are lightyears apart from rape and execution!
If you don't see a difference between " Look at that half-naked woman, she looks like a slut dressed like that." and " Look at that woman without a hijab/burkha, rape/kill the slut!" it's frightening as hell.


40 posted on 11/01/2006 6:55:17 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Mr Rogers; Palladin
It figures. You read my post and decide I am condoning raping a woman for dressing provocatively. That's typical. You both need to read it again and this time try hard at NOT convincing yourself of your absolute superiority.

Our beef is with muslim men who follow radical islam. Not muslim women who choose modesty.

This old fashioned concept of modesty that some muslim women persist in believing in is possibly one instance where we, as a culture, might do good to learn something from.

And I don't want to hear any stupid crap about how I'm advocating the torture of women by forcing them to wear burkas.
41 posted on 11/01/2006 6:57:23 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre; Tax-chick; fanfan
"Now is not the time for us to condemn any culture for it's values regarding modesty."

Values regarding modesty are not what is being condemned.

What is being condemned is an inability, or a wanton disregard, for self-control in the face of temptation.

And now is the time to condemn that.

42 posted on 11/01/2006 6:58:42 PM PST by NicknamedBob (I dream the way some people get drunk. I have fun, but I can't remember anything.)
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To: mamelukesabre
You people posting here do realize that it wasn't that long ago here in America that good Christian women did not show their ankles in public or leave the house without a covering of some type on their heads and kept their long hair tied up tightly to their heads? You all do know this correct? And you also all know the purpose was modesty, correct? And you know that swimsuits used to have long sleeves and legs on them right?

Ephesians 5:25:

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her

Let's cut out the nonsense.

43 posted on 11/01/2006 7:00:04 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (Unite)
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To: mamelukesabre

Well- you're going to hear this.
How many women do you think would CHOOSE to obscure their humanity totally, or suffer in layers of clothing, if there were not an element of FEAR involved?
The fear of physical punishment and/or death is very real for some of these women. We can't know how much of their attire is 'chosen' because of 'modesty' until the intimidation and fear is removed as a factor.
With all the reports of family members actually killing their wives/daughters/sisters etc for 'immodest behavior' why do you insist that modesty-not fear- is the motivation for most Muslim women?
Even those who think they choose because of 'modesty' have been programmed to think that way. Psychological oppression, cultural pressure and group-think all play a part in what choices they think they have and are 'free' to make.


44 posted on 11/01/2006 7:07:58 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: MadIvan

Buried Alive: Afghan Women Under the Taliban


by Jan Goodwin

February 27, 1998 Thirty thousand men and boys poured into the
dilapidated Olympic sports stadium in Kabul, capital of Afghanistan.
Street hawkers peddled nuts, biscuits and tea to the waiting crowd. The
scheduled entertainment? They were there to see a young woman,
Sohaila, receive 100 lashes, and to watch two thieves have their right
hands amputated. Sohaila had been arrested walking with a man who was
not a relative, a sufficient crime for her to be found guilty of adultery.
Since she was single, it was punishable by flogging; had she been married,
she would have been publicly stoned to death.

As Sohaila, completely covered in the shroud like burqa veil, was forced
to kneel and then flogged, Taliban "cheerleaders" had the stadium ringing
with the chants of onlookers. Among those present there were just three
women: the young Afghan, and two female relatives who had
accompanied her. The crowd fell silent only when the luckless thieves
were driven into the arena and pushed to the ground. Physicians using
surgical scalpels promptly carried out the amputations. Holding the
severed hands aloft by the index fingers, a grinning Taliban fighter warned
the huge crowd, "These are the chopped off hands of thieves, the
punishment for any of you caught stealing." Then, to restore the party
atmosphere, the thieves were driven in a jeep once around the stadium, a
flourish that brought the crowd to their feet, as was intended.

These Friday circuses, at which Rome's Caligula would doubtless have
felt at home, are to become weekly fixtures for the entertainmentÄstarved
male residents of Kabul. Now that "weak officials" have been purged
from key ministries, says the city's governor, Manan Niazi, who like many
of the regime's officials is also a mullah, the way has been cleared for such
displays. "We have a lot of such unpunished cases, but the previous civil
servants didn't have the courage to do what we are doing. These people
have now been replaced, and these events will continue." In fact, the next
scheduled program, as announced, would be one stoning to death and
three amputations...

http://home.mtholyoke.edu/~mvcarmac/women2.html


45 posted on 11/01/2006 7:18:02 PM PST by Fred Nerks ("Illegitimi non carborundum",)
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To: bert; Tax-chick
"....These creeps are encouraged by their culture to rape women...." -- tax-chick

un mitigated drivel -- bert


I agree. Why did you post it, bert?

46 posted on 11/01/2006 7:30:17 PM PST by NicknamedBob (I dream the way some people get drunk. I have fun, but I can't remember anything.)
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47 posted on 11/01/2006 7:31:02 PM PST by Fred Nerks ("Illegitimi non carborundum",)
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To: MadIvan

Women

Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”
Tabari I:280 “Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.”

Qur’an 4:3 “If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth).”

Qur’an 4:11 “Allah directs you in regard of your Children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females…. These are settled portions ordained by Allah.”

Bukhari:V1B22N28 “The Prophet said: ‘I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.’ When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ‘All the favors done for them by their husbands.’”

Muslim:B1N142 “‘O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell.’ A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah’s Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: ‘You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.’ Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, ‘Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.’”

Qur’an 4:43 “Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving.” [The Qur’an claims women are unclean and polluted—worse than dirt.]

Bukhari:V4B55N547 “The Prophet said, ‘But for the Israelis, meat would not decay, and if it were not for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands.’”
Qur’an 33:59 “Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better.”


Qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

Bukhari:V4B52N143
V5B59N523 “When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed, so Allah’s Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.’”

Bukhari:V5B59N524 “The Muslims said among themselves, ‘Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet’s wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?’”
Ishaq:593 “From the captives of Hunayn, Allah’s Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another.”


Bukhari:V3B48N826 “The Prophet said, ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.’”
Ishaq:584 “Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman.”

Ishaq:185 “In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards.”
Qur’an 24:31 “Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty except what (must) appear; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display them except to their husbands...”


Qur’an 24:34 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here’s the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving.”
Ishaq:469 “The Apostle said, ‘Every wailing woman lies except those who wept for Sa’d.’”
Tabari VIII:62

Ishaq:496 “Ali [Muhammad’s adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, ‘Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.’”
Ishaq:496 “Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.’ So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, ‘Tell the Apostle the truth.’”

Qur’an 24:1 “(This is) a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.”

Qur’an 24:6 “And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth.”


48 posted on 11/01/2006 7:40:05 PM PST by Fred Nerks ("Illegitimi non carborundum",)
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To: MadIvan

It's all the fault of Islam being full of crap!

How long can this idiocy survive? As long as muslim men support it. And they love it.


49 posted on 11/01/2006 7:40:34 PM PST by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: san juan
"The Islamic law that prohibits women from going out in public unless accompanied by a male relative is wrong.

It should be that Muslim men should not be allowed in public unless accompanied by their mothers."

Priceless!

50 posted on 11/01/2006 7:47:27 PM PST by Republic (A standing senator who openly wounds our military should be impeached!)
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