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Why Top Atheist Now Believes in a Creator : An Interview with Antony Flew
LEE STROBEL ^ | 11/02/2006 | Lee Strobel

Posted on 11/03/2006 1:47:02 PM PST by SirLinksalot

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To: GraniteStateConservative
So we are too complex to have not had a creator, but God himself is not? Who created God, who is more complex than we?

Dunno but it's a pretty good bet that it wasn't RM/NS.

41 posted on 11/03/2006 4:46:58 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Jhengis Johnny was against an apology before he was for it, sort of.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Who created God, who is more complex than we?

So if some being created God, who created that being? And who created the one that created God? And who created the one who created, the one who created, the one who created,....? And so on ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

What's your point? And just how far back do you want to take that agrument?

42 posted on 11/03/2006 7:48:22 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ShowMeMom
And if he's no longer an atheist, who's on top now?

Dawkins?

Good point. How can one be more of an atheist than the next one?

43 posted on 11/03/2006 7:50:20 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; GraniteStateConservative; hosepipe
And so on ad infinitum.

Aristotle rejected the infinite regress. I wonder why.

Sirlinksalot puts it well: If God is understood as Eternal, everlasting, Omniscient, Omnipotent, Perfect, one who always was and always will be, then this is like asking the question, Who created the one who is Eternal, Everlasting, Omniscient, Omnipotent, Perfect, one who always was and always will be.

The Greeks had it right, something must be eternal. This explains the logical absurdity of atheism. There are only nominal atheists.

44 posted on 11/03/2006 7:55:32 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
[ There are only nominal atheists. ]

LoL.. Now thats funny...

45 posted on 11/03/2006 8:32:29 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: SirLinksalot

God is in the mind of the beholder.


46 posted on 11/03/2006 8:35:36 PM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: SirLinksalot

How does one get to be the top athiest ?


48 posted on 11/03/2006 8:42:17 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Tribune7
Materialism fails because it can't address those questions.

An utterly absurd statement.

49 posted on 11/03/2006 8:43:48 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: SirLinksalot

Funny what a little chest pain at 80 will do. There are no atheists in foxholes.


50 posted on 11/03/2006 8:44:29 PM PST by chuckles
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To: GraniteStateConservative
So we are too complex to have not had a creator, but God himself is not? Who created God, who is more complex than we?

If all of space-time came into creation via the Big Bang, then it would seem the initiator of the Big Bang (i.e., God) would exist prior to and independent of the dimension of time... the dimension of cause and effect. That would seem to fit with the concept that God is an uncaused being.

But now we're getting into things a bit deep for the human mind...

"Why is there something rather than nothing?" - Leibniz

51 posted on 11/03/2006 8:47:54 PM PST by apologist
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To: SirLinksalot

Fascinating, SirLinksalot. Thank you so much for posting this interview with Flew. bttt


52 posted on 11/03/2006 8:48:20 PM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: cornelis
"This explains the logical absurdity of atheism. There are only nominal atheists."

I had this conversation earlier tonight...to definitively rule out the existence of God, one must, quite literally, know everything...if one knows everything, one is omniscient, and by knowing all things, one therefore knows how to accomplish all things, and is therefore omnipotent as well...in other words, one must be divine to rule out the existence of God with any certainty. One without divine qualities can only at best, guess at the matter, making their conclusions every bit a matter of faith as one who believes...

...although faith in the existence of an almighty is indeed, far more logically supportable than faith in the absence thereof.

53 posted on 11/03/2006 8:48:34 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SirLinksalot
If God is understood as Eternal, everlasting, Omniscient, Omnipotent, Perfect, one who always was and always will be, then this is like asking the question --- Who created the one who is Eternal, Everlasting, Omniscient, Omnipotent, Perfect, one who always was and always will be.


54 posted on 11/03/2006 8:49:25 PM PST by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: SirLinksalot

Mr Flew, meet Chuck Norris.Mr Norris meet Mr flew.


55 posted on 11/03/2006 9:07:21 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: SirLinksalot
the spry 83-year-old professor.

Being 83 years old might have something to do with it. As you approach eternity, you better not be wrong.

Simple minded me, all I have to do is stand on a mountain peak, and observe everything that is going on down there. Think from the smallest neutrino on the tip of your finger, and build on that thought out to beyond the edge of the universe, and ask, "Is this all an accident?"

And don't bother me with your mathematical formulas that explain it all. I'm too simple-minded for all that.

56 posted on 11/03/2006 9:14:33 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: Socratic

you should practice that.


57 posted on 11/03/2006 9:16:15 PM PST by Treeless Branch
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To: hosepipe

Thanks for the ping!


58 posted on 11/03/2006 10:13:09 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Paloma_55

"My vision of hell is to be alone, without God."

Actually, there is an excellent scriptural case for the premise that it's the presence of God that MAKES Hell Hell.


59 posted on 11/03/2006 10:26:31 PM PST by UnChained
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To: chuckles

lol....that was exactly my first thought.


60 posted on 11/04/2006 5:47:34 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (`)
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