Posted on 11/03/2006 1:47:02 PM PST by SirLinksalot
Dunno but it's a pretty good bet that it wasn't RM/NS.
So if some being created God, who created that being? And who created the one that created God? And who created the one who created, the one who created, the one who created,....? And so on ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
What's your point? And just how far back do you want to take that agrument?
Dawkins?
Good point. How can one be more of an atheist than the next one?
Aristotle rejected the infinite regress. I wonder why.
Sirlinksalot puts it well: If God is understood as Eternal, everlasting, Omniscient, Omnipotent, Perfect, one who always was and always will be, then this is like asking the question, Who created the one who is Eternal, Everlasting, Omniscient, Omnipotent, Perfect, one who always was and always will be.
The Greeks had it right, something must be eternal. This explains the logical absurdity of atheism. There are only nominal atheists.
LoL.. Now thats funny...
God is in the mind of the beholder.
How does one get to be the top athiest ?
An utterly absurd statement.
Funny what a little chest pain at 80 will do. There are no atheists in foxholes.
If all of space-time came into creation via the Big Bang, then it would seem the initiator of the Big Bang (i.e., God) would exist prior to and independent of the dimension of time... the dimension of cause and effect. That would seem to fit with the concept that God is an uncaused being.
But now we're getting into things a bit deep for the human mind...
"Why is there something rather than nothing?" - Leibniz
Fascinating, SirLinksalot. Thank you so much for posting this interview with Flew. bttt
I had this conversation earlier tonight...to definitively rule out the existence of God, one must, quite literally, know everything...if one knows everything, one is omniscient, and by knowing all things, one therefore knows how to accomplish all things, and is therefore omnipotent as well...in other words, one must be divine to rule out the existence of God with any certainty. One without divine qualities can only at best, guess at the matter, making their conclusions every bit a matter of faith as one who believes...
...although faith in the existence of an almighty is indeed, far more logically supportable than faith in the absence thereof.
Mr Flew, meet Chuck Norris.Mr Norris meet Mr flew.
Being 83 years old might have something to do with it. As you approach eternity, you better not be wrong.
Simple minded me, all I have to do is stand on a mountain peak, and observe everything that is going on down there. Think from the smallest neutrino on the tip of your finger, and build on that thought out to beyond the edge of the universe, and ask, "Is this all an accident?"
And don't bother me with your mathematical formulas that explain it all. I'm too simple-minded for all that.
you should practice that.
Thanks for the ping!
"My vision of hell is to be alone, without God."
Actually, there is an excellent scriptural case for the premise that it's the presence of God that MAKES Hell Hell.
lol....that was exactly my first thought.
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