Hotline: Republicans Will Pressure Allen... Soon

Hotline/National Journal ^ | November 8, 2006

[RWR8189]

Top Republicans in Washington will give Sen. George Allen a few days to take stock of his legal and political options before beginning to pressure him to concede to James Webb. Senior Republican officials and White House aides believe that Webb won the race. Several outside advisers to Allen want him to make the decision quickly; others in his campaign want to make sure that there's no chance a cache of new votes will turn up. One question: when will (will?) the AP call the race? [MARC AMBINDER]

[DoughtyOne]

To be honest with you, the provisional ballot didn't register at first. I detest them. I don't like motor voter either.

To my way of thinking, election day should be Tuesday from 7:00a.m. to 8:00p.m. and that's the long and short of it. Frankly, absentee voting kindof bugs me too. I know a lot of people use them.

I want a person to show up, talk to another person, have it verified that they got a booklet by mail, and vote.

I had several conversations going, and for some reason the provisional ballot issue flew right over my head. Thanks for reminding me.

[lugsoul]

Forget your FReeper etiquette?

Go ahead - make up some more stuff about 'who I am'?

It is all you have.

[Tanniker Smith]

Thanks. You learn something new everyday . . .

[PhiKapMom]

I forgot to tell you that the DemocRATs in Oklahoma got some folks about fifteen years ago before I moved here to switch to Republican so they could become poll workers so you essentially had three Dems instead of two Dems and one Republican.

[Tanniker Smith]

Out of curiosity, my tally is: You've posted a total of 76 threads and 5,200 replies.

Hey, that's sort of an anniversary. Whoops, missed it. This is 5201.

[muawiyah]

Could it be something about you quoting Bertrand Russell on your ID page? Hmmm. Makes the rest of us suspect you're really Noam Chomsky.

That's why you get treated like trash from time to time.

[NYC Republican]

2 prime examples... Missouri with Carnahan, SD with Thune

[DoughtyOne]

I've been giving the proof of identity thing some thought over the last few weeks. I'm really against a national I'd. Let's not go down that road, just accept it and let's move on.

I think I've got a plan to get around that, and allow people to verify their identity. The one down-side would be that folks would have to register before each election. After that they could vote at any polling site in the nation. It might even work out that they could do it from home or even away from home eventually using a laptop.

Some time before election, a perpsective voter would visit a registration booth. At that booth, they would provide some form of identification, a driver's license would generally suffice. If not, a state I.D. card could be provided. Once this person had shown they were legit to register, they would have their thumbprint scanned. The good thing is that they would not have to have their personal data on file. As long as their thumbprint was in the database, they would be good for one vote. And that one vote would be all they got no matter how many pricincts they visited.

Your print would be tied to the area in which you reside. Present that thumbprint in Florida, and your California precinct information would still come up.

Once your thumb was scanned, and your vote registered, your print would become non-valid for approval purposes for another vote. And 45 days after an election, your print would be purged from the national database.

If you chose, and by personal choice only, you could give a personal contact point. And if you did, you could receive an e-mail of your ballot choices, if you wished to. If you didn't wish to, your thumbprint would still be on file as a valid key, with no other information necessary, with no possible way of tying it to one single citizen. You would be registered, and that's all that would be necessary.

No personal information would have to remain on file. You would only be authorize for one vote. You could vote just about anywhere with a thumb scanner.

And if you happened to die, if you happened to be a dog or cat, or happened to be a democrat hell bent on defauding the system, it wouldn't matter. You'd be able to register once, if you were eligable. You'd be able to vote once if you had registered.

Next...

[free_life]

I posted many times last night and will again repeat. Most military (trigger pullers) voted for Webb. Me and my family and almost everyone I know on base and in base housing as well.

That does make any sense. The dems now have the power to get a lot of our guys over there killed. The House and the Senate it looks like.....they could get lots of us dead before they are booted. NUTS!

[Spaulding]

Sad to say, having watched many elections, that neither party has acted to insure that the election process is verifiable. In fact, while the old punch card machines were, at times, rigged, at least there was the potential to verify that there was fraud, if someone wanted to look. Now, in many states and within states, the voting mechanism is opaque, and absolutely without an audit trail. That is a fact. Whether there is some grand conspiracy controlling elections I don't know. I more suspect some distributed manipulation, and probably by both parties. But it is clear that many people know, many give lip service, but people who could drive laws to impose a rigorous count don't seem willing. I know that the FDA would never accept testing data with the lack of controls exhibited by our counting mechanism. Until our voting system is cleaned up the examinations of strategies, of principles, of integrity, are good sport for some, but of questionable relevance.

[Paleo Conservative]

(example: 4 for a 8,000 (normal) ballot precinct).

An 8,000 ballot precinct is normal in Virginia? Wow! That's huge. I was an election clerk yesterday in Nueces County, Texas, in one of the largest precincts. It had about 3,200 registered voters total. Over 1,000 voters in that precinct voted either in early voting or absentee voting, and almost 700 voted on election day. It had over 50% turnout, which was about what one would expect in a presidential election there rather than a mid-term election. There are many precincts that have just 500 voters.

Considering that Nueces county bucked the nationwide anti-Republican trend and voted in Republicans in all the county wide offices for the first time since Reconstruction, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the heavily Republican precincts like this one get split into smaller, more manageable precincts. The DemocRATS deliberately made many of the heavily DemocRAT precincts much smaller. Perhaps this makes it easier to commit voting fraud.

[Cyclopean Squid]

It was until I shaved off the goatee (which actually became just a stache for a while--now I'm back to the Roman look). Not entirely accurate but close enough for a police sketch.

[epow]

if they know we don't have the stomach for a challenge like that, then their injection of vote fraud goes through.

Right. And if they have success with a particular fraudulent tactic they will use it on a larger and more comprehensive scale in the next election. Election fraud has been a tradition among Rats since time immemorial, just as bumbling incompetence in the art of political infighting and a predisposition to surrender the battlefield as soon as the first shots are fired are traditions among Republicans.

When it comes to vote fraud the demoRats can't help themselves even if they wanted to, it's just what Rats do and have always done. The first presidential election in which I voted after coming of voting age was stolen by Joseph Kennedy's money and the corrupt Chicago Democrat machine. To my surprise the Republicans knew about it but didn't seem to mind too much, they just took it in stride as though it was the normal way for elections to turn out for their candidates.

Such was my introduction to a long, frustrating period of watching my hopes go up in smoke at almost every election cycle until Ronald Reagan came onto the national scene the 2nd time to put a merciful end to the embarrassing Carter debacle and restore a sense of pride in our nation to the American people.

At my age I seriously doubt that I will see another Ronald Reagan enter the political arena, but I hope and pray my children and grandchildren will see that day come even if I don't. OK, enough sentimental meandering for this old man, my bedtime is approaching and I could sure use the sleep I lost last night

[pollyannaish]

I would agree with you if I knew this was a snap decision based on the desire to make friends.This is not stated policy, but rather rumors from the inside. We do not know the criteria, let alone the motives.

MY position on this is that if the facts on the ground, after recounts, show that Webb has won, we let it go and not haul out the armies of lawyers to play a nebulous game of one oneupmanship with simply cements the distrust of average voters and contributes to the degradation of the political system...thereby encouraging regular people to drop out of the process due to disgust.

But beyond that, the one thing that I try VERY hard not to do is assume what the motives are from others. They are far, far too easy to misjudge, especially when we have no facts.

[syriacus]

It was meant as a joke with a little humor. Sorry you are sensitive about the remark.

I wasn't reacting emotionally to your remark, just posting what had occurred to me after reading your remark. Sorry if it came across as sensitivity.

[syriacus]

At my age I seriously doubt that I will see another Ronald Reagan enter the political arena, but I hope and pray my children and grandchildren will see that day come even if I don't.

Reagan was amazing. I know that now. And I regret ever voting for Carter. I hope some other Democrats open their eyes when they see 'rat misbehavior. Mine were opened by the shabby treatment of Justice Clarence Thomas.

[PeskyOne]

Would you believe that Chuckie Schumer, the kook that's never seen a microphone or camera he didn't like, said on the news this evening 'that they (Allen and Burns) should act like gentlemen and concede, that they were just obfuscating! That tells you how much the Democrats intend to try to work together. They are already talking like dictators, and appear to think they are President for the next two years. How I would love to see some of those arrogant dirtbags get their comeuppance.

[PeskyOne]

Do you think you could you could trust the word of one of the Democrat leaders? I don't. Bush offered them the olive branch too many times to mention, and they never cut him a break. They have done all in their power to destroy any nomination or bill he proposed. It's been disgusting watching some Republicans go along with them because they are RINOS...if that much. I hope John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Chuck Hagel are soundly defeated when they have to run again.

[ReagansRaiders]

Ed Gillespie on Fox News earlier said that this morning the canvass uncovered an additional 1,500 votes for Allen in Stafford County.

Let's wait until ALL the votes are counted before conceding....

[justiceseeker93]

Amen. How many illegals (or other aliens, for that matter) voted in VA yesterday or by absentee? And how many Dummys might have voted early and often?

I don't know for sure, but this kind of fraud could conceivably account for more than the 7,000+ vote differential between the candidates.

Can you imagine how pathetic that is: control of the Senate might actually be determined by this fraud?

If legislation doesn't address the issue, citizen militias will be necessary to chase the cheats from polling places.