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Rethinking Illegal Immigration
realclearpolitics.com ^ | November 10, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/10/2006 5:12:23 PM PST by neverdem

Now that the bitter election season is over, both parties will have to return to the explosive issue of illegal immigration.

Increased border patrol, a 700-mile fence to stop the easiest access routes (something President Bush signed into law two weeks ago), employer sanctions and encouragement of one official language can all help solve the crisis. But once the debate is renewed, congressional reformers will be blitzed by advocates of the failed status quo with a series of false assumptions concerning the issue.

Take, for example, the shared self-interest argument - that the benefits to both the U.S. and Mexico of leaving our borders open trumps the need for enforcement of existing laws and outweighs the costs to U.S. taxpayers that result from massive influxes of poor illegal aliens.

Libertarian supporters of relatively open borders, for example, have long argued that illegal immigration is a safety valve for Mexico, one that prevents violent revolution south of our border. By allowing millions of poor people to cross illegally into the United States, we supposedly stabilize Mexico. Billions of dollars in remittances are sent back home to the needy left behind.

Yet for the last several weeks, the Mexican city of Oaxaca has been in near-open revolt. What started out as calls to remove the state governor, Ulises Ruiz, on charges of fraud and corruption has spiraled into a popular uprising of the type that's been seen in Venezuela and Bolivia.

Yet the state of Oaxaca is also one of the chief sources of illegal immigration to the United States. Hundreds of thousands of dissatisfied Oaxacans have fled to the U.S. and now send millions of dollars back southward. Why, then, is the city on the brink of chaos?

Could it be that far from stabilizing Mexico, the continual flight of millions...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; vdh; victordavishanson
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1 posted on 11/10/2006 5:12:24 PM PST by neverdem
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To: Tolik

Ping


2 posted on 11/10/2006 5:14:45 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: John Carey
The topic is illegal immigration.
4 posted on 11/10/2006 5:19:50 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: neverdem
There should be an easy and practical procedure to allow through enough of the right sort of immigrants to meet this country's needs. Right now, it seems that INS/ICE tries to make things as annoying as possible for those who try to do things legally, that people won't mind if they start ignoring the rules for those who don't.

I subscribe to the paperwork theory. The INS/ICE hate paperwork.

If someone gets caught, deporting them requires paperwork; letting them go requires none.

If someone wants to become a citizen that requires lots of paperwork. If they want to become an illegal alien, that requires none.

I wish there were some way to make the people at INS/ICE actually do their jobs. But I think they'd rather avoid paperwork.

5 posted on 11/10/2006 5:21:56 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: neverdem

I was going to comment. I was under the impression that I was only required to read one article though.


6 posted on 11/10/2006 5:24:12 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: John Carey
What part of ILLEGAL don't you understand?
7 posted on 11/10/2006 5:32:56 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: monkeywrench; John Carey
The topic is illegal immigration.

Yes. As in nearly all of them mexican, not this or that. Mexican.

20 million here illegally, who send their money out of the country, who have already gutted the construction industry (unless you are a hispanic working for peanuts, and for a hispanic owner, and living a dozen to a room. - ask, I know - I used to run a construction business - depressing wages and overloading every system one can think of: Medical, Legal, Government assistance, you name it.

Who have zero allegiance to this country or it's laws, or the pride and dignity of it's history.

Yep.

8 posted on 11/10/2006 5:39:17 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952
Just so all understand, this is an actual business card from one of those many fine illegal immigrants, right in my hometown

Does this match up with any of your made up stories, Mr. Carey?

9 posted on 11/10/2006 5:47:35 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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Why give the guy ten chances? You've already given him nine and he's flouted the rules. Just be done with him.
11 posted on 11/10/2006 5:51:55 PM PST by Fairview
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To: Marine Inspector

What part of ILLEGAL don't you understand?


If they won't let us get rid of the illegal immigrtants at least we could trade either socialists or convicts.


12 posted on 11/10/2006 5:52:37 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: freedomfiter2

You think the administration will ever spend the money on the fence ? I seem to rememember that they would not hire border patrol agents that congress had budgeted for.


13 posted on 11/10/2006 5:59:55 PM PST by KyHammer (Where's Zarquawi ? ......Blowed up sir!)
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To: neverdem
What is there to "rethink?"

W practically had an orgasm when that reporter reminded him of his pet project which he could now get passed seeing those pesky Conservative were no longer going to be able to obstruct him in the House.

May that SOB CHIEF RINO (who I voted for twice) rot in hell.

I HOPE THAT THE RATS DO IMPEACH HIM---HE DESERVES IT.

14 posted on 11/10/2006 6:15:37 PM PST by seasoned traditionalist ("INFIDEL AND PROUD OF IT.")
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To: neverdem


Now with a new Democratic congress, Bush can finally get his Amnesty act passed. :)

Thank you for voting Democrat. :)

(/sarcasm)


15 posted on 11/10/2006 6:18:20 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

His answer really made me sick.

susie


16 posted on 11/10/2006 6:35:08 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: seasoned traditionalist
I HOPE THAT THE RATS DO IMPEACH HIM---HE DESERVES IT.

I also hope the RATS impeach him, if that happens they will be so busy fighting with each other they won't have time to pass,

"COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM!"

17 posted on 11/10/2006 6:56:02 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: neverdem
Anyone want to think about this... a couple weeks ago I found out the labor rate in Tijuana is $2.00 per hour including benefits. $1.00 take home.
18 posted on 11/10/2006 6:56:14 PM PST by Sefton (Don't let the Senate give our country away! Amnesty, No! Enforcement Si!)
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To: Fairview

Read his bio.


19 posted on 11/10/2006 7:46:56 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

He may be very distinguished indeed, but Mr. Robinson has certain rules here, and no one, however distinguished, is exempt from observing them.


20 posted on 11/10/2006 8:07:29 PM PST by Fairview
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