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ATF Raid Nets Militia Man, Weapons Rap
Times Record ^ | 11/10/06 | Trish Mehaffey

Posted on 11/11/2006 7:29:21 AM PST by Firefigher NC

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To: Firefigher NC

I agree completely.


81 posted on 11/12/2006 7:54:07 PM PST by Pro-Bush (hater)
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To: LibKill

Well, considering that the BATF has NO STANDARDS of testing and no written procedures on determination of the status of a weapon, I suspect that they'll have some problems getting a conviction like in the Wrenn case.

Mike


82 posted on 11/13/2006 6:48:32 AM PST by BCR #226 (Abortion is the pagan sacrifice of an innocent virgin child for the sins of the mother and father.)
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To: Thunder90
, and possibly the SCOTUS.

Which will then refuse to hear it.

83 posted on 11/13/2006 7:29:37 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: verity

You sure do have quite ythe admiration for the BATFags.


84 posted on 11/13/2006 11:18:28 AM PST by jmc813 (.)(.)
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To: jmc813
I merely reinforced that which has already been said: The guy was an asshole.

If you admire him so much perhaps you should emulate his stunt.

85 posted on 11/13/2006 11:30:57 AM PST by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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To: verity
I merely reinforced that which has already been said: The guy was an asshole.

What qualifies him as an "asshole"? He had no criminal record and was described by those in the community as a peaceful man. Why your disdain for him?

86 posted on 11/13/2006 11:34:57 AM PST by jmc813 (.)(.)
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To: verity

Do you always slander people with no criminal record who are acting in accordance with their Constitutionally protected Rights?


87 posted on 11/13/2006 11:40:02 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: jmc813
"Owners of automatic weapons must pay $200 to license each automatic weapon they own."

He was aware of the law and he was most certainly aware that he was risking consequences for any real or perceived violation of that law. Thus I referred to him as a martyr.

You interpreted that as supporting the BATF. That is not the case. Either he intentionally did what he did in support of his issue or he was a dumbass for trying to circumvent the system.

The undeniable fact of life is that actions have consequences.

It is amusing that you folks piss and moan about law enforcement when you should be complaining about the legislative branch of Government that either formulates these laws or fails to perform oversight functions.

88 posted on 11/13/2006 12:18:04 PM PST by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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To: verity
Either he intentionally did what he did in support of his issue or he was a dumbass for trying to circumvent the system.

The "system" is unconstitutional and defying it is an honorable action. Did you refer to Rosa Parks as a "dumbass" as well?

89 posted on 11/13/2006 12:24:20 PM PST by jmc813 (.)(.)
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To: jcparks

Nah, they are protecting against an armed coup (sp?).


90 posted on 11/13/2006 1:11:44 PM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: jmc813
"The "system" is unconstitutional and defying it is an honorable action."

If the "system" is unconstitutional, why was he arrested and why will he be prosecuted? So he is a martyr instead of a dumbass. Fair enough.

91 posted on 11/13/2006 1:35:15 PM PST by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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To: All
Sounds like they may be taking Elbridge Gerry's quote to heart:

What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty...Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.

92 posted on 11/13/2006 4:33:21 PM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: from occupied ga

SCOTUS will probably overturn South Dakota's abortion ban, and the Gay marrige ban in those states that have them as well.


93 posted on 11/13/2006 4:46:06 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: looscnnn

It also explains why the Left wants the military practically destroyed. It Prevents them from committing a coup should the US government decide it is time to go majorly extraconstitutional and take guns away from the citizens.


94 posted on 11/13/2006 4:47:26 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: FreedomPoster

Shoot...an M1 carbin can spit out plenty and you have control too. If you want knock down, the Garand. If you want kick, the 1903 or the Enfield 1917. If you want B&G, any good pump shotgun will do...


95 posted on 11/13/2006 4:50:44 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: verity
The Constitutional question is whether owners of automatic weapons must pay $200 to license each automatic weapon they own. The militia man herein obviously wants to challenge that 'law'.

If the "system" is unconstitutional, why was he arrested and why will he be prosecuted?

Because the legislative branch of Government that formulates these laws is ignoring the Constitution and failing to perform its oversight functions. -- And the executive branch is also ignoring & failing to enforce only constitutional laws.

He was aware of the law and he was most certainly aware that he was risking consequences for any real or perceived violation of that law. Thus I referred to him as a martyr.

You also referred to him as an a-hole & dumb-ass for raising a test case on a constitutional issue.

You interpreted that as supporting the BATF. That is not the case.

Your saying "-- If the "system" is unconstitutional --" makes your support clearly pro-prohibitional.

Either he intentionally did what he did in support of his issue or he was a dumbass for trying to circumvent the system. The undeniable fact of life is that actions have consequences. It is amusing that you folks piss and moan about law enforcement when you should be complaining about the legislative branch of Government that either formulates these laws or fails to perform oversight functions.

It is amusing that you pro-prohibition folks piss and moan about being seen as supporting 'big' gov't and the ATF when you don't complain about the legislative branch of Government that formulates these socalled 'laws'...

96 posted on 11/13/2006 5:15:49 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine

I suppose if one were skilled in machining and design then having your own unlawful but secret automatic weapon for the extremest of emergencies could be rational.

Taunting those with lots more power and firepower than you isn't rational.


97 posted on 11/13/2006 5:22:42 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: hoosierham
The Constitutional question is whether owners of automatic weapons must pay $200 to license each automatic weapon they own. The militia man herein obviously wants to challenge that 'law'.

I suppose if one were skilled in machining and design then having your own unlawful but secret automatic weapon for the extremest of emergencies could be rational.

"Could be"? What's irrational about wanting the freedom to keep & bear full auto weapons?

Taunting those with lots more power and firepower than you isn't rational.

He wasn't "taunting", -- he's raised a test case hoping he can get his case heard in the USSC. -- I really can't understand how ~anyone~ could rationally object to his effort.

Can you explain your reason?

98 posted on 11/13/2006 6:17:48 PM PST by tpaine
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To: verity

"He was aware of the law and he was most certainly aware that he was risking consequences for any real or perceived violation of that law. Thus I referred to him as a martyr."

I think he was aware of the law too, He's sixty years old, and the head of a militia, he kept his wepons properly stored, he had no criminal record, what better place can you think of to start this battle?

"The undeniable fact of life is that actions have consequences." ... and not all are bad.

Mr. Hollis "Wayne" Fincher may be doing us ALL a great service...and only time will tell. We could witnessing history in the making. One can only hope.

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99 posted on 11/13/2006 6:45:55 PM PST by Lurker 50001b
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To: Eaker

+2 rut row


100 posted on 11/13/2006 7:17:37 PM PST by Lurker 50001b
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