Posted on 11/12/2006 3:27:43 AM PST by nancyvideo
Can lawyers debate the butchering of innocent children while keeping a straight face, and a settled stomach? The answer, apparently, is "almost." At least that's what I saw from my center seat at the Supreme Court arguments Wednesday on partial birth abortion. I came away with three observations.
(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...
Just wait for the next justice. We have lost so much in this election. Women voters just won't give up baby killing.
"Women voters just won't give up baby killing."
Not so. Most women, most Americans, are against partial birth abortion. This is an 'elite-driven' issue.
If the word "fetus" or "baby" was replaced with "puppy" or "kitten," it would be a 9-0 vote to protect life.
All,
Read the whole article at the supplied link, it is well worth the time.
(But avoid food while you do so.)
http://www.priestsforlife.org/articles/pbacommentary.htm
There hasn't been a legislative victory for foes of abortion like the partial-birth abortion ban in a long time. Maybe that's why the opponents of the ban don't seem to know how to adjust to reality. They exhibit all the signs of denial.
After years of expert testimony from hundreds of physicians, and the failure of anyone to identify a single medical complication that can be solved only by a partial-birth abortion, foes of the ban continue to insist that the procedure is necessary for the health of women.
After the will of the American people has been made evident by poll after poll, and by the fact that over half the states passed bans on this procedure, foes of the ban continue to behave as if the public wants partial-birth abortion.
And after two of the three co-equal branches of government -- the Legislative and the Executive -- have exercised their power in a bi-partisan way to stop partial-birth abortion, foes of the ban go running like offended children to unelected judges, asking them to contradict the will of the people and overrule the other two branches of government.
It's time for a reality check. No amount of slogans, rhetoric, or abstract reasoning can take away the horror of the partial-birth abortion procedure. Legislators who identify themselves as "pro-choice" and vote in other contexts to uphold abortion rights have, in large numbers, concluded that partial-birth abortion goes too far. That is due in large part to the fact that in this debate, for the first time, attention was focused on what actually happens to the baby during the abortion. While it is easy to talk about "rights, freedoms, and choices," it is hard to talk about methods of killing -- so hard, in fact, that some in the media have refused to describe how a partial-birth abortion takes place.
Opponents of the ban on partial-birth abortion are constructing for themselves a public relations nightmare if they continue fighting a battle they have lost. Whose support do they hope to gain for keeping this procedure legal? Or perhaps do they not care whether they have anyone's support, as long as they can deceive people with slogans, mask over the violence of this procedure, and subvert the ability of the American people to govern themselves rather than be governed by an oligarchy of federal judges?
One of the ironic elements to this dispute is that we seem to have finally found a piece of ground in the abortion war on which pro-life and pro-choice people, in large numbers, can agree and unite. But radical pro-abortion supporters don't want to accept that. Yet, as usual, it is the pro-life camp that is accused of being "divisive."
What, then, is the next step for America regarding partial-birth abortion?
First, if pro-choice radicals keep pushing for partial-birth abortion, they will fall victim to what feminist author Naomi Wolf warned about when she wrote, "[W]e stand in jeopardy of losing what can only be called our souls. Clinging to a rhetoric about abortion in which there is no life and no death, we entangle our beliefs in a series of self-delusions, fibs and evasions. And we risk becoming precisely what our critics charge us with being: callous, selfish and casually destructive men and women who share a cheapened view of human life" (Our Bodies, Our Souls, The New Republic, 1995).
Second, if the courts continue to flatly contradict the clear, strong and consistent will of the American people, we may finally awaken to the need to restore a balance of power in our government. No longer will special interest groups be able to short-circuit the legislative system in order to accomplish their goals.
Third, maybe the partial-birth abortion debate has taught us a new way of looking at abortion -- namely, to examine what the procedure actually does, rather than go round and round about "Who decides?" Reading medical descriptions and seeing diagrams of the other abortion procedures reveals them as horrifying as partial-birth abortion.
If all that happens, the pro-choice movement is in a lot of trouble.
The swing voters are women. They keep the DEMS in power. Women will give us Hillary next. Women will not give up abortion. That is the baby killing. Wake up. Your sisters are the problem.
I know of no other "right" that so demonstrates how out of control our judiciary is.
The court will litigate itself into a coroner.
How can this barbarism still be allowed?
I think they are just perhaps a few men who like abortion too. The article is chilling. HOW can people be for this?
There are liberal men the the greater amount is women. Too many want abortion, take the guns, and vote for DEMS.
Senator Kennedy supports extremely late term abortions. (Mary Jo Kopechne)
Nice attitude for a justice to have....
"your sisters are the problem"
Liar! How many women were on the SCOTUS when Roe vs Wade came up?
When Justice Stevens awkwardly insisted that Clement talk of a fetus rather than a child, Scalia remarked that "when it's halfway out, I guess you can call it either a child or a fetus." Or when the Planned Parenthood attorney discussed whether the fetus dies before or after delivery of its ripped-off parts, Scalia resolved the dilemma by pointing out that we generally don't speak of a "leg" dying. And Scalia asked whether it would be criminal to deliver the baby all the way and just let him die. This contextualized the argument that partial birth abortion is the “safest option,” by implying that it is only the safest abortion option. Delivering the baby all the way without puncturing his head would often be the safest "option" at this moment, so as to avoid committing that violent, piercing act so near the woman’s body (sometimes the abortionist even has to hold the head in to prevent the magical occurrence of personhood). But pro-aborts want a healthy execution, not women's health in general. And they are not yet public members of the Peter Singer fan club.Thank God for Scalia. Stevens and the other monsters on the court better wake up, because they're on the hell express, and there isn't much time left to get off.
I don't think they'd care. I mean, how can they not know? How's that for a sobering thought?
Of course men like abortion. They won't be held accountable for their behavior either. This whole situation sickens me. I have a hard time believing our society is for infanticide.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/8/183956.shtml
It seems like indirect proof that Tiller knows the victim was a human being. I don't think you baptize baboons or other non-humans.
bttt
sometimes the abortionist even has to hold the head in to prevent the magical occurrence of personhood.
This world has gone totally insane!
BTW, neither she nor Stevens are human.
When you read things like this, one really has to wonder if we are worthy of any blessings at all. We think of evil as being in far away places but in truth it is next door if not closer.
Just wondering if the baby killers leave the baby's head inside the "mother" so they do not have to be haunted forever by the horror on the baby's face and in its eyes. But probably not - they obviously have not conscience, so it would not affect them anyway.
HITLER WON!Hitler would be proud of America since we have adopted his ideas on human medical experiments.I wonder how many dead babies it will take to save Michael J.Fox?
I suspect most women who abort their babies are sociopathic to start with.
Here's a video of the pro-abortion enemy...a danger to personal economy and welfare. Behold the scary reality that if you have one of these, your life is altered for at least 20 years and usually more.
WARNING: only watch it if you're willing to have your mood changed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6UU6m3cqk
Force mothers to see an abortion before getting one.
Liberal illogic: there is a right lurking in the constitution to torture and kill the innocent and most vulnerable in the most heinous ways imaginable, but that same constitution prohibits the putting to death of the most merciless and vicious convicted criminals even in ways that are carefully designed to eliminate pain and discomfort.
With the exception of real feminazis, I've had more vitriolic arguments with men who were pro-choice than women.
Whew, and now I cannot eat breakfast, nor lunch today. How do lawyers do it?
So biblical illiterates think.
Abortion is the best thing that ever happened to men! Women have been blinded and brainwashed by the mostly make political establishment and media into believing that abortion "rights" somehow "liberate" them. Into believing that denying the essential quality that makes women SUPERIOR to men - the ability to give birth to the next generation of humans - is enslaving. It is a diabolical plot that men have used to control the world.
If women ruled the world, there would be NO abortions. There would be universal birth control and mandatory marriage for any couple who conceived a child. There would also be no wars, no radical Islam that truly does enslave women, and no Democratic Party in the U.S.
Think about THAT world.
Funny they will show anything on TV but never an "simple" medical proceedure such as a partial birth abortion, why would that be?
Then I started to think that perhaps the purpose of this "dialogue" was to allow the pure evil of the murder being discussed to be seen -- and in the words of the Planned Parenthood attorney.
I pray that's what was really happening.
"If women ruled the world, there would be NO abortions... and no Democratic Party in the U.S."
This doesn't make sense. Women vote for Demonrats at a higher rate than do men. Radical feminists are the most vociferous advocates of abortion on demand. Neither sex has a monopoly on virtue. All the evidence is that both sexes are better off (including healthiest) in monogamous marriage. If men really want "sex whenever they can get it," they should be married, and they should treat their wives with the sacrificial love mandated by the New Testament. In reality, both sexes have been deceived by a demonic deception that they are enemies, rather than complementary.
Unless you're talking about rape, it also takes a woman to allow a man to have sex with her without a condom. Ever hear of birth control pills? Women never lie about "being on the pill," do they? I do blame women for abortions. Men are powerless to stop a woman from having an abortion if she wants one.
Men do not want to be bothered. They just want sex whenever they can get it.
Ever hear of Girls Gone Wild? Oh yeah, only men want sex. I guess women must be too stupid and weak to practice safe sex. Men are just a bunch of sex-crazed warmongers.
Good point
Seems as good a time as any to repost about Gianna Jessen
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/jessen.html
One of the most sobering accounts of current history I've ever read. Chilling.
Are you right about your life being altered..This drives the liberals up the wall..Thanks!
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