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Webb spins his Ulster-Scots heritage into the US elections
Belfast (Northern Ireland) Telegraph ^ | November 9, 2006 | Sean O'Driscoll

Posted on 11/13/2006 10:13:53 AM PST by Wallace T.

There have been many US presidents with Ulster-Scots roots, but for Virginia Democrat, Jim Webb, being Ulster-Scots or Irish Scots has become a rallying point for his supporters and a focus of his astonishingly popular campaign for a Senate seat.

As last week's New Yorker magazine put it, Webb has presented Ulster-Scots heritage as "the DNA of red-state America".

And it seemed to be working as last night he claimed victory in his tightly-fought Senate race with Republican George Allen, even though a recount now looks to be on the cards.

Throughout the heavily Ulster-Scots mountain towns of Virginia, Mr Webb referred time and time again to his book, 'Born Fighting, How The Scots-Irish Shaped America', telling supporters that they had built America, yet their ethnic background had been deliberately besmirched by the establishment in favour of more "politically correct" ethnic groups.

His view of US history has been a huge hit with voters, particularly in the Scots-Irish strongholds in southwest Virginia.

It helped him close in on the incumbent Mr Allen, who looked certain to win the race at the start of the election.

Mr Webb's "love your inner Ulster Scot" message also won some big-name supporters - most noticeably commentator Christopher Hitchens in the Wall Street Journal, who wrote that Mr Webb "is right to stress the huge rage felt by those of Scots-Irish provenance who feel that they have borne the heat and burden of the day in America's wars, and been rewarded with disdain".

Mr Webb is a hugely contradictory - an anti-war candidate who revels in celebrating the military and who toasted his son's departure for Iraq as a US marine.

Mr Webb is nominally a Democrat yet was Republican president Reagan's navy secretary - a fact he used time and again in his campaign commercials.

His basic Scots-Irish message pulls these contradictory strands together with a new message: "The Scots-Irish were pushed out of Scotland, battled Catholics in Ireland, came to the US where they fought everyone from native Americans to the French and were packed overseas to fight the Germans, the Viet Cong and the Iraqis and what do you have to show for it? You're treated as Bible-thumping rednecks by cultural elitists in Hollywood, New York and Washington."

It's a message that has proved to be political dynamite in the Republican heartland, leaving many Republicans and moderate Democrats to ask why they didn't tap into this resentment a long time ago.

According to Mr Webb, the real number of Ulster-Scots in America could be as high as 30 million, their numbers vastly underestimated by confusion on census day, with many voters filing their ethic background as Irish, Scottish, British, Ulster-Scots or Scots-Irish and that many who wrote "Scots-Irish" were placed in the "Scots" and "Irish" ethnic groups.

With Mr Webb's enormously popular campaign rewriting politics in conservative Virginia (helped on by stupid gaffes by his opponent), the election could well see a clamour among politicians for an analyst who can help them tap into this new Scots-Irish pride.

Although he lives in the boring, utterly middle-class Washington suburb of Falls Church, his language on the campaign stump has been that of the Virginia Hills, and his Scots-Irish relatives who still live there.

They are the kind of people that Mr Webb describes in Born Fighting as having "unbending individualism" and an "ingrained hatred of aristocracy".

He links their "individualism" to their alleged dislike of liberal policy makers and to their love of religion and military service.

The Scots-Irish have "been in conflict with a variety of authoritarian power structures, and it remains so in today's America", he wrote in Born Fighting.

He says that for complicated reasons, many Scots-Irish are still mired in poverty and he lists off the stereotypes he most resents: "Rednecks. Trailer-park trash. Racists. Cannon fodder."

The ingratitude of "the establishment" was burnt into him after he came back from Vietnam to find privileged college kids belittling the war and making it sound as if they were taking a brave step by refusing to fight.

Repeatedly citing that the Scots-Irish have fought for America in numbers way above the national average, he never missed a chance to attempt to stoke that pride in his audience.

In Christiansburg in southwest Virginia last Saturday, he arrived in military garb.

His red, white and blue campaign signs read "Jim Webb: Born Fighting".

He immediately appeals to voters by referencing Scots-Irish hero and former President, Andrew Jackson, who represents the values of "the traditional Democratic Party" before it was 'hijacked' by tree huggers, gays and Vietnam protester, Jane Fonda (whom, he once said, he would not cross the road to see, "even to see her slit her wrists").

In the likely event that Mr Webb wins this race, he will have done so by tapping into something very deep in the Virginian psyche.

And he will then become part of the establishment he bemoans.

"Why are the 30 million Scots-Irish, who may well be America's strongest cultural force, so invisible to America's cultural elites?" he wrote in an opinion article in the Wall Street Journal two years ago.

Like Andrew Jackson before him, that's a question that he himself will now have to answer.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2006elections; republicanparty; scotsirish; virginia
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To: Wallace T.

I had no idea that HE wrote this book. I heard about it when it came out and considered buying it. Ugh.


21 posted on 11/13/2006 11:25:56 AM PST by twigs
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To: petitfour
I am not saying that the white population of the Deep South is overwhelmingly English, but that the percentage is higher than in the mountainous regions. The counties of the South where "Americans", Irish, Scots-Irish, or Scots are identified as the largest group tend to be in the Upper South and lower Midwest. OTOH, the counties in the Lower South often show people of English descent as the largest group, except where African-Americans form a plurality or majority. An expert in South Carolina politics states that there were still distinct voting pattern differences between voters of French Huguenot, English, and Scots-Irish ancestry.
22 posted on 11/13/2006 11:27:17 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
My mother was a McLelland of Scotch-Irish descent from Iredell County, North Carolina. Were she alive today and living in Virginia, she would never have voted for Webb.
23 posted on 11/13/2006 11:27:36 AM PST by srmorton (Choose life!)
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To: elc

It's hard to tell from his websites but I think Webb is from Nebraska. Who cares where his ancestors lived 250 years ago? And I'll bet Webb is probably only about 1/32 Scots-Irish.

If ancestry were so important, President Bush and John Kerry would be best friends because they are cousins at least five or six times.


24 posted on 11/13/2006 11:29:54 AM PST by carola
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To: Wallace T.

"Large numbers of them emigrated to the United States, and are the most important population element in Appalachia and other areas such as the Ohio Valley and the Ozarks. They are an important element in Texas and Oklahoma as well."

The first group came in five ships in 1718, arriving at Boston. They dispersed, and some settled a town in New Hampshire called Londonderry.

My Ulster Scot ancestors then moved to Falmouth, Maine. This family later misgrated to Canada, Minnesota, and the pacific northwest, among other places.



25 posted on 11/13/2006 11:31:07 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: linda_22003

Thats right. I met Margaret. We had a special early celebration of her day this Sunday at Mass. I have thought that having a church named after her in a area that had the heritage we did was apt.


26 posted on 11/13/2006 11:32:31 AM PST by catholicfreeper (Geaux Tigers SEC FOOTBALL ROCKS)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

A terrific book, I completely second the recommendation for those interested in learning much more about this subject.

I've been waiting for more of the same from David Hackett Fischer.


27 posted on 11/13/2006 11:37:38 AM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Wallace T.
His basic Scots-Irish message pulls these contradictory strands together with a new message: "The Scots-Irish were pushed out of Scotland, battled Catholics in Ireland, came to the US where they fought everyone from native Americans to the French and were packed overseas to fight the Germans, the Viet Cong and the Iraqis and what do you have to show for it? You're treated as Bible-thumping rednecks by cultural elitists in Hollywood, New York and Washington."

So he's a Democrat WHY???

Oh yeah--he wants religious people to shut up on the issue of embryonic stem cell research and wants a "more inclusive, tolerant, pluralistic America." He just played the Scots-Irish for saps.

Of course, I'm one of those poor Southerners who's Anglo-Saxon, so even if the Left starts a "national liberation movement" for the Scots-Irish I'll still be left out!

28 posted on 11/13/2006 11:38:29 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayihyu chayyei-Sarah me'ah shanah ve`esrim shanah vesheva` shanim; shenei-chayyei-Sarah.)
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To: twigs

That's not so bad. I actually have this book somewhere in a box and never put 2 and 2 together that this Jim Webb wrote it. Even seeing the "Born Fighting" signs along the road.

I feel really really really blonde right now.


29 posted on 11/13/2006 11:41:19 AM PST by elc (Slingin' away)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
He just played the Scots-Irish for saps.

Correct. The Republicans would do well to look at the demographics of the most recent election. Much, though not all, of the Republican slippage last week occurred in areas of the lower Midwest and Upper South where voters of Ulster Scots descent are a major electoral factor. The differences are but a few percentage points, but were significant enough to pull Republicans down to defeat in marginal districts. By and large, Scots-Irish are fiercely patriotic (with a few exceptions such as Bill Clinton). Were issues such as outsourcing jobs overseas, inaction on border control, and what looks like a no-win war in Iraq reasons for culturally conservative voters such as the Scots-Irish to stay home or vote for a pseudo-conservative Democrat?

As for Scots-Irish "liberation", don't forget that they are partially Anglo-Saxon, with many of the Lowland Scots and northern English being Anglians.

30 posted on 11/13/2006 11:54:58 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: exdem2000

The Ulster Scots were folks from Scotland planted in what is now Northern Ireland by King James I after 1600. This part of Ireland was the last part to be subdued by England. The Irish chieftains boogied to the Continent and the best land was given to these Presbyterian (and Anglican as well) settlers. The native Gaelic speaking Catholics were driven to the hills. In the 1730s 1740's and beyond thousands of these Presbyterians from Ulster (that provicne in Ireland) came to Ameica because the Presbyterian church wasn't favored either by the English. These people settled what is the frontier PA (beyond Philly),N. Carolina, western Virginia, some of upstate NY, and especially what became Kentuck & Tennessee. They were fiercely independent and joined george Washington's army in droves. This is just an overview---probably a lot you can find.


31 posted on 11/13/2006 11:55:49 AM PST by brooklyn dave (Dhimmis better not be Dhummis!!!!------or else!!!)
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To: linda_22003

Queen Margaret (st.) wife of Malcolm Canmore (in gaelic ceann mor= big head) was responsible for Anglicizing the country as well. Large land grants were giving to English nobles at the time esp. on the border.


32 posted on 11/13/2006 12:01:12 PM PST by brooklyn dave (Dhimmis better not be Dhummis!!!!------or else!!!)
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To: truth_seeker
One difference between the Scots-Irish and Scottish settlers in greater New England (the six New England states, New York, northern New Jersey, the Upper Midwest, and the Pacific Northwest) and those elsewhere is that they were largely and eventually absorbed into the English derived population that arrived on these shores as Puritans. A good example would be the Kean family of New Jersey, who are considered arch-WASPs in that state, but are the descendants of "Old Irish" who converted to Protestantism in the 18th Century during the penal law era.

British and Ulster Scots immigrants who arrived in the mid and late 19th Century and early 20th Century were rapidly absorbed into the English Puritan descended (or Yankee in the original sense) population. Hillary Rodham may seem to be an arch-Yankee, but is, on her father's side, the granddaughter of late 19th Century Welsh and English immigrants to the coal fields of Pennsylvania.

33 posted on 11/13/2006 12:12:05 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.
The ingratitude of "the establishment" was burnt into him after he came back from Vietnam to find privileged college kids belittling the war and making it sound as if they were taking a brave step by refusing to fight.

Has he ever distanced himself from John Kerry and his "joke"?!

34 posted on 11/13/2006 12:15:23 PM PST by Tamar1973 (I find your lack of faith disturbing--Darth Vader, Ep. IV)
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To: elc
?? His "home" county is either Fairfax county or City of Falls Church. Both of which he won.

He was born in Scott County, and made a big deal about it. That was my point.

35 posted on 11/13/2006 12:15:31 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Attention 2008 Candidates: This tagline for rent.)
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To: Wallace T.
Correct. The Republicans would do well to look at the demographics of the most recent election. Much, though not all, of the Republican slippage last week occurred in areas of the lower Midwest and Upper South where voters of Ulster Scots descent are a major electoral factor. The differences are but a few percentage points, but were significant enough to pull Republicans down to defeat in marginal districts. By and large, Scots-Irish are fiercely patriotic (with a few exceptions such as Bill Clinton). Were issues such as outsourcing jobs overseas, inaction on border control, and what looks like a no-win war in Iraq reasons for culturally conservative voters such as the Scots-Irish to stay home or vote for a pseudo-conservative Democrat?

The trouble is, if Republican candidates started making an open play for the Scots-Irish vote, can you imagine what the liberal press would say? "Southern strategy!" "Republicans fish for bigot votes!" Etc., etc., etc. Even Howard Dean got creamed when he said he wanted the votes of "those people with Confederate flag decals on their pickups." But it looks like the Dem honchos took a second look at that strategy and okayed it for the "blue dogs" (none of whom I trust). But a Republican candidate still wouldn't be able to get away with it.

As for Scots-Irish "liberation", don't forget that they are partially Anglo-Saxon, with many of the Lowland Scots and northern English being Anglians.

I know, I know! I'm usually the one who points out that Scotland is a more bi-national country than Ireland (and that the Angles were in Scotland a hundred years before the Scots arrived from Ulster). In fact, the "Scots language" is a form of English spoken by lowland Anglo-Scots, even though it (and the country) are named for the Gaels who don't speak it. But that doesn't stop the Maoist "Scottish National Liberation Army" (yes, there is such a thing) from threatening to run everyone with an English surname out of the country and making it lilly-pure Gaelic.

It's also interesting to note that the "union of the crowns" took place under a Scottish king (James I) and the Act of Union in 1707 took place under Queen Anne, who was of the same House of Stewart. Also forgotten is that when England finally officially annexed Wales in 1536 it was the act of a King (Henry VIII) of Welsh descent.

36 posted on 11/13/2006 12:15:33 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayihyu chayyei-Sarah me'ah shanah ve`esrim shanah vesheva` shanim; shenei-chayyei-Sarah.)
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To: Siena Dreaming
"You're treated as Bible-thumping rednecks by cultural elitists in Hollywood, New York and Washington."
Yah so why is Webb enlisting with the party of cultural elitists?

Perhaps because he's trying to change the Democratic Party. While many Freepers are highly partisan Republicans and are bitter over the loss of Congress last week, I would think that from a larger perspective they would appreciate the fact that there are serious, intelligent people trying to make the Democrats a little less irrational.

Webb apparently knew what he was talking and writing about when he was able to tap into the Ulster-Scots ethnic background of many of his constituents. I had a feeling all along that he might be able to upset Allen, even though Allen was initially considered a safe, popular incumbent and potential Presidential candidate.

Webb is not just a facile politician who reads polls to decide what to say. He's an expert in connecting with the roots of the people who live in Virginia, and I doubt that he will fall easily in line with Harry Reid and the old guard of Senate Democrats. That's a good thing, and something to be encouraged. I think Webb will make the Democratic Party better, which is a very good thing.

37 posted on 11/13/2006 12:17:06 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: Wallace T.

He took Buchanan and Dickenson County and (I think) barely took Russell. But he didn't take Wise, Lee, Scott, Smythe, Tazewell...etc...those areas have high concentrations of Scots-Irish.


38 posted on 11/13/2006 12:17:27 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Attention 2008 Candidates: This tagline for rent.)
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To: dpwiener
I know Webb is a defense guy and conservative as far as faith, some social issues, etc.

What about his fiscal beliefs? Is he a low tax guy?

39 posted on 11/13/2006 12:28:17 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Wallace T.
If you want to delve deeper into this topic, a book that is much better than Webb's (and probably where he stole his ideas), is "Albion's Seed". Get it off of Amazon, read it and then you will know a lot more about America than you did before. It is about all the cultural groups that came to American and formed its character, not just the Scots Irish.

The character of the Scots Irish was not just formed in northern Ireland after Cromwell sent them there, but during the 600 or so years of constant war in the border regions between northern England and southern Scotland from the Norman invasion to the formation of the United Kingdom. One of the things I find fascinating is that you can trace the restlessness of these people, and their habit of living a lifestyle that is mobile, can be traced back in a direct line, from trailer parks to shanties, to log cabins, to the kinds of homes that they preferred 1000 years ago. The sense of honor, the aggressiveness, the independence, the way children are raised, the way women are treated, the educational attitudes, all trace back.

40 posted on 11/13/2006 1:04:45 PM PST by Defiant (The shame of Spain has stained the fruited plain.)
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