Posted on 11/13/2006 10:57:02 PM PST by B4Ranch
And another!
Nancee
Then that it exactly what we will keep praying for!!! :-)
Nancee
BUMP!!!
AMEN!!!
Nancee
Past time. Wayyyy past time.
Nancee
Not sure. I think she's highly neurotic.
Link to DuBord's article. aka "Unruh article."
There are links to both of the articles now under discussion.
In post #48 you said: You're confused. Nobody's claiming that Moses's tablet contains the Bill of Rights. ... but the author's conspiracy theory concerns the East Frieze. ... *That's* the tablet the author is writing about, *not* Moses's tablet.
From the WND article...When he asked, his recent tour guide denied there were any Ten Commandments representations in the Supreme Court building, he said.
He then asked, "If there are no other depictions of Moses or the Ten Commandments on the building except on the South Wall Frieze in the U.S. Supreme Court, then what about on the east side of the building where Moses is the central figure among others, holding both tablets of the Ten Commandments, one in each arm?"
"Her response shocked me as much as the guide inside the Court chamber. 'There is no depiction of Moses and the Ten Commandments like that on the U.S. Supreme Court,'" DuBord said he was told.
There are two separate incidents of denial that there were any other depictions of Moses holding the Ten Commandments cited in the WND article.
From the DuBord article...After the U.S. Supreme Court guide described the figures on that frieze, including Moses, she asked if there were any questions. I raised my hand and asked, Are there any other depictions of Moses or the Ten Commandments in or on the U.S. Supreme Court.
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There was no hesitation to the guides response to my question of whether there were any other depictions of Moses or the Ten Commandments. Her answer was simply and unequivocally, No.
My last inquiry for the personnel at the Information Booth of the U.S. Supreme Court was this: If there are no other depictions of Moses or the Ten Commandments on the building except on the South Wall Frieze in the U.S. Supreme Court, then what about on the east side of the building where Moses is the central figure among others, holding both tablets of the Ten Commandments, one in each arm? Her response shocked me as much as the guide inside the Court chamber. She simply and confidently told me, There is no depiction of Moses and the Ten Commandments like that on the U.S. Supreme Court. I looked at her bewildered and used my body to describe the position in which Moses was holding the Ten Commandments. She again responded, No, sir, there is nothing like that here.
There are the same two incidents of denial as in the WND article. The author is definitely writing about much more than just the East Frieze inside the SC chambers as he says, in both articles, that they not only deny that the tablets on the doors are the Ten Commandments they deny that any other depiction of Moses with the TCs (other than the South Wall Frieze) exist at or on the SC.
You flatly said that the author's "conspiracy theory" ('report' to normal people) was about the East Frieze and not Moses' tablets. That is flatly and clearly wrong.
Agreed, but I never left. America is just another country. Many kingdoms and countries have risen and fallen. Ours will also. When you are saved, you have died to this world and are alive in the next. Our great commission is to evangelize the world. We will all die sooner or later unless He comes first. If you are saved you are prepared to die. There is no promise of tomorrow. I love America as much as anyone, but it will burn like the rest of them. I would like to make it last, but it is as doomed as Iraq. Non belief is non belief. Besides, God promises that it will get worse before He returns. Think of how Peter felt when Jesus told him that John had work to do, but that Peter would taste the same cup as Jesus. All apostles were murdered save John, and he was imprisoned. Why would we expect any different treatment?
America is just one more example of how God works. The Jews turned away from God and spent 490 years in slavery. We have only existed for 230 years. President Bush is probably the best believer we have had in decades, maybe centuries, yet you see how he is treated. The disease of sin has taken root in America and she is dieing. I remember when Pat Robertson said 9/11 happened because of sin in America and he was chastised from everywhere. Can God use Pharaoh to chastise His children? We've murdered 40 million babies since the '60's and homosexuals are kissing on prime time TV. The president of the US committed adultery and most likely rape, and was re elected, and even today draws cheering crowds. There is a reason we won WWII and lost Viet Nam. It wasn't the military, it was the people. We've lost 3000 men in the Iraq war and people want to give up and get back to their porn and gangsta rap. In WWII, we lost 6000 or more in one day. The enemy seeks to kill and destroy, and we can't wait for it. We have had plenty of time to repent. I think we gave God His answer Nov. 7th. My choices to choose from for 2008 are Hillary and Guliani? Do you believe a strong military is what wins wars? When a mushroom cloud rises over America, are we going to blame Bush or ourselves. If you've ever read about catching Benedict Arnold, Washington said it had to be God's providence that allowed him to be caught. If the message had gotten through, America would have lost the war.
I'm saved, but a country can only repent in a fixed time. It may be too late. Even New Yorkers have forgotten 9/11. People even went to church for a couple of weeks. How many do today? We seem to believe that because there isn't a flash of lightning and a clap of thunder when we commit sin, we got away with it. The debt is great and the bill is coming.
Thanks for answering.
Nancee
The "free exercise" part of the first amendment has been essentially as ignored as the third amendment.
My goodness! Look at all those Peters [obelisks] there in Rome. They do love their Peters [obelisks], and all of them seem to have come originally from Egypt. I wonder if there is any connection between those Peters [obelisks] and the Egyptian legend of Osiris, Isis and Horus that the Romans also imported from the land of Pharoah?
"We have staked the whole future of the American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
I took this quotation directly from the following source:
AMERICA'S God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, p. 411. I have now cross referenced this to the following:
The Myth of Separation (Aledo, TX; WallBuilder Press, 1999), p. 101
You wrote the following:
"I haven't heard that one, but it doesn't sound like Madison..."
I suppose I wonder why it doesn't sound like him when I consider the following:
1) He was known to have regularly led his household in the observance of family devotions;
2) He was an adamant defender of religious liberty;
3) He studied for the ministry before he took up the study of law;
4) He was Home-schooled as a child;
5) He also stated, on February 24, 1813, in a message to Congress,:
"The Government of Great Britain had already introduced into her commerce during the war a system which, at once violating the rights of other nations and resting on a mass of forgery and perjury unknown to other times, was making an unfortunate progress in undermining those principles of morality and religion which are the best foundation of national happiness...The general tendency of these demoralizing and disorganizing contrivances will be reprobated by the civilized and Christian world."
Besides being a great statesman, James Madison was a godly man. Why, then are you so sure that the quotation I initially placed on this thread and attributed to him, is a "bogus" quote; i.e., less that a "genuine" quote? Besides all of the above, I sincerely believe that his mindset as revealed in these and many other quotations, is not inconsistent with the mentality of all of his peers. Prior to, during and after the Revolution, these great men and women all wrote and made statements similar to these.
I meant no affront to you or to anyone else, and I don't really understand what seems to me a pretty intense level of defensiveness.
At any rate I thank you for keeping me on my toes.
Nancee
AMEN!! I would only add the phrase: "and conducts himself"!!
Nancee
Amen!
AMEN!!!
Nancee
Here is one of the concerns expressed by Thomas Jefferson about the judiciary:
"The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please."*
He knew exactly waht he was talking about; didn't he?
Nancee
* Jefferson Writings, p. 1426
So do I, which is why I sent all three of my children to private school.!!!
I'm with you for sure. If I could have homeschooled my children, I would have.
Nancee
BUMP!!!
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