Look what else he's holding. Lovely, just lovely.
Posted on 11/13/2006 10:57:02 PM PST by B4Ranch
FAITH UNDER FIRE
Ten Commandments stunner:
Feds lying at Supreme Court
Government tells modern visitors
it's Bill of Rights being honored
Every argument before the U.S. Supreme Court and every opinion the judges deliver comes in the presence of the Ten Commandments, God's law given to Moses on a fire-scorched mountain, and now represented for the United States in the very artwork embedded in the high court structure.
In today's world of revisionist history, the proof comes through the work of a California pastor who visited the Supreme Court building recently when he was in Washington and was surprised that what the tour guides were telling him wasn't the same thing as what he was seeing.
Todd DuBord, pastor of the Lake Almanor Community Church in California, said he was traveling with his wife, Tracy, and was more than startled during recent visits to the courthouse and two other historic locations to discover that the stories of the nation's heritage had been sterilized of Christian references.
His entire research compilation is available online.
"Having done some research (before the trip), I absolutely was not expecting to hear those remarks," which, he told WND, simply "denied history."
So he's written to the Supreme Court, and several other groups, asking them to restore the historic Christian influences to their information, and he's documented his research to explain to those interested what the history is and how it's been subverted.
"I would like to see the record rectified and the proper Christian and Judeo-Christian depictions taught in these places," he told WND.
He was most disturbed by what appears to be revisionism in the presentations given to visitors at the Supreme Court. There, he said, his tour guide was describing the marble frieze directly above the justices' bench.
"Between the images of the people depicting the Majesty of the Law and Power of Government, there is a tablet with ten Roman numerals, the first five down the left side and the last five down the right. This tablet represents the first ten amendments of the Bill of Rights," she said.
The ten what? was DuBord's thought.
Unwilling to be confrontational, he went home and started some research.
One official Supreme Court document, he found, cited a letter from sculptor Adolph A. Weinman that said the "pylon" carved with Roman numerals I to X "symbolizes the first ten amendments to the Constitution." But the letter was anomalous; it didn't have a number of certifying marks that were typical of others.
So he continued looking and after calling in some assistance in his hunt for evidence, he found a 1975 official U.S. Supreme Court Handbook, prepared under the direction of Mark Cannon, administrative assistant to the chief justice. It said, "Directly above the Bench are two central figures, depicting Majesty of the Law and Power of Government. Between them is a tableau of the Ten Commandments…"
Further research produced information that in 1987 the building was designated a National Historic Landmark, and came under control of the U.S. Department of the Interior, and under the new management the handbook was rewritten in 1988. The Ten Commandments reference was left out of that edition, and nothing replaced it.
The next reference found said only the frieze "symbolizes early written laws" and then in 1999, the reference first appeared to that depiction being the "Ten Amendments to the Bill of Rights."
"The more I got into it (his research), the more I saw Christianity had been abandoned from history," he told WND.
When he asked, his recent tour guide denied there were any Ten Commandments representations in the Supreme Court building, he said.
One who was not surprised by the circumstances, however, was Judge Roy Moore, a WND columnist and the former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. He was removed from office on a federal judge's order because he refused to remove a depiction of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama courthouse.
"They've distorted history to come up with their own version of things," he told WND. What such changes do, he said, "is divorce ourselves from an understanding of where our rights come from."
Without rights coming from God, he noted, government "assumes control over everything, including what you think."
"Why would they say the Ten Commandments weren't there? They had to come up with something. I could see the progressive disappearance of the word 'commandment' from their literature," said DuBord.
He had just returned from a trip to Turkey, where ancient Ephesus is.
"The tour guide was Muslim, and went on to say, with all respect to all of you, I need to say something to you about the Apostle Paul. ... And he went into an apologetic of Paul's teachings."
"He told us, 'These things happened here,'" DuBord said.
But then to return to the U.S. and find Christianity edited from history left him almost speechless.
"I thought, we started as a Christian nation, and we can't even get this here."
DeBord also noted that during his research of the "Weinman letter," he found another memorial in Washington, "The Oscar Solomon Memorial," noting the accomplishments of the first Jew to serve in a president's cabinet. It's on 14th Street between Pennsylvania and Constitution avenues.
It also was designed by Weinman, and like the Supreme Court image, depicts a human figure leaning on the same table with Roman numerals just as the East Wall Frieze.
But this time, an artist's letter confirms the tablets represent the Ten Commandments.
"Would Weinman have sculpted two identical tablets, in the same city, each with the Roman numerals I through V on one side and VI through X on the other, but with totally different identities?" DuBord wondered. "It seems very unlikely."
The current information office at the Supreme Court declined to talk on the record with WND when asked about Ten Commandments representations on the building, referring questioners to the website.
There, a document does indicate "Moses" is one of various lawgivers portrayed in the friezes, but the site doesn't mention "Ten Commandments." It does mention the "Ten Amendments."
DuBord said he knew of other representations, such as the lower part of the inside of each of the oak doors where people enter the inner Court Chamber, where two tablets carry Roman numerals I-V and VI-X.
But DuBord's tour guide said those – too – were the Ten Amendments.
He then asked, "If there are no other depictions of Moses or the Ten Commandments on the building except on the South Wall Frieze in the U.S. Supreme Court, then what about on the east side of the building where Moses is the central figure among others, holding both tablets of the Ten Commandments, one in each arm?"
"Her response shocked me as much as the guide inside the Court chamber. 'There is no depiction of Moses and the Ten Commandments like that on the U.S. Supreme Court,'" DuBord said he was told.
He asked if there were any pictures of the representation, and she pulled one out.
"Her eyes widened in surprise. There was Moses in photo and description as the central figure, holding the Ten Commandments (tablets), one in each hand," DuBord wrote.
Although there are six depictions of Moses and-or the Ten Commandments at the Supreme Court, the tour guides had been trained to admit to only the one on Moses, he said.
One doesn't have to be Christian, or endorse Christianity, to recognize its influence in history, he said.
"I am … respectfully requesting that the complete educational history regarding the depictions of Moses and The Ten Commandments be rediscovered and retaught to U.S. Supreme Court guides and to the public in the U.S. Supreme Court Building," he suggested in a letter to the court.
DuBord grew up without religion, but during seven years of academic study at Bethany University and Fuller Theological Seminary accepted that the claims of Christianity are true.
He's served in various prison, drug and alcohol rehab ministries and worked as a youth pastor and associate pastor before assuming his duties in Lake Almanor.
His messages can be downloaded at www.iTunes.com, by typing in "almanor" or "dubord."
But then again, look at who they have morphed Moses into on the frieze --- one of our founding fathers?????? So who is carrying those Tablets of the Ten Amendments: James Madison? T. Jefferson? G. Washington? I got it. Stonewall Jackson? It is pure lunacy and these people who rule us from there want to be taken seriously??????
That Washington Monument looks a lot like that same monument to Peter that sits right in the middle of the Vatican Circle in Rome. Do you think there might be some semblance of meaning here or just coincidence????
Funny.
Moses was NOT holding a sword while he held the Ten Commandments. (Er, amendments.)
So, why is only Mohammad depicted with a sword?
I do hope this is correct. I have read assertions that it is Islam that is the fastest growing religion.
Carolyn
It will take an act of God. And that my friends will happen at some point, whether we will still be called America or not is another question.
If those are the 10 Amendments - who's the guy holding them? This isn't even PC run amok, just more work by the anti-Christian devil brigade.
Never toured the court. I think I might, now.
You're confused. Nobody's claiming that Moses's tablet contains the Bill of Rights. Moses with the 10 Commandments is depicted on the *South* Frieze, but the author's conspiracy theory concerns the East Frieze. The east frieze has various allegorical figures representing stuff like Justice and Wisdom and Defense of Human Rights. In the center of the frieze are male figures representing "Majesty of Law" and "Power of Government". On the ground between those two figures is a large tablet which the sculptor says represents the Bill of Rights. *That's* the tablet the author is writing about, *not* Moses's tablet. Moses is not on the East Frieze at all.
I'm a bit confused with regard to the first comment. I don't believe I stated anything that would imply that I wanted state sponsorship. I don't believe we should allow revisionist efforts to basicly downgrade the legitimacy of our nation's founding principles.
I agree that this is our culture. I do believe it's worth fighting for.
Yes, Moses was a Jew, but it's undeniable that many of the Jewish tenets were brought over into Christianity. Jesus' admonition that the deciples go out and spread the good word to non-jews was the figurative birth of Christianity.
The Ten Commandments are very important to Christianity. Therefore I think the case you're making regarding Moses being a Jew is somewhat lost on the overall topic.
Would you agree?
It is well established law that the common law remains the basis of US law. Judges have to allow continuity in cases and procedure because it is simply not possible to legislate every piece of minutae - as a result, they refer to existing practice where the written law is silent, and that practice runs back through the colonies to England.
Nobody abolished the state of Massachusetts when the US formed. If you go to its founding documents, of course they were written by puritans. They didn't have much positive law yet. So they referred to the common law - and the old testament. Which wasn't an innovation really, the same existed under the common law in England itself. Naturally there are unjust practices in past history and in past law, and we are right to chance them by positive law etc.
Nations existing through a depth of time that gives the lie to all radical modern ideologies. In very recent times, modern ideologues hostile to religion are attempting to excise religious influences from our history - but this has nothing to do with constitutions or the law.
You never see the ideologues in question putting things to a vote, as those who framed our laws always did, because to them the entire point of alleging something is a matter of law, is to persecute for their own brand of religious belief without even stating it, let alone convincing the people of any of it.
The very text you site puts a limit on actions by congress, and congress is not the universe. It also refers to an entirely clear legal concept at the time it was written, when most of the world and half of the states had established, single, official, religious doctrines. Which were in no way affected by that amendment.
What is happening in the actions described in the article is a Stalinist attempt to erase known friendly attitudes of all our legal traditions toward the basic judeo-christian heritage of the nation, by directly lying about the actual history of the country and its institutions. Which is indefensible in any cause, let alone in one that is indefensible to start with.
chance = change, site = cite - typos, sorry.
Actually, the reason freedom of religion was included had more to do with fear of one Christian sect having more power than another. That was the whole point behind Jefferson's "wall." He did not want to see a state church. His own beliefs aside, he did recognize that the Creator his countrymen referred to in their churches was the same God as the Christian God, which in turn, is the same God of the Jews. That God said that we should have no other gods before him, referring to pagan idolatry. In Christianity, Christ is accepted or not, at one's own risk, and has to do with personal salvation. One is free to choose that or not. The Jews, with the exception of the Messianic Jews, do not accept Christ as the Messenger and they have the freedom to make that choice. But the fact remains that Jews and Christians believe in the same God. This is the same God/Creator referred to in all of the documents and speeches of the Founding Fathers of this country. According to Jefferson and Adams, on the other hand, Musselmen and their god were bizarre and dangerous.
The next reference found said only the frieze "symbolizes early written laws" and then in 1999, the reference first appeared to that depiction being the "Ten Amendments to the Bill of Rights."
The ignorance of the Supreme Court staff is mind-boggling. Amendments One through Ten are not amendments to the Bill of Rights; they are the Bill of Rights. These are amendments to the Constitution. The first ten amendments to the Constitution comprise the Bill of Rights. There have been no amendments to the Bill of Rights (apart from Supreme Court rulings that have totally distorted what the Bill of Rights says). The fact that a tour guide at the Supreme Court and a reference document at the Supreme Court referred to "Ten Amendments to the Bill of Rights" speaks volumes about the rampant ignorance in this country of our history and the founding of this country. (It reminds me of the idiot assistant prosecutor in the OJ Simpson trial stating that the Constitution guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.)
Moses came down from the mountain with the tablets bearing the Ten Amendments. This was before Jesus changed the water into juice.
Look what else he's holding. Lovely, just lovely.
Islam doesn't get any converts it doesn't bribe or coerce.
He should be veiled.
And this means what? If I am Hindu, I cannot freely exercise my religion if confronted with a symbol of a different religion? That is what this has been turned into.
Also, I would love to get a reaction from one of the Orwellian Tourist Guides when confronted with the facts.
"OK, like below, is a picture of a man holding the Ten Amendments."
"Excuse me, miss, but those tablets are written in Hebrew. Look at the writing? Aren't those really the Ten Commandments? Is the Supreme Court afraid of acknowledging God?"
"OK, are there, like, any other questions?"
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