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Giuliani 'Unacceptable' for President, Conservatives Say
CNSNews ^ | November 15, 2006 | Randy Hall

Posted on 11/15/2006 7:30:55 AM PST by 300magnum

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To: areafiftyone

Geez, there are a lot of rudy for president threads lately, hard for me to keep up.


161 posted on 11/15/2006 9:21:35 AM PST by SDGOP
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To: EQAndyBuzz
NO, you're wrong. He's not:

Gay marriage: "This is a state issue. But I will not tolerate judges who will overturn state decisions on this issue."

Abortion: "This is a state's rights issue. I intend to nominate judges who know their job is to interpret the laws not legislate from the bench."

Gun Control: "I've talked to a lot of gun owners as I've crossed the country the last few years and I've changed my mind."

Really, this stuff isn't hard. If people believe him to be a man of his word, then they'll vote for him.

From a political theater point of view, he should sometime in the next year or so get "invited" on a hunting trip, to a shooting match, or maybe both. He should be seen listening to the gun owners, not just "changing his mind". He should talk to them, and really listen, with humility and an open mind. It will make his turn-around more persuasive. 8.31.2006 2:53pm (link)Ken Hall (www):

SOURCE

162 posted on 11/15/2006 9:27:15 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: 300magnum

ABORTION UBER ALLES!!

The fact that the DNC felt the need to comment on this so quickly shows me that the libtards are afriad of Rudy taking New York and making their candidate a nonstarter. Something tells me the Pro-Life or Else crowd would have seen nothing wrong with making a moron like George Allen our President.


163 posted on 11/15/2006 9:27:36 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Fawn

Changed his mind on gun control? LOL. Talk is cheap. He had his chance. He only "changed" his mind because he wants power. How obvious can you get!


164 posted on 11/15/2006 9:29:59 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Fawn

BTW, if you want a candidate who doesn't chance his mind to suit the polls, Chuck Hagel is a far better choice. He was critical of the Iraq quagmire (yet is pro-gun and pro-free market) when it wasn't cool.


165 posted on 11/15/2006 9:33:52 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: SDGOP

LOL - It's going to be like that with all the candidates once they announce they might/or will run.


166 posted on 11/15/2006 9:34:48 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: savedbygrace

First of all, I'm 40. Neither too young, nor too old.

Secondly, where did I use the word "Nazi" in this post?

You don't think there can be a totalitarianism of the right? Why should a government composed of party apparatchiks, who manipulate the nomination process to their benefit (this is done on both sides of the aisle, btw) be preferable? Simply because one might be "right" and the other "left"? Simply because one side says "I feel as you do"?

Quite frankly, both are to be avoided like the plague. The fact that many conservatives wrap their agenda in the flag, or Scripture, doesn't mean that when they achieve political power that they will exercise it any more responsibly than the "other side" would (I submit, as proof, the last Congress). In fact, thery're just as likely to manipulate and plunder as leftists are. That's human nature at work. Just because Candidate A was seen coming out of a Church and Candidate B was seen at an abortion rally, it doesn't automatically follow that A must be better than B, unless you have something else by which to judge them.

That something else is debate. A chance for a candidate to make his/her case. The problem arises when the candidate is not ALLOWED to make their case, and that permission is not necessarily denied because of anything the GOVERNMENT does, but because the CITIZENS are of such a bent that they simply refuse to hear it. They shoot the messenger and never hear the message because the messenger might not live up to some mystical standard.

There is a censorship being exercised here, and I for one, never considered censorship as being a republican virtue. I don't say "Vote for Rudy because he's the only hope" I only say "put your prejudices aside for a minute and listen to what he has to offer". From where I sit, it doesn't appear as if he'll get that chance, as he's been immediately attacked by prudes and hypocrites.


167 posted on 11/15/2006 9:35:59 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: SDGOP

Although I don't think their threads will be as caustic!


168 posted on 11/15/2006 9:36:29 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: Paige

Sorry, still doesn't wash. please learn what liberalism is and what it's supposed to mean before you throw it around so carelessly.

There's a lot of this going around FR.

People who can't even define the opposing political theories and systems really should be more circumspect when entering a political debate.


169 posted on 11/15/2006 9:37:49 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: 300magnum

No McScream, No Rudy for this soldier!


170 posted on 11/15/2006 9:38:23 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The US Military Services are THE BEST PEOPLE on the planet. God protect them.)
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To: Captain Kirk

RU SERIES? You don't allow candidates to change their mind after research, talking with people and seeing the light?? HOw many people in FR were former Dems...but 'changed their mind'. You hate them too?


171 posted on 11/15/2006 9:38:38 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: Fawn

I have more respect for people who change their minds, like Chuck Hagel, when they have to pay a price. Rudy is only changing his mind to get elected.


172 posted on 11/15/2006 9:40:11 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Fawn

"HOw many people in FR were former Dems...but 'changed their mind'. "

I was a flaming lib. Anti-war, anti-business, pro-abortion environmentalist you name it and I was it.

I still hold some liberal beliefs but I also understand that these beliefs cannot be the focal point on how our nation plays on the global stage. In that light, I am to the right of Al Haig.


173 posted on 11/15/2006 9:43:53 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I thank the RNC for freeing me to vote my values rather then political party. It is liberating!)
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To: DTogo
So the Religious Right doesn't like Rudy, doesn't like Mormon Romney, doesn't like McCain, doesn't like Newt. Looks like Clinton '08!

For a Republican to win it is essential that both Christian conservatives are excited and libertarians in general are excited about the candidate. From a political perspective, there is a fair amount of commonality between the two. You shouldn't steal private property, and you shouldn't covet private property provide the philosophical basis for both views of economics. Even most libertarians agree that killing innocent human life is murder and there is a basis for some limited government for the purpose of justice in society.

Rudy clearly has gifts in the area of administration. But his stance on abortion, or the killing of innocent human life will alienate a large percentage of conservative votes.

Many conservative Christians view Mormonism as a cult. This is alienate votes as well.

Newt is clearly gifted at formulating conservative policy in concise popular terms. Personal character related to faithfulness in marriage matters to many Republicans. It is harder for conservatives as there are higher standards. Liberals simply don't care unless they can point to conservatives who are hypocrites.

Anyone reading freerepublic can observe that Sen McCain has alienated his base. The special interest effect is correctly articulated in terms of economic. [ex $100 and 101 people] Small groups of people robbing public money [ex $100 for 1 person] for relatively large amounts per person or group and large groups with little incentive to vote against it as the amount per person is much less [100 people $1 per person]. It is not an issue related to free speech just before an election. The special interest effect is actually a case for limited government, not for removal of a constitutional right to speak out before an election. How can one expect McCain to uphold and defend the constitution?

There are several outstanding Republican governors, congressman and senators who would make outstanding candidates. The problem isn't that there are no other candidates who would run a strong race. The problem lies with the liberal media picking their favorite republican before the primaries. A candidate that will excite Christian conservatives, and libertarians will not excite the main stream media.
174 posted on 11/15/2006 9:44:09 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: FreedomProtector

someday I will learn to proof read:

This is alienate votes as well.->This alienates votes as well.


175 posted on 11/15/2006 9:47:21 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: areafiftyone
Careful now, the mccainiacs will descend on this thread and bash rudy.

I think this is their message to us(Mccainiacs):


176 posted on 11/15/2006 9:53:52 AM PST by SDGOP
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To: 100-Fold_Return

What is your beef with CNSNEWS?


177 posted on 11/15/2006 9:58:41 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: SDGOP

Oh gross! I WAS going to get some lunch but I think I'll hold off for a while! LOL


178 posted on 11/15/2006 10:00:12 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: areafiftyone

Lol, sorry. I love this picture, it's so typical of mccainiacs and mccain.


179 posted on 11/15/2006 10:02:37 AM PST by SDGOP
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To: JFC

"The Anti-s are the reason we lost the last election. One issue conservatives are not my voice and I am not going to bow down to them at every whim anymore!"

So you prefer the liberal Republicans?


180 posted on 11/15/2006 10:03:45 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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