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America's Mayor? Maybe. But America's President?
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | November 15, 2006 | Mark Coultan

Posted on 11/15/2006 8:49:32 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule

America's Mayor? Maybe. But America's President?

So Rudy Giuliani has announced his intention to run for president. Well, to be exact, he has formed an organisation to explore a bid for the presidency.

When Giuliani's marriage collapsed, he moved in with two gay men and a Chihuahua named Bonnie. Is America ready for this man?

His announcement came as no great surprise, as he has been scratching his chin about this for 12 months. That didn't stop the New York tabloids from giving him front-page treatment.

The Daily News headline was "Rudy, Set, Go!" The New York Post said: "Count me in".

The New York Times thought it was worth eight paragraphs on page 18. It was next to a story about the other Republican front-runner John McCain. The two of them are the only Republicans whom opinion polls show could beat Hillary Clinton.

Giuliani actually topped McCain in a CNN poll this week, 29 per cent to 27 per cent.

Even five years after September 11, Giuliani retains the afterglow of his steadfast handling of the terrorist attacks, although a recent book Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11, by Dan Collins and Wayne Barrett, attempted to rewrite the story of "America's mayor".

It's only a week since the midterm elections, but, in America's endless cycle of politics, everybody is now talking about the 2008 presidential election. Already one Democrat, Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack, and one Republican, Duncan Hall, have announced they are running. Both are asterisks in the opinion polls.

A Giuliani-Clinton contest would be a rerun of what should have been the contest for the Senate seat in New York in 2000. But Giuliani withdrew after being diagnosed with prostate cancer. The Daily News called the potential match-up "the race we've dreamed of".

It may be for New York, which hasn't had a real presidential contender for a generation or more, but is it the race America dreams of?

Rudy v Hil would give America the choice of two pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control candidates. Giuliani has been married three times (as The Daily News reminded readers, when one of his marriages collapsed, he moved in with two gay men and a Chihuahua named Bonnie), while Hillary has lived a thousand lives in her marriage to Bill Clinton.

Giuliani faces an uphill struggle to win his party's nomination, where Christian conservatives make up a vital part of the membership base.

Clinton would find it easier to win her party's endorsement, but she might find it harder to convince those same conservatives in a general election. It's early, early days yet, but America's conservative vote is still up for grabs.

Posted by Mark Coultan

November 15, 2006 03:08 PM


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; guliani
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A view of Guiliani from Australia.
1 posted on 11/15/2006 8:49:36 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Some NY republicans I know for his pre 9-11 management of NYC, (BTW which seems to be alot of overhyped rhetoric), In eny event, he's 3/4 lib. Why on God's great earth should I vote for him?


2 posted on 11/15/2006 8:57:48 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: right-wingin_It

read "...some NY republicans I know (like him) for .."


3 posted on 11/15/2006 8:58:57 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
NY (liberal) Daily News, NY (liberal) Times, (liberal) CNN.......all support Rudy.

What's that I see? Why, it looks like red flags waving in the wind.

4 posted on 11/15/2006 9:00:53 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
One more time.

Giuliani supports big government, gun control, abortion on demand, opposes a ban on partial birth abortion, supports and promotes the gay agenda and he supports amnesty for illegals.

If you support Giuliani for Prez, you support the liberal agenda.

5 posted on 11/15/2006 9:07:33 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

It was the chihuahua.


6 posted on 11/15/2006 9:08:23 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Never Forget / Giuliani 2008)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Rudy v Hil would give America the choice of two pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control candidates.

...to the delight of liberals everywhere.
7 posted on 11/15/2006 9:09:16 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Reagan Man
I can not argue the other facts though I doubt he would champion them as president (if not outright ignore them) but one thing that I can say is he dose not support big government.
8 posted on 11/15/2006 9:19:03 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86
--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." (excerpted from Rudy!, the biography by Wayne Barrett).

Sounds like a fan of big government to me. Either that, or your definition of big government is a whole lot bigger than mine.

9 posted on 11/15/2006 9:21:42 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil

I believe he was probably talking about welfare reform in which he also enacted in NYC.


10 posted on 11/15/2006 9:22:50 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Duncan Hunter is off to such a good start, he's called Duncan Hall in his article.


11 posted on 11/15/2006 9:23:13 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Rudy for President?

He can be President of Manhattan, or even President of the Empire State,

But... President of the United States of America???

NFW!


12 posted on 11/15/2006 9:24:56 PM PST by Redbob
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Giuliani is a whale of a lot better than anybody named Clinton. I rest my case in support of Giuliani.


13 posted on 11/15/2006 9:27:46 PM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: spikeytx86

Rudy Guiliani has marched in lockstep with liberals on affirmative action, gay rights, gay marriage, gun control, school prayer, tuition tax credits, liberal immigration policies, and he's reinforced it, time and time again. Just about everytime Rudy opens his mouth, offensive liberal words come pouring out. As Mayor, Rudy put liberals in high-paid city jobs, an indication what a Rudy WH would look like. Here then is Rudy in his own words:

--The New York State Liberal Party on its endorsement of Rudy Giuliani for Mayor: "When the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion." N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of Candidate Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

--On the Republican Party: "Mr. Rockefeller represented 'a tradition in the Republican Party' I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." Rudy Giuliani told the New York Times July 9, 1992

--Village Voice Interview with Guiliani: He was asked: "What kind of Republican Is [Giuliani]? A Reagan Republican?" Giuliani pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." Village Voice January 24, 1989

--On Attending 1996 Republican Convention: Rudy expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention." said Rudy. Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Page 459, by Wayne Barrett

--On Barry Goldwater: Giuliani described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant. Barry Goldwater as an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man." New York Daily News, May 13, 1997

--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--The Daily News quoted Giuliani as saying March 1996: "Whether you talk about President Clinon, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group." An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, Rudy said: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett, Page 459

---Rudy Giuliani Endorses Democratic Governor Mario Cuomo October 1994: "From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, ˜Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo." Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City book by Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133

--Reaction to Giuliani Endorsement of Cuomo: "Once again, Rudolph Giuliani has demonstrated that liberalism is the foundation of his political philosophy. While Giuliani sold a bill of goods to trusting Republicans and Reagan Democrats that he had abandoned his roots as a McGovern Democrat, in his endorsement of Mario Cuomo, Mr. Liberal himself, he has shown his true colors. Giuliani's argument that Cuomo will be better for the city has a hollow ring to it. Perhaps Rudy wants a governor who will sign over a blank check to constantly bail out the city from its fiscal problems. Giuliani knows, as do all New Yorkers, that Cuomo's liberal policies have been an economic disaster for our city and state." "But Rudy doesn't care. He has proven he will do anything to stop the election of a conservative Republican - but he won't succeed." Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party Press Statement, October 25, 1994

--"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party." Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party, CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994

--On Gay Domestic-Partner Rights: "National Republicans can lump it if they don't like his new domestic-partners bill, "Mayor Giuliani said yesterday. "I really haven't thought about what the impact is on Republican politics or national politics or Democratic politics," Giuliani said. The bill he submitted to the City Council would extend the benefits city agencies must grant to gay and lesbian couples. "I'm proud of it," Giuliani said of the bill. "I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country." New York Daily News, May 13, 1998

--On Gay-Rights/Gay Rights Bill: Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately. "I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action." ".......It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment." New York Post, June 5, 1993

--Now Rudy Giuliani has jumped on the bandwagon, pressing the state Republican Party to release a gay-rights bill to the Senate floor for a vote. Marching in Sunday's [Gay Pride] parade, he has enlisted in the struggle to destroy the family. What a perfectly abominable springboard to seek high political office. Ray Kerrison New York Post, June 30, 1993

--Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal." quoting Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989

--On Gay Domestic Partnership: "I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership," said Rudy Giuliani on Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992

--On Abortion: Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.

--Rudy Guiliani on abortion: "I'd give my daughter the money for it [an abortion]."

--"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989

--As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989

--On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998

--On School Choice: "He doesn't support tuition tax credits and vouchers." Sandra Feldman, President of N.Y.C. Teacher's Union, 1993

--On Taxes: [Giuliani] says ruling out a tax increase is "political pandering." Newsday, August 31, 1989

...just in case you thought this was a minor point about welfare reform. Rudy's also defended Clinton's record, stating that his mismanagement of the country didn't contribute to Islamic terrorism. Perhaps you agree with that, which is why you are so fond of Rudy.


14 posted on 11/15/2006 9:30:23 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: spikeytx86
As Mayor of America's biggest liberal city, Rudy championed big government. He never attempted to abolish the city income tax. NYCity property taxes and ultilities rates are some of the highest in the nation. The city budget increased 18% under Rudy, from 1995 to 2001. Rudy left behind a projected $2-billion deficit, that later became a $4.5-billion deficit. Not to mention a $42-billion debt. Second only to the federal govt. Contractual agreements under Rudy almost doubled, from $3-billion to $5.8-billion. And he added some 20K new city employees, of which 15K were teachers, swelling the ranks of the AFT and the NEA.

As Mayor of NYCity Rudy championed gun control, and he called for an assault weapons ban. Throughout his tenure as Mayor, Rudy championed special rights for homos and happily marched in the annual gay pride parade. He also supported NYCity as a sanctuary for illegals.

What more do you want? Rudy is a liberal.

15 posted on 11/15/2006 9:40:56 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Old_Mil

My opinion is that what a man says when running the most liberal city in the US is quite different than what he will do as President.

He praised the choices of Roberts and Alito and said his nominees would be in the same vein. He is also a proven leader as evidenced by his actions during the worst event in our nation's history.

He has my vote.


16 posted on 11/15/2006 9:44:48 PM PST by HelloooClareece (Support the CinC during WARTIME or get outta my way.)
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To: Reagan Man
"The city budget increased 18%"

That comes out to 3% over the 6 year period you talked about. That is approximately the average inflation rate for that period. In essence the budget never grew in real dollar terms over those 6 years. Some big spender!

That is actually pretty amazing figuring the city council is dominated by politico ranging from run of the mill liberals to outright communists. I know of a lot of cities and states (not to mention the feds)that are dominated by Republicans and spending is out of control.

He would have never had the votes to abolish the income tax. Remember politics is the art of the possible and as it is he did what most thought was the impossible.

He also slashed taxes in other areas and reformed NYC welfare system in which when he came in almost 20% of the city was on.

Remember he was the mayor of NYC with a hostile city council. All in all on the fiscal side he did amazing.

Now on Immigration,gun control, and abortion I do not agree with him and I hope he has modified or even disavowed those positions. I am waiting to see where he stands when he officially announces.
17 posted on 11/15/2006 9:52:55 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86

In addition, he outsmarted the teacher's union and got them under control.


18 posted on 11/15/2006 10:08:18 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

"the other Republican front-runner John McCain"

John McLame? Ugh.


19 posted on 11/15/2006 10:10:09 PM PST by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: spikeytx86
>>>>That comes out to 3% over the 6 year period you talked about. That is approximately the average inflation rate for that period. In essence the budget never grew in real dollar terms over those 6 years. Some big spender!

Nice try. If Rudy didn't support big government, he would have made an EFFORT to slash the budget. That didn't happen. He also made no EFFORT to end the city income tax. Add that $4.5 billion deficit to the overall bill handed the NYCity taxpayers and the overall budget increase went up some 33% in six years. And you completely forgot about the $42 billion debt level Rudy left behind. Imagine Rudy with his hands on the federal budget of almost $3 trillion. LOL

Rudy did reduce crime in NYCity, in an era when national crime rates were falling. From what I've read crime began dropping under the Dikens admin. Rudy did reduce welfare rolls, but he didn't abolish welfare. NYCity remains a welfare haven. By abolishing the 12.5% surtax on city income tax rates, Rudy did stimulate business growth within the city limits. If he hadn't succeded at lowering costs for businesses to relocate to NYCity, he wouldn't have been reelected. The Democrat controlled City Council understood that too, and they supported improving the business climate.

You think Rudy is the savior of the GOP. From my conservative perspective, no matter how you slice it, Rudy is a liberal.

20 posted on 11/15/2006 10:26:58 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: muleskinner
>>>>In addition, he outsmarted the teacher's union and got them under control.

Rudy actually added 15,000 new teachers to the city employment rolls. That means, 15,000 new members of the AFT and the NEA. The education system in NYCity remains broken. Rudy fixed nothing.

21 posted on 11/15/2006 10:30:25 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
I did not say he was the savior of the GOP. I personally think he would make a great president. I don't care if he is he has Liberal tendencies. What I do know is that all in all he has been a Loyal Republican and has been a strong fiscal conservative and has the right stands on the GWOT so to me he is among my favorite contenders. He is not the only guy I am looking at.

1. Giuliani
2. Romney
3. Sanford

Is where my list stands at this moment.

"If Rudy didn't support big government, he would have made an EFFORT to slash the budget."

You would have to apply that standard to almost every Republican in elected office in the past 10 years then.

"Add that $4.5 billion deficit "

You mean the deficit after the 9/11 attacks and hard recession? "From what I've read crime began dropping under the Dinkens admin" Yeah they did abit, then they started to drop like a rock under Rudy. Rudy took a city that would make Detroit look like Vermont crime and quality of life wise and turned it into America's Shining Jewel again.
22 posted on 11/15/2006 10:42:52 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: right-wingin_It

Some New Yorkers (such as myself) would never consider voting for him because of his pre 9/11 management of NYC. This whole Giuliani for President thing utterly baffles me.


23 posted on 11/15/2006 10:58:23 PM PST by slaymakerpowertape
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To: spikeytx86
>>>>>You would have to apply that standard to almost every Republican in elected office in the past 10 years then.

Reagan didn't have control of the House, that means he didn't have control of the purse strings. Yet Reagan was able to reduce welfare state expenditures by some 4% a year over his eight years in office. Reagan then applied those savings to his military buildup. Newt came along with his Contract With America and spending was reduced to its lowest levels in 25 years. And Newt was able to balance the budget in the process and we had a surplus for three years.

When Rudy reduced the welfare rolls, he should have taken those savings and reduced the budget or the debt. When Rudy left office, his admin projected a $2.0 billion deficit. That exploded to $4.5 billion. What part of that was due to 9-11, I don't know. Good leadership makes the right adjustments. Crime dropped under Rudy, and went down even further under Mike Bloomberg. That doesn't mean I'm willing to vote for Mayor Mike for Prez.

You know what I think. I think you're a closet liberal.

24 posted on 11/15/2006 11:00:48 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: spikeytx86

25 posted on 11/15/2006 11:10:01 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
"You know what I think. I think you're a closet liberal."

Yep I am a pelosi plant.

Is it even remotely possible to have a debate on a presidential contender around here without being labeled a liberal because we disagree?

"Reagan didn't have control of the House, that means he didn't have control of the purse strings. Yet Reagan was able to reduce welfare state expenditures by some 4% a year over his eight years in office."

I said going back a decade. Today's Republican Party and the Republican Party of Reagan and Gingrich are very different parties. Also don't forget Reagan had the support of "Reagan Democrats" in which were quite sizable giving him a defacto majority on a lot of issues.

From the end of the government shut down on it has been downhill for fiscal discipline in Washington and you know it.

Again if a Reagenesque conservative enters the race then I will most likely back him. But there ain't no one like that on the scene. So if it is between Giuliani or McCain then I am going Giuliani. You never no it could be like the 92' democratic primary where all the big candidates dropped out and a relative no body came along and took the nomination. It could happen to us this time around. But as of today my money is with Giuliani. As the race starts to get underway a year from now I may be backing someone else. If we cant debate who our leader is going to be without delving into paranoia and attacking each other then we are f**k'd as a party.
26 posted on 11/15/2006 11:11:21 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86

Good Lord, Son, my damned cat is older than you are, of course you don't care if "he has liberal tendencies".
This RINO takeover movement is going to wreck the GOP, things are already gone too far to the left. Rudy did not become a Republican because of strong personal convictions, he switched as a political expedient. All he changed is the letter after his name. He could, and would, switch back tomorrow, for the same reason, and think nothing of it.


27 posted on 11/15/2006 11:12:12 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: Reagan Man

What liberal talking points am I spouting?

You also realize he was an U.S. Attorney under the Reagan Administration Right?

With all do respect sir, I have been nothing but respectful in our little conversation and I expect the same in return. Are the only tactics you have left is to smear me?


28 posted on 11/15/2006 11:15:37 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"Rudy did not become a Republican because of strong personal convictions, he switched as a political expedient"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah we all know the way to get elected in NYC is to become a Republican HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA.

Again I think this is the third time on this string alone I have said if a Conservative in Reagan's mold enters the race I will more then Likely back him (or her). But right now it stands between him and McCain and I ain't backing McCain!
29 posted on 11/15/2006 11:18:50 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86
>>>>Is it even remotely possible to have a debate on a presidential contender around here without being labeled a liberal because we disagree?

I'm very civil when it comes to discussing Gingrich, Romney, McCain and the others. Not when it comes to Rudy the liberal. Sorry.

>>>>Today's Republican Party and the Republican Party of Reagan and Gingrich are very different parties.

Wonder why? Reagan set the standard for conservatives, and Gingrich advanced the Reagan agenda even further. It was up to Bush to take it to the next level. Bush`s domestic agenda took the GOP leftward. Too much spending, expansion of the federal bureaucracy, increase in the welfare state and promoting liberal immigration reform.

>>>Again if a Reagenesque conservative enters the race then I will most likely back him.

That's good to hear.

>>>> ... if it is between Giuliani or McCain then I am going Giuliani.

That's not good to hear. Giuliani makes McCain look like a staunch rightwinger.

>>>>If we cant debate who our leader is going to be without delving into paranoia and attacking each other then we are f**k'd as a party.

Paranoia? LOL I'm not about to toss away my conservative principles, just because you've lost your mind. I was born and raised in Brooklyn of the 50`s and 60`s, and I grew up with guys like Rudy. I know what makes them tick. Rudy is a liberal to his core convictions. Rudy doesn't have a conservative bone in his body.

30 posted on 11/15/2006 11:27:07 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: spikeytx86

I will vote for Rudy when he gets the Sullivan Act overturned and stops supporting abortion on demand. Just when do you expect that to happen?


31 posted on 11/15/2006 11:28:45 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: spikeytx86
Talk about paranoid. LOL

In my post at #25, Reagan is talking to Giuliani.

32 posted on 11/15/2006 11:29:16 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man

You have to remember NYC has had the Sullivan Act since 1931 I believe, that has had made it very difficult for the public to own firearms. Just thank the 18th ammendmant for that.


33 posted on 11/15/2006 11:30:33 PM PST by lndrvr1972
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To: Reagan Man
"That's not good to hear. Giuliani makes McCain look like a staunch rightwinger."

I like McCain's stanch on Iraq and Defense in general but that is about where it ends. Giuliani is for a Republican Candidate on the liberal side (though no Rockefeller) however McCain is a flip flopper in the first degree. "Wonder why? Reagan set the standard for conservatives, and Gingrich advanced the Reagan agenda even further. It was up to Bush to take it to the next level. Bush`s domestic agenda took the GOP leftward. Too much spending, expansion of the federal bureaucracy, increase in the welfare state and promoting liberal immigration reform. " No argument here.
34 posted on 11/15/2006 11:31:43 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: lndrvr1972

Over the years, Rudy has called for more gun control laws and a federal ban on assault weapons. Rudy isn't a true supporter of the 2nd amendment and the RKBA.


35 posted on 11/15/2006 11:33:36 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I don't believe I ever asked you to back him, could you show me where I did?

And though at this moment I do back Giuliani (In which could change depending on who actually enters the race) My original post in the section was just setting the record straight that he did not support big government. That's it.
36 posted on 11/15/2006 11:34:30 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Reagan Man
My apologies. Since you labeled me as a liberal in your post before that I thought you were referring to me.
37 posted on 11/15/2006 11:36:15 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86

Take my word for it. Rudy fits the mold of a Rockefeller Republican. I'm not on my main PC right now so I can't get to a quote from Rudy where he calls himself a Rockefeller Republican, in the mold of Jacob Javits and Nelson Rockefeller. Nuts!


38 posted on 11/15/2006 11:38:22 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Old_Mil
And if Rudy wanted to do the country and the Republican Party a big favor--
he should have run against Hillary for the Senate!!

He could have done the country (and the state of NY) a great deal of good in that role, while remaining true to his 'obvious liberal leanings' as a New York senator.

I don't think that anyone (even here) would have opposed Rudy 'dethroning' Hillary. I would have thought that NY would have been perfect for him, easy pickings--after all, they know him best and his liberal positions would have been very in-tune with NY!!!

He could have defeated her,,,and THEN ran for President. He might even have gotten a few more conservatives to support his run if he had taken care of Hillary first.

But then again, his liberal leanings are not too far away from those of Hillary anyway. So I suspect he figured the 'status quo' was just fine in NY--no need to make a change there at all.

He'll never get my vote.

39 posted on 11/15/2006 11:45:31 PM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Reagan Man
I know the man has faults. But my feelings right now Is our Nation needs a leader and as of this moment I can think of no one better. Many in the party hated Eisenhower too, Goldwater called his administration a "Dime Store New Deal" but can you honestly say he was not a excellent leader? Reagan as governor of California governed much more liberally then when he was President. Some people change. I can't say Rudy has, I pray he has, but I cant say that he has because it would be a lie. He has not released any policy positions yet so I can not make a final decision yet. I pray for our party and nation to find our next Reagan not for Rudy to get the nomination.

You have no Idea how much I am praying for a Reagan 2 to come out of the shadow's, but I just can't think of one Republican out there that fits the bill. If you do dear god share it with the rest of us!
40 posted on 11/15/2006 11:49:43 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86

IMO, Rudy did a some good things for NewYorkers, but he's still a liberal. His leadership is all centered around the immediate aftermath of 9-11. That's not enough in my book. Bottomline. Conservatives will not support Rudy in the GOP primaries. Especially social conservatives. And without the Republican Party base backing Rudy, his candidacy is DOA. Some polls may show Rudy on top. Wait until people get to see his liberal governing record and his ultra social liberal positions. Some FReepers are so infatuated with Rudy, it rivels what happened around here during the 2003 Cal recall election. I said at that time, if the liberal Republican Arnold Scwarzenegger wins, it will open the door for other liberal Republicans like Giuliani. I was right. Here we go again. Except this time the playing field is a lot bigger --- the White House and the Oval Office. I will not vote for a liberal. This conservative will never vote for Rudy.


41 posted on 11/16/2006 12:04:05 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man

>He never attempted to abolish the city income tax.

The CITY has an income tax?


42 posted on 11/16/2006 12:23:21 AM PST by ROTB (Our Constitution ... only for a moral and religious people... -- John Q. Adams, October 11, 1798)
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To: lndrvr1972

The Sullivan Act in New York went into effect in 1911, not 1931. It is one of the oldest gun control laws and predates the 18th amendment by a number of years.


43 posted on 11/16/2006 1:24:35 AM PST by slaymakerpowertape
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To: stockstrader

Actually, I don't think he would have defeated her.


44 posted on 11/16/2006 1:25:26 AM PST by slaymakerpowertape
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To: Reagan Man

Then lets hope there is a damn fine conservative out there waiting to emerge when the time is right.


45 posted on 11/16/2006 8:55:25 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86

"My original post in the section was just setting the record straight that he did not support big government".



Of course he does, HE IS BIG GOVERNMENT. He believes that government is even bigger than the Constitution.


46 posted on 11/16/2006 9:07:41 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: slaymakerpowertape
You are probably correct. He probably could not have beat her.

But if he (and we) assumed that he could NOT have defeated her--in a very BLUE state that is much more in-tune with his liberal leanings, where he is known best and very, VERY popular,,,,

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD HE THINK HE COULD BEAT HER NATIONALLY,,,when 'flyover country' is much more conservative than a blue state like NY??

47 posted on 11/16/2006 9:20:37 AM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: slaymakerpowertape

My bad.


48 posted on 11/16/2006 8:09:08 PM PST by lndrvr1972
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To: concerned about politics

NY (liberal) Times, (liberal) CNN.......all support Rudy.



The NYTimes does and always hated Rudy.


49 posted on 11/16/2006 8:14:57 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: stockstrader

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD HE THINK HE COULD BEAT HER NATIONALLY,,,when 'flyover country' is much more conservative than a blue state like NY?



So you think flyover country will vote for Hillary over Rudy? I got a bridge in Brooklyn...


50 posted on 11/16/2006 8:17:48 PM PST by Blackirish
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