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US Catholic Church seeks to find root of priest sex abuse
AFP ^ | 11/16/06

Posted on 11/16/2006 9:54:57 AM PST by presidio9

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To: NoDRodee
Mangalitza pig
 
See Acts 20:19-20 (Saul Speaking)
19"And I said, 'Lord, they themselves understand that in one synagogue after another I used to imprison and beat those who believed in You.
20'And when the blood of Your witness Stephen was being shed, I also was standing by approving, and watching out for the coats of those who were slaying him.'


Thanks for providing the Scripture; I had overlooked it in my search.  It sure appears that there was but ONE Saul/Paul, and that he WAS a 'young' man.  (I now wonder what 'young' means  ;^)
 
 
 
But... it was HERE...

NIV Acts 22:19-20
 19.  "`Lord,' I replied, `these men know that I went from one synagogue to another to imprison and beat those who believe in you.
 20.  And when the blood of your martyr  Stephen was shed, I stood there giving my approval and guarding the clothes of those who were killing him.'
 
Not here...
 
 

NIV Acts 20:19-21
 19.  I served the Lord with great humility and with tears, although I was severely tested by the plots of the Jews.
 20.  You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house.
 
;^)

361 posted on 11/19/2006 5:24:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: presidio9

gaiety?


362 posted on 11/19/2006 5:26:05 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Day 185 (counting up))
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To: Elsie

Elsie,

Sorry for providing the wrong passage, that would have really confused you. Glad you found the right chapter and verse. I to always picture Paul/Saul as being older.

By the way I like your tag line.


363 posted on 11/20/2006 6:39:53 AM PST by NoDRodee
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To: SuziQ

Behind the scenes Cardinal Law pressured every Catholic politician, judge, and media person to go along with a cover-up. He put intense pressure on them and made a lot of enemies. He told them it was their responsibility as Catholics not to let the story come out. Some of these guys were old conservative Irish Catholics and they were shocked and more determined than ever to put an end to the abuse .


364 posted on 11/20/2006 6:52:44 AM PST by ladyjane
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Actually, the political machine in Boston was more for the cover-up because the priests involved were well known Democrats. I believe most of the abuse took place before Cardinal Law was ever in Boston. His Auxiliary Bishops knew about some of it because they HAD been there. Geoghan and Shanley were big Dem supporters, and the DAs didn't even bring charges when accusations were made early on. Shanley had been heralded by the Boston Globe as a priest who was wonderful with 'alienated' teenagers, and for the fact that he was one of the early supporters of NAMBLA in Boston.

Cardinal Law's problem, which he admitted, was being too much of a pastor to those priests, and not being tough enough on them. He did finally start implementing policies to stop the possibility of future instances of abuse. Those were beginning to get into place when he left and Sean O'Malley took over.

365 posted on 11/20/2006 8:54:46 AM PST by SuziQ
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I wasn't talking about the political machine in Boston. I'm not sure who they are and I really can't speak about them.

What I do know is that Cardinal Law called Catholic judges, politicians and media people and leaned on them VERY heavily to cover up any mention of the scandal and to try to derail any investigations.

He repeatedly told them, in person and in telephone calls, that because they were Catholic they had to help with the cover up.

Yes, most of them were Democrats but they were shocked that a religious person not only knew what was going on but was allowing it to continue.

Cardinal Law had tremendous political aspirations. He wanted to be the first Harvard pope. Won't happen now.


366 posted on 11/20/2006 10:15:14 AM PST by ladyjane
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The Diocese, along with Catholic politicians in Boston, were ignoring the abuse even before Cardinal Law ever arrived. He was appointed in 1988, and Porter, Shanley and Geoghan were abusing kids before then.

I know Cardinal Law personally; have known him for 35 years when he was Chancellor of the Diocese of Jackson MS. He, in fact, was instrumental in ridding the Diocese of a couple of abusers while he was there. I can't see him all of a sudden deciding that the Church should avoid scandal, when he'd already handled the cases in MS.

He admitted that he was too soft on the priests; he was approaching things from his role as Bishop, which he believed was supposed to be Pastoral. I guess he assumed that since they'd been returned from their counseling, they were ready to be returned to service. He assumed wrong, and accepted the blame for that.

I'm not going to defend all of his actions, he clearly made some HUGE mistakes, and took responsibility for them. I'm just saying that HE wasn't the cause for the problems in Boston, even though the Boston Globe blamed him for all of it. The Attorney General for the Commonwealth stated that nothing the Cardinal had done was legally actionable, though the man actually said publicly that he wished he could find something to put the Cardinal in jail for. Sounds like a vendetta to me. I truly believe that he, in collusion with the Boston Globe, was actively trying to diminish the reputation of the Church in advance of the push for homosexual marriage in the Commonwealth, so that supporters of the push could claim that because of the abuse scandal, the Church had no legitimacy in opposing it. In fact the Globe editorialized just that when the subject of homosexual marriage arose. The timing was NOT coincidental.

367 posted on 11/20/2006 1:16:37 PM PST by SuziQ
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Because you know Cardinal Law personally I can understand that you feel it was a vendetta.

In fact, one of the editors of the Globe who I know personally and some others whose names you would recognize who I know personally were all pressured by the Cardinal to cover up the story. All of them were Catholic and all of them were horrified by what had been going on and what the Cardinal was pressuring them to do.

You do know, don't you, that the Attorney General, who issued the report estimating that one thousand young men had been abused, sent state troopers to Cardinal Law's mansion in Chestnut Hill to serve him with papers. As luck would have it the person answering the door claimed the Cardinal was not at home to be served the papers. The Cardinal flew first class to Rome less than 24 hours later.

As events unfolded it may have appeared to be a vendetta. In reality most people in Massachusetts were in denial about the widespread abuse, they couldn't believe that the very people they trusted with their children would do such a thing. Then when hounded by a Prince of the Church to take part in a cover-up they were disgusted.

The Cardinal doesn't come back to the U.S. to visit. Do you think it might have something to do with being arrested if he returns?


368 posted on 11/20/2006 1:35:08 PM PST by ladyjane
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The Cardinal doesn't come back to the U.S. to visit. Do you think it might have something to do with being arrested if he returns?

Cardinal Law was living in the US, in Maryland, in fact, for a couple of years after all this occurred. If they truly wanted to arrest him, they knew where he was. He had done nothing for which to be arrested, and they knew it. The media constantly beat that 'running away' drum, but it was bogus.

369 posted on 11/20/2006 2:01:25 PM PST by SuziQ
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