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41 percent of Cuyahoga voters took part in election [200,000 more registered voters than adults]
The Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | Wednesday, November 15, 2006 | Joan Mazzolini

Posted on 11/17/2006 12:24:45 PM PST by Akron Al

41 percent of Cuyahoga voters took part in election

A little more than half the active voters in Cuyahoga County voted in last week's election, a bit more than voted in the last governor's race four years ago.

The official voter turnout is nearly 41 percent of all voters on the rolls, including inactive ones.

Cuyahoga County has 1.05 million registered voters, which tops the number of adults in the county by 200,000, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

The county board of elections says the number of active voters -- people who have voted in the last four years -- is nearly 900,000, but that includes people who have moved out of the county in those years.

Election officials said 427,252 people voted in last week's election.

Cuyahoga County's official rate of 41 percent is lower than the state average of 53 percent. Coshocton County, south of Holmes County, had the best turnout, with 77 percent of its registered voters casting a ballot Nov. 7, according to the Ohio secretary of state's Web site.

Cuyahoga election workers are busy determining how many of the 14,000 provisional ballots cast Election Day are valid. Provisional ballots are used when questions arise about voter eligibility or identification.

Nearly 27,000 absentee ballots that came in after Friday have yet to be counted.

The board expects nearly 3,100 ballots from overseas and military voters, which must arrive by this Friday to be counted. That's also the deadline for people who voted on provisional ballots to provide proper identification to the board.

Meanwhile, lawyers for a homeless group and a labor union Tuesday told a federal judge that several county election boards, including Cuyahoga's, are not properly handling provisional ballots.

In a filing in U.S. District Court in Columbus, the lawyers said provisional ballots that didn't include birth dates or addresses were placed in a "rejected" pile in Cuyahoga County even though a court order Nov. 1 requires voters only to provide the last four digits of their Social Security numbers.

They also said some boards wrongly forced voters whose driver's licenses listed old addresses to vote provisionally when they should have been allowed to vote by regular ballot.

The lawyers want U.S. District Judge Algenon Marbley to order the secretary of state's office to tell boards to stop rejecting provisional ballots that don't include birth dates or addresses and to count all provisional ballots that should have been regular ballots.

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
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Cuyahoga County has 1.05 million registered voters, which tops the number of adults in the county by 200,000, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
1 posted on 11/17/2006 12:24:46 PM PST by Akron Al
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To: Akron Al
The Republicans kept wanting to sign me up to automatically vote absentee for the rest of my life.

In the short run Republicans tend to vote absentee at higher rates than Democrats so this sounds good.

In the long run (i.e. starting in 2008) the Democrats will be voting as much absentee as Republicans and absentee voting is much more subject to voter fraun, i.e. Democrat victory.

So once again the Republicans are pointed in the wrong direction encouraging voting for convenience rather than for correctness.

2 posted on 11/17/2006 12:28:13 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Akron Al

>>41 percent of Cuyahoga voters took part in election [200,000 more registered voters than adults]<<

Isn't that a contradiction, at least the way the headline is phrased...


3 posted on 11/17/2006 12:32:26 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: Akron Al

Our so-called "elections" are a joke. Useful idiots from all over the world are now making decisions for the taxpayers who actually live in the U.S. I think we might want to try to get a handle on this joke. Don't ya think?


4 posted on 11/17/2006 12:37:07 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (America! It's off with the desert BDUs and on with the lavender burqas!!!)
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To: Akron Al

I wonder how many other counties have this same problem.


5 posted on 11/17/2006 12:38:16 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: gondramB
Isn't that a contradiction, at least the way the headline is phrased...

x = number of adults in Cuyahoga
x + 200,000 = registered voters in Cuyahoga
0.41(x + 200,000) = number who voted in the election

6 posted on 11/17/2006 12:43:30 PM PST by mwyounce
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To: mwyounce

Got it now. Thanks.


7 posted on 11/17/2006 12:45:25 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: LS

FYI ping. :)


8 posted on 11/17/2006 12:48:23 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: Akron Al

Fix it before '08 or were screwed.


9 posted on 11/17/2006 12:49:49 PM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It used to be property owners were the only ones who could vote. The term, "having a horse in the race" comes to mind here for me. Why should people who can't manage their own lives be allowed to determine the fate of others.

The specific reason for the Bill of Rights was to protect the fundamental rights of all people. If you notice, voting is not a BOR.

Many people find this an arcane and neandralithic proposition. In my opinion, it makes common sense. I used to ask my father why i didn't get to make the rules of the house. He said as soon as I pay the mortgage and utilities i would have a say. In my opinion, our liberal voting policies are what is leading to the destruction of the virtues that made this a great country.


10 posted on 11/17/2006 12:58:45 PM PST by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: ChinaThreat

People can call me a Nazi if they want but I believe people who don't pay taxes should be allowed to vote. The moronic, useful idiots in Arizona voted in a proposition aimed only at smokers that is going to create some kind of freak show to teach mothers to breast feed their babies and teach the babies how to shake rattles and all that crap. The freak show is going to be financed by an 80 CENTS per pack tax on cigarettes. Talk about "unconstitutional." If anything is "unconstitutional," it's targeting a specific segment of our society to be taxed.


11 posted on 11/17/2006 1:08:14 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (America! It's off with the desert BDUs and on with the lavender burqas!!!)
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To: Akron Al

Cleveland
aaaah yes, my old hometown
still voting in Dennis Kucinich after all these years (sadly)
I root for the Browns & Indians but have no desire to even visit there anymore. It's just another socialist blot on the map.


12 posted on 11/17/2006 1:11:54 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: nascarnation

Me too. Kucinich will forever be an embarassment to my memories of Cleveland. Well, him, Forbes and the lake that burned!


13 posted on 11/17/2006 1:50:26 PM PST by Kimberly GG (Tancredo '08 www.firecoalition.com/www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.com)
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To: ChinaThreat

Scalia said that there is no right to vote (for President?)in the Constitution. He is right. The only specific things address the fairness of elections (race etc), if that is how electors are chosen by the States, IIRC.


14 posted on 11/17/2006 1:51:01 PM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
I don't know why but I don't trust absentee.
15 posted on 11/17/2006 1:51:16 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

No...I hear you, you just want "NO REPRESENTATION, WITHOUT TAXATION" ;-)


16 posted on 11/17/2006 1:53:44 PM PST by NordP (America Votes: Turns out there ARE more Punks than Patriots ! ....so sad)
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To: All

Even though the "vote of the people" is perceived as supreme in our democracy - because voting rights are protective of all other rights - Justice Scalia in Bush v. Gore constantly reminded Al Gore's lawyers that there is no explicit or fundamental right to suffrage in the Constitution. The Supreme Court majority concluded: "the individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States." (Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98, 104 (2000)) ----It;s from Jesse HiJackson's site, but it is correct...


17 posted on 11/17/2006 1:54:08 PM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: NordP

That's it. There are too many people living is this country who vote stupidly and suffer no consequences for their moronic voting choices.


18 posted on 11/17/2006 1:59:58 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (America! It's off with the desert BDUs and on with the lavender burqas!!!)
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To: Akron Al
An infuriatingly blazé report, from the drive-by liberal media.
19 posted on 11/17/2006 2:00:42 PM PST by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: Akron Al

Ohio election fraud, who's have guessed?

Do I need a sarcasm tag?


20 posted on 11/17/2006 2:00:58 PM PST by kalee
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To: Akron Al
Cuyahoga County has 1.05 million registered voters, which tops the number of adults in the county by 200,000, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

Take that, Chicago!

21 posted on 11/17/2006 2:07:22 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: jan in Colorado

Republicans-cutting-own-throats ping.


22 posted on 11/17/2006 2:07:28 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Akron Al
The county board of elections says the number of active voters -- people who have voted in the last four years -- is nearly 900,000, but that includes people who have moved out of the county in those years.

They're not supposed to be able to vote out of their county. That gives them the opportunity to vote twice, which I'm sure many of them did. This just begs for an investigation by the AG!

23 posted on 11/17/2006 2:09:35 PM PST by NRA2BFree (THOSE WHO LIVE BY THE SWORD GET SHOT BY THOSE WHO DON*T!)
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To: Akron Al
There are three types of people that vote RAT. Stupid people, Dead people and Traders
24 posted on 11/17/2006 2:43:51 PM PST by G-Man 1
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To: Akron Al

Cuyahoga county, home of Cleveland, is typical of a big-city - packed with democRATS and voter fraud.


25 posted on 11/17/2006 2:45:55 PM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: CPT Clay
Fix it before '08 or were screwed.

I've been preaching that since 2000 when algore almost stole the election. My words (and others) have fallen on deaf ears, and as a result, we now have democRAT majorities in both houses.

26 posted on 11/17/2006 2:48:03 PM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: meyer

If a black R secretary of state can't correct this, noone can until some people can withstand all the accusations of racism from the extortionists euphemistically called black leaders.


27 posted on 11/17/2006 2:57:00 PM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Kimberly GG
Kucinich will forever be an embarassment to my memories of Cleveland. Well, him, Forbes and the lake that burned!

Actually, it was the Cuyahoga River that burned, but I agree on the other points - Kucinich single-handidly chaced several large employers out of Cleveland during his reign of incompetence. Forbes is best known for his chair-tossing antics at city council meetings.

28 posted on 11/17/2006 2:59:14 PM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: kalee

Yeah, who woulda guessed that the Ohio 'rats were corrupt. This is definitely hugh and series.


29 posted on 11/17/2006 3:53:17 PM PST by darkangel82 (Everyone has the right to be an idiot, but on DU they abuse the privilege.)
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To: kalee

Election irregularities in Ohio … nah, never happen.


30 posted on 11/17/2006 4:03:43 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Akron Al
Articles like this are posted with passages underlined to suggest voter fraud. The main problem identified in this article is merely that Cuyahoga County has a lot of people moving in and out and voter registration records don't keep up. All that this means is that people don't generally take the time to contact the elections department in their former county of residence to cancel their registration when they move. If things were working properly, this would occur automatically when they registered to vote in a new location.

I have yet to see an article posted here that identifies a single individual who has been arrested for voting twice.

31 posted on 11/17/2006 4:09:51 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Akron Al

Identity theft is a major concern, unless it it our voting rights. The politicians think it is OK to stuff the ballots and then ask US Servicemen to die for "our right to vote"... yeah!


32 posted on 11/17/2006 4:17:39 PM PST by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, increased taxes to bring them UP to the Poverty Level!)
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To: wideminded

What about that guy in Wisconsin who said he had forgotten he had voted in Illinois already was it? He was an elected official even -- dang, I don't remember if he was arrested or not.


33 posted on 11/17/2006 4:28:30 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: wideminded

Anybody moving IN is probably an illegal alien
Anybody moving OUT has (finally) passed the intelligence test
Cleveland has always been just a few years behind Detroit in attaining the nation's highest levels of societal breakdown and governmental corruption.


34 posted on 11/17/2006 4:33:33 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: who_would_fardels_bear; ChinaThreat; FlingWingFlyer; nascarnation; Kimberly GG; Lx; PghBaldy; ...
Given this article below, this might be a good thread to keep alive:


Investigation: Nearly 13,000 Dead Voters Still On Registry

Prosecutor Says He Will Prosecute Anyone Who Cast Vote In Dead Person's Name

POSTED: 4:53 pm EST November 3, 2006
UPDATED: 11:19 am EST November 6, 2006
After watching the 5 On Your Side investigation on dead voters, Cuyahoga County prosecutor Bill Mason said he will prosecute anyone who knowingly cast a vote in the place of a dead person.

In his report, NewsChannel5 chief investigator Duane Pohlman uncovered dozens of votes being cast from the grave, and Mason said the trouble is just beginning for whomever is responsible for casting votes in the name of the dead.

"This really is an attack on the entire system, and it's of paramount importance that we find out how this is happening and we stop it so it can't happen again, one, and, two, find out who's doing it, so we can prosecute them if possible," said Mason.

So-called "ghost voting" is a felony, and Cuyahoga County Board of Elections Director Michael Vu has already launched an investigation into the problem.

"We will investigate that, send it to the county prosecutor's office and determine what had occurred," Vu said.

Mason said prosecution is possible only if the investigation can prove intent.

NewsChannel5 compared the county's voter registration rolls with death records from the Social Security Administration, finding 12,688 people who have died but are still registered to vote.

Many of the dead voters passed away years ago, and a good number of them more than a decade ago.

Vu said slow reporting combined with federal rules require him to keep dead people in the registry.

"It's something that needs to be corrected," he said.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, stunned by what was uncovered, said he will help do the correcting.

Kucinich said the investigation has convinced him to introduce a bill to clean up all voter registration rolls and close the gap on corruption.

"One thing is for sure: There is an opening here for the commission of fraud that needs to be close," he said.



35 posted on 11/17/2006 4:34:35 PM PST by Diago ("Upon hearing about such things, I confess that I'm tempted to look for my shotgun and baseball bat")
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To: wideminded
I have yet to see an article posted here that identifies a single individual who has been arrested for voting twice.

How about a dead guy voting once?


Investigation Finds Votes Cast By People Listed As Dead

POSTED: 10:34 am EST November 1, 2006
UPDATED: 10:26 am EST November 3, 2006
5 On Your Side Investigator Duane Pohlman finds that there are several votes being cast by citizens who are dead.

Among thousands of graves at Holy Cross Cemetery, Pohlman found the final resting place of Edward Wisniewski.

John Wisniewski lived next door to his brother for decades.

John Wisniewski said Edward Wisniewski has been buried at the cemetery since 2002. According to an election sign-in sheet, he cast a vote in the May primary.

NewsChannel5, in partnership with the National Institute for Computer Assisted Reporting, conducted one of the most extensive reviews ever of Cuyahoga County voting records, Pohlman reported. The process involved comparing more than 200,000 voters against death records reported by the Social Security Administration.

U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich was stunned by what NewsChannel5 uncovered.

Pohlman reported the examination of the records revealed Wisniewski is not the only dead voter. In fact, 5 On Your Side uncovered 27 people who are dead, but votes were cast in their name anyway.

This is referred to as ghost voting -- people who vote for someone else.

Pohlman uncovered another example of ghost voting with Helen Kran. According to the Social Security Administration, she died in March 2005.

More than a year later, Kran voted in the May 2 primary.

"Yeah, it appears the individual that filled out their registration card and what they filled out on election day are not the same person," said Michael Vu, director of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections.

Pohlman reported other signatures, like Charles R. Morris, look identical to a signature on May 2 election documents.

Morris died 11 months before the primary.

Pohlman reported the most concerning case is Wisniewski.

It is considered a felony, and Kucinich considered it a very serious matter.

Kucinich is deeply disturbed by the results of the investigation.

"This documentation that you offer is very troubling because it clearly indicates that someone was using the identity of a dead person to cast a vote," Kucinich said.

Pohlman said ghost voting is large enough of a problem to sway the results of a close race and certainly undercuts the principal that every vote counts.

"That's an assault on the integrity on the electoral process," Kucinich said.

The 5 On Your Side investigation has prompted Vu to launch an investigation at the BOE.

"We will conduct an investigation and gather all the information that we need and then give it to the county prosecutors office for further investigation," he said.

Meanwhile, Wisniewski and many other citizens continue to wonder how this could happen.



36 posted on 11/17/2006 4:38:19 PM PST by Diago ("Upon hearing about such things, I confess that I'm tempted to look for my shotgun and baseball bat")
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To: scrabblehack
What about that guy in Wisconsin who said he had forgotten he had voted in Illinois already was it?

I didn't hear about that but I'm glad to hear that there is actually a real case. I've seen John Fund on TV a number of times. He even wrote a book about voter fraud and I don't recall him mentioning any real incidents of multiple votes by individuals.

If people use their real names (ID would help with this), then the same procedures that would automatically delete former registrations would also identify voting in multiple jurisdictions.

37 posted on 11/17/2006 4:38:37 PM PST by wideminded
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Either get a handle on the joke, or figure out the punch line.


38 posted on 11/17/2006 4:40:12 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (We'll stop calling you liberals,liberals, as soon as we find a better word for "sh*t for brains" .)
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To: Diago
Yes, your post indicates a need to investigate the dead folks still on the voting roles. The FBI will spend years trying to serve them with subpoenas! :>)

I agree there is a need to prosecute the fraudulent voters AND the politicians who conspire to have non eligibles vote. I voted Republican except for the Attorney Gen. - Florida. I voted for a Democrat, I want the person with the first dime in their pocket in jail. If the Dems win (another year) I'll vote for a Rep in that job. It is time for the thieves and voter frauds to go to jail. Other than Ohio the fraud was on the part of the Dems in the past. Bush failed to do anything about that in the last 5 years, he deserved his November surprise.

39 posted on 11/17/2006 4:51:26 PM PST by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, increased taxes to bring them UP to the Poverty Level!)
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To: ChinaThreat
It used to be property owners were the only ones who could vote. The term, "having a horse in the race" comes to mind here for me. Why should people who can't manage their own lives be allowed to determine the fate of others.

Um...not everyone who doesn't own property "can't manage their own life." I agree with your concept, but I'd leave it at a literacy and civics test. Pass that, and you can vote.

40 posted on 11/17/2006 5:11:14 PM PST by RockinRight (The loss is temporary, hopefully we learn from our mistakes.)
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To: RockinRight

You aren't going to be able to turn back the expansions already in effect,but we should insist that all voters be U.S. citizens,limit absentee to good cause,and demand verifiable identification.

Online "novelty" driver's licenses are cheap;a salesman of my acquaintance has confiscated THREE excellent forgeries from his son.College students desire to get in clubs and drink alcohol pumps millions of dollars into i.d. counterfeiting.


41 posted on 11/17/2006 5:22:19 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: wideminded
Articles like this are posted with passages underlined to suggest voter fraud. The main problem identified in this article is merely that Cuyahoga County has a lot of people moving in and out and voter registration records don't keep up. All that this means is that people don't generally take the time to contact the elections department in their former county of residence to cancel their registration when they move. If things were working properly, this would occur automatically when they registered to vote in a new location.

It would be interesting to see if my own name was still on the voting rolls in Cuyahoga county. For the record, I moved out of state 5 1/2 years ago, and I did inform the county of my move. I wonder how I might check that...

42 posted on 11/17/2006 5:45:42 PM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: ChinaThreat
Hear, hear. No representation without taxation. No vote for wards of the state.

-ccm

43 posted on 11/17/2006 6:00:31 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Diago
Cuyahoga County prosecutor Bill Mason said he will prosecute anyone who knowingly cast a vote in the place of a dead person.

Oh, man. Good luck trying to investigate this. If they've got a paper ballot they might be able to lift a usable fingerprint and if the state has a fingerprint match computer, it might be possible to come up with a suspect.

44 posted on 11/17/2006 6:33:54 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: jan in Colorado

ping


45 posted on 11/17/2006 7:06:21 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"Our so-called "elections" are a joke. Useful idiots from all over the world are now making decisions for the taxpayers who actually live in the U.S. I think we might want to try to get a handle on this joke. Don't ya think?"

I have stated before on FR: " If America's elections continue to be fraudlent, then those governments that are "elected" are illegitimate and the laws enacted are meaningless garbage! When the local, state and federal governments are perceived to have gained power illegitimately by a "critical mass" of the citizenry, then hell will break loose in our country. I don't think this situation will be tolerated very long. The troops will have to called out on the public.

46 posted on 11/17/2006 7:21:12 PM PST by StormEye
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To: StormEye

I agree. Anyone with half a brain can see the difference between this election and the previous two elections. When the Commie 'RATS lost, they all threw tantrums and had their "lawyers" all over the polls and ballots like stink on crap. This time, the 'RATS won and all is A-OK and on the up and up. If the few Americans left in this country don't see this, then this country is in even worse shape than most of us think it is.


47 posted on 11/17/2006 7:26:01 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (America! It's off with the desert BDUs and on with the lavender burqas!!!)
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