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Christians kicked off campus at Brown University
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | November 18, 2006

Posted on 11/18/2006 4:36:21 AM PST by Man50D

A civil rights organization has joined forces with a Christian student group at Brown University in an attempt to find out why the school has banned the Christians from meeting on its campus.

"A university that respects its students cannot capriciously suspend student groups," said Greg Lukianoff, the president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. "Suspension of any student group is a serious matter and should be accompanied by a serious explanation. Yet Brown has consistently skirted questions about the suspension, calling into question both the university's motives and the legitimacy of the punishment."

FIRE said the members of the Trinity Presbyterian Church campus fellowship had sought from school officials an explanation for the punishment. After being offered varying and shifting reasons, they sought help from FIRE in trying to obtain the information.

As WND as reported, the move by Brown comes just weeks after Georgetown University notified a group of evangelical Christian organizations, such as InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, they would no longer be allowed to operate on campus. The university said it was going in another "direction" but never explained more fully.

The Alliance Defense Fund wrote a letter to Georgetown asking for reconsideration of its ban on several Christian groups. Officials said no response was received.

Those in a position to know have reported that the Christian groups were booted from campus for being too evangelical, because student clubs promoting Muslim and Jewish beliefs were allowed to continue existing within the formal campus structure.

Now comes the move by Brown to eject the meetings involving nearly 100 students, and the varying explanations the school has offered, according to FIRE.

The first apparent word of trouble was in September when Janet Cooper Nelson, of the school's Office of the Chaplains and Religious Life, sent the fellowship's leaders an e-mail explaining it was suspended because of "non-compliance with University policy and procedure."

She alleged Trinity Presbyterian Church, the sponsoring body, "has withdrawn its sponsorship."

The difficulty there was that Trinity Senior Pastor David Sherwood immediately responded that the church "has not, in any sense, withdrawn its sponsorship." In fact, he said, the group's leaders and students "do a fantastic job of equipping the rising generation of student leaders."

Then Allen Callahan, an associate chaplain at the school, explained that a form that was submitted late meant that the group "had not been a 'recognized student organization' since the fall of last year."

However, officials also noted there was no suspension in place at that time, and in fact the group retained the right to reserve meeting space throughout the school year.

Callahan then offered the accusation that the group "had become possessed of a leadership culture of contempt and dishonesty that has rendered all collegial relations with my office impossible."

So the students asked for an explanation of the "culture of contempt and dishonesty" but did not get a response.

On the FIRE website, Tara Sweeney wrote that student groups "should not exist at the mercy of administrative caprice… Brown University encourages its students to forge their own path, famously telling them that at Brown, 'you will be challenged to define liberal education for yourself.' But students whose definition includes membership in this evangelical Christian fellowship are just out of luck."

When FIRE got involved, the civil rights group got a statement from Russell Carey, an interim vice president of campus life, that he would personally "mediate" the issues, "with the goal of ending the suspension.:

"Over the years FIRE has seen too many examples of administrators treating religious groups in an unjust manner. All students – religious and otherwise – deserve fair treatment," said Samantha Harris, the organization's director of legal and public advocacy.

"We hope that Brown will take seriously its promise to revisit the suspension and reach a decision that shows respect for students of faith."

"It's the students who lose out in this situation," said Pastor Sherwood. "It's hard to imagine that anyone's involvement in this organization could be anything but beneficial."

A number of other universities also have taken action to dismiss various Christian organizations, and have faced legal action because of their decisions. Most of those cases have had to do with the Christian organizations failing to follow school "diversity" plans because they require their leaders to be Christian.

FIRE is a nonprofit education foundation. It works with civil rights and civil liberties leaders, scholars, journalists and others on behalf of individual rights, due process, freedom of expression and academic freedom at colleges and universities across the country.


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1 posted on 11/18/2006 4:36:22 AM PST by Man50D
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To: Man50D

The State Department must've objected.


2 posted on 11/18/2006 4:42:57 AM PST by battlegearboat
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To: Man50D

I bet they offer "prayer rooms" for Muslims, though.


3 posted on 11/18/2006 4:45:59 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Man50D

Didn't John-John start out at Brown?


4 posted on 11/18/2006 4:47:00 AM PST by Nitro (to thought </A>)
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To: Man50D
Bah! I was right!

New prayer space will open sometime this month for Muslims on campus

5 posted on 11/18/2006 4:47:39 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Man50D
As a Christain to all other Christians we know this war is coming and is even here. Are we going fight or allow our institutions and all we hold sacred to be stifled by these anti-Christian zealots?

This country was founded on biblical principles, especially the idea of FREEDOM to speak, and FREEDOM of religion, but the very idea of the FREEDOM we defend around the world is the very same freedom these prix are trying to destroy and stifle right here in America.

I'm sick of them, I'm sick of their selfish, twisted, convoluted actions. Are we really going to allow them to skirt acknowledging FREEDOM or the Idea Of America any longer?

6 posted on 11/18/2006 4:52:11 AM PST by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: Man50D
"university said it was going in another "direction"

Christian groups (conservative) on college campuses upset the secular (athiest) liberal agenda.

The conservative professor or employee is also a no, no!!! These professors and employees are normally ostracized by peers in full view of administrations. In fact, the administrations, in many cases, act as cheerleaders for this behavior.

7 posted on 11/18/2006 4:54:40 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: xtinct
The conservative professor or employee is also a no, no!!! These professors and employees are normally ostracized by peers in full view of administrations. In fact, the administrations, in many cases, act as cheerleaders for this behavior.

They are socialists and communists seeking to destroy Democracy.
8 posted on 11/18/2006 4:58:14 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

Interesting. Thanks for posting. Meanwhile...

http://www.brown.edu/Students/Muslim_Students/

Wonder if the Board of Trustees has any opinion...anyone?...Tienda?...Brown?...anyone?...Bueller?

Speaking of Georgetown...

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/global.php?id=396868


9 posted on 11/18/2006 5:00:57 AM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt
Don't forget to contact Brown alum Linc Chafee. Rumor has it he will have a lot of time on his hands for the next six years. :-)
10 posted on 11/18/2006 5:03:46 AM PST by cgbg (We have a redhouse media/politician hot air emissions global crisis!)
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To: Man50D

tolerance, baby! tolerance and diversity!


11 posted on 11/18/2006 5:04:19 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (* nuke * the * jihad *)
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To: raybbr

Interesting icon in the address bar of that url. A crusader shield.


12 posted on 11/18/2006 5:16:17 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

That didn't show up in my browser.


13 posted on 11/18/2006 5:19:00 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: sageb1

http://www.brown.edu/Students/Muslim_Students/

Ah! Now I see why it looked like a Crusader shield.


14 posted on 11/18/2006 5:20:24 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Man50D

Being curious, I just learned on the Hillel-Brown website that there are 1500 Jewish students at Brown representing 25% of the student body. Wonder how they would react if all Jewish organizations were banned from the campus.

With Christians gone and the Brown seeming to favor Jewish and Muslims, how long will it be before those two groups are at each other's throats? At least now, there are Christians around to be the focus of hate.


15 posted on 11/18/2006 5:20:49 AM PST by randita
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To: Man50D; All

Link to Rutgers trouble here...
http://www.islamicpluralism.org/articles/2005a/troublerutgers1.htm


16 posted on 11/18/2006 5:21:10 AM PST by PGalt
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To: raybbr

ping to my #14


17 posted on 11/18/2006 5:21:30 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sirchtruth

Those are nice words but what are you proposing that Christians in America do???


18 posted on 11/18/2006 5:24:49 AM PST by jonesboheim
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To: sageb1

Brown University has long been a haven for feminazis. It is probably the most thought-controlled university in America.


19 posted on 11/18/2006 5:25:26 AM PST by JusPasenThru (Just another angry military veteran.)
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To: Man50D
...the school has banned the Christians from meeting on its campus.

I'm hazy on this...
But I think one episode of "The Family Guy" had the Griffin (sp?) family
taking their high-school daughter to Brown U. to check it out for
college.
IIRC, there was some sort of quip in the dialogue that implied that if
the daughter wanted to get admitted to Brown, she better get
busy learning how to be a lesbian.

("Family Guy" is a guilty pleasure and I don't recommend it
for wholesome family entertainment!)
20 posted on 11/18/2006 5:27:08 AM PST by VOA
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To: Man50D
Read this history of the founding of Brown (Wikipedia) and see how far they've strayed from their roots:

In 1763, James Manning, a Baptist minister, was sent to Rhode Island by the Philadelphia Association of Baptist Churches in order to found a college. At the same time, local Congregationalists, led by James Stiles, were working toward a similar end.

On March 3, 1764, a charter was filed to create Rhode Island College in Warren, Rhode Island, reflecting the work of both Stiles and Manning. The charter had more than 60 signatories, including John and Nicholas Brown of the Brown family, who would give the College its present day name.

The college's mission, the charter stated, was to prepare students "for discharging the Offices of Life" by providing instruction "in the Vernacular Learned Languages, and in the liberal Arts and Sciences."

The charter required that the makeup of the board of thirty-six trustees include twenty-two Baptists, five Friends, four Congregationalists, and five Episcopalians, and by twelve Fellows, of whom eight, including the President, should be Baptists "and the rest indifferently of any or all denominations." It specified that "into this liberal and Catholic institution shall never be admitted any religious tests, but on the contrary, all the members hereof shall forever enjoy full, free, absolute, and uninterrupted liberty of conscience."

21 posted on 11/18/2006 5:27:10 AM PST by randita
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To: sageb1

Oh, I see. Is that really a Crusader shield or are they trying to steal that too?


22 posted on 11/18/2006 5:28:18 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: jonesboheim
"Those are nice words but what are you proposing that Christians in America do???"

We need to find ways to use our courts to prove that Islam is unconstitutional.

23 posted on 11/18/2006 5:29:18 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: raybbr

That was my thought, too. Leave my freakin' shield alone! ;)


24 posted on 11/18/2006 5:30:16 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

I agree, and furthermore, I don't think we should accept any Muslim immigrants under any conditions. The stated purpose of Islam is to take over the world and impose its political system (since in Islam, civil law, rulership and religion are one and the same). There is no Muslim - except one who doesn't believe his religion and thus should be encouraged to dump it and find a better one - who can answer "no" to the question of whether they plan to overthrow the United States government.

Why in the world are we accepting them, and taking in greater numbers of them every year?


25 posted on 11/18/2006 5:34:10 AM PST by livius
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To: Man50D
Janet Cooper Nelson, of the school's Office of the Chaplains and Religious Life, sent the fellowship's leaders an e-mail explaining it was suspended because of "non-compliance with University policy and procedure."

They could save a lot of time in the various branches of the Ministry of Truth if they just used the standard template below:

[first name of authority figure][first last name of authority figure]-[second last name of authority figure]-[third last name of authority figure]-[etc.]sent [name of terrorist organization]an email listing [charges of crimes against state authority].
26 posted on 11/18/2006 5:37:07 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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To: livius

The purpose of the multiculturalists is to surround each individual with others of varying races, creeds, cultures. They think that if the world is thus reorganized, there can no longer be wars. Unfortunately, what they are causing is instead chaos.


27 posted on 11/18/2006 5:39:32 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Man50D
[ They are socialists and communists seeking to destroy Democracy. ]

WRONG... Democracy is Mob Rule...

Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism. -Karl Marx

28 posted on 11/18/2006 5:45:54 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: sageb1
We need to find ways to use our courts to prove that Islam is unconstitutional.

Islam should ,at the very least, should be treated as a cult. The federal government has already established a precedent with violent cults with its raid on the Branch Davidian Compound in Waco Texas in 1993. Islam should be treated the same.
29 posted on 11/18/2006 5:48:35 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

"Islam should ,at the very least, should be treated as a cult."

Call to prayer 5 times daily is a method of mind control.


30 posted on 11/18/2006 5:53:01 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Man50D
As WND as reported, the move by Brown comes just weeks after Georgetown University notified a group of evangelical Christian organizations, such as InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, they would no longer be allowed to operate on campus. The university said it was going in another "direction" but never explained more fully. The Alliance Defense Fund wrote a letter to Georgetown asking for reconsideration of its ban on several Christian groups. Officials said no response was received. Those in a position to know have reported that the Christian groups were booted from campus for being too evangelical, because student clubs promoting Muslim and Jewish beliefs were allowed to continue existing within the formal campus structure.

Yesterday, an evangelical Christian told me that he was raised a Catholic, but became a Christian last year. I asked him what he meant by that and he said, "Catholics are not real Christians, and that many of them are pagans and dabble in witchcraft." He then went on to explain why Mary is not a Saint. (I stopped paying attention after the witchcraft comment so please don't ask me to explain why he thinks Mary is not a Saint.) If this is the way evangelical Christians think, then I applaud Georgetown University's decision to toss these nut jobs off campus given Georgetown's position as a Roman Catholic college that is run by the Jesuit order.

31 posted on 11/18/2006 5:53:23 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Man50D; All

I hate legal means for solution . . . and wonder how long such will work as the globalists seek to eradicate Christianity from the planet . . . however, Lord, let all the administrators involved be removed from office and sued wholesale.

But, Lord, You alone are our high tower and our defense. Please make abundantly clear that you are God Almighty in this situation. Make abundantly clear that all who dare stand against those called by your name will suffer your censure.

Please Lord, make an example of these satanic idiots.

You affirm that the weapons of OUR warefare are not carnal, Lord. Prayer is one of the most potent weapons we have. Please make abundantly clear your responses to the prayers of those who love You about this matter, Lord. In Jesus' Name.

May all who feel similarly agree in prayer similarly.


32 posted on 11/18/2006 5:53:36 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: sirchtruth

I think it is indeed crucial that believers stand up and be counted, fight for our God Given American Rights.

However, we know that sooner than we prefer, the battle will be lost for a short while.

Thankfully,

THE KING IS COMING.


33 posted on 11/18/2006 5:55:14 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Man50D

They are a bunch of wimps.

Just meet anyway. Don't say you are an official organization, say you are just a bunch of people talking. Who's going to stop you?

That's the way it all started, too.


34 posted on 11/18/2006 5:55:51 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: xtinct

Christian groups (conservative) on college campuses upset the secular (athiest) liberal agenda.

The conservative professor or employee is also a no, no!!! These professors and employees are normally ostracized by peers in full view of administrations. In fact, the administrations, in many cases, act as cheerleaders for this behavior.
= = = =

YUP.


35 posted on 11/18/2006 5:56:16 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: sageb1

Multicult is stupid and artificial; once people live in the same area, they end up adopting the same values, customs, etc. anyway, and trying to artificially preserve languages or customs is ridiculous. The multi-cultis try very hard to keep people separate; I remember in NYC, a family had to sue to get their daughter out of a Spanish-only class where she had been assigned because she had an Hispanic last name, although it had been 4 generations since anybody in the family had spoken Spanish!

However, my point is that the stated goal of Islam is to wipe out all other societies, political structures, and religions. Unlike other groups, Muslims don't end up adopting the good and harmonious values of the society around them. They don't even want to be multi-cult; they want to take over the whole show. So why are we letting them in?


36 posted on 11/18/2006 6:05:55 AM PST by livius
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To: Man50D

They are socialists and communists seeking to destroy Democracy.
= = = =

NOT "just" our 'democratic' Republic--they seek to destroy all the "old order" they can get away with destroying as long as they can toward setting up the satanic global government; reducing the world's population to 500,000,000 (check out the Georgia Guide Stones) . . . and in the process trying to destroy all Christians and Jews. They will eventually try to destroy all Muslims as well but they seem to be using them to eradicate the rest of us for the time being.

Thankfully, The King Is Coming . . . and He Wins.


37 posted on 11/18/2006 6:07:27 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: randita

Thanks.

All or virtually all ivy league universities started out as Bible Colleges or were set up by Christians.

Harvard started out as a Bible College.


38 posted on 11/18/2006 6:11:04 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: sageb1

The purpose of the multiculturalists is to surround each individual with others of varying races, creeds, cultures. They think that if the world is thus reorganized, there can no longer be wars. Unfortunately, what they are causing is instead chaos.
= = = =

Actually, imho, from my study the last 45 years . . . I consider that a sham, a smoke screen. They were going to eradicate all Blacks from the planet and might still plan to . . . until they discovered the blacks could be useful tools in causing conflict in the society . . . leveraging more of their power that way.

They are seriously into death, conflict, Machiavellian manipulations etc. Such are some of their primary tools, means, preferences.

They have one goal: The literal enthronement of satan as world ruler. They actually believe that God Almighty loses at Armageddon.

These folks are not playing tiddle-D-winks. The Mother of all conspiracies would be putting it mildly. And, it is FACT, not theory.


39 posted on 11/18/2006 6:20:08 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: hosepipe

Good to keep those quotes in the public mind.

as much as we can! LOL.


40 posted on 11/18/2006 6:21:30 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Labyrinthos
.......Georgetown's position as a Roman Catholic college that is run by the Jesuit order.

Are you aware that Georgetown, the RC college run by Jesuits has recently accepted a very large donation from a Saudi prince? Are you aware that it was shortly after the donation that Georgetown began their purging of Christian groups? How long do you think it will be before Georgetown begins purging Catholic groups as well?

I guess I'll ignore all postings from you about religion in future, since you evidently think that everybody who does not accept the supremacy of the Pope is a nut job.

Any Christian who applauds the persecution of any other Christian qualifies as a jut job in my book.

41 posted on 11/18/2006 6:22:45 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr
I guess I'll ignore all postings from you about religion in future, since you evidently think that everybody who does not accept the supremacy of the Pope is a nut job.

Not quite. I think that anyone who believes that Catholics are not Christians is a nut job. Are you?

42 posted on 11/18/2006 6:32:46 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Man50D
Why not just ban all religious groups from campus?
43 posted on 11/18/2006 6:36:49 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Man50D
Most of those cases have had to do with the Christian organizations failing to follow school "diversity" plans because they require their leaders to be Christian.

So, satanists, muslims, Jews, etc. are all griping because they aren't allowed to be leaders of a Christian organization? Somehow, that part of the school's "plan" doesn't make sense.

44 posted on 11/18/2006 6:37:16 AM PST by scan58
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To: sirchtruth

And the Freedom of Religion was a particular hallmark of Rhode Island, the first state to recognize that right. What would Roger Williams say?


45 posted on 11/18/2006 6:45:31 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Prayers for our patriot brother, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub. Brian, we're all pulling for you!)
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To: Man50D

I grew up disliking the fact that fundmentalists told me, I couldn't or shouldn't drink, smoke, dance or kiss girls. Now the leftist tell me I can't drink, smoke or kiss girls (boys okay) and will get around to dancing sooner rather than later. I guess that it why the leftists don't complain about muslims, because they are against smoking, drinking, drinking and kissing girls too.


46 posted on 11/18/2006 6:50:57 AM PST by razorback-bert (I met Bill Clinton once but he didn?t really talk ? he was hitting on my wife)
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To: sageb1
Interesting icon in the address bar of that url. A crusader shield.

I don't get it. What do you mean? (I mean computer-wise.)

47 posted on 11/18/2006 7:00:57 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Man50D

Sometimes I think the way so-called 'liberals' treat Christians is not that far removed from the way the old Romans treated Christians, except today, lions are in short supply.


48 posted on 11/18/2006 7:02:56 AM PST by 6SJ7
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To: Man50D

One would think attending an Ivy League school would be punishment enough.


49 posted on 11/18/2006 7:16:05 AM PST by Man of the Right
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To: Man50D

Nothing surprises me anymore.


50 posted on 11/18/2006 7:18:33 AM PST by YourAdHere (Democrats still stink.)
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