Posted on 11/19/2006 4:34:49 AM PST by billorites
Edited on 11/19/2006 4:54:05 AM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]
It still boils down to infidels "occupying" sacred Babylon, no matter how much blood, sweat and tears we put into establishing an Arab democratic state. It's all about the "I"(slam). Democracy and Islam don't mix well, if at all. At best, we'll get another situation like Turkey- after decades of bloodletting.
Why should Iraq start carrying its own load, that is totally and completely against the liberal ideology and hey they won this past election?
It never has and never will. Those who think otherwise think the Chicago Cubs will win the World Series next year...
Yes. Knee deep. He turned out to be a guy in deeper than his qualifications allowed. But, he was given waaaaay too much responsibility.
But, I'm just one sixty year old guy who believes that one man only does not make a policy happen these days.
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For instance: Clinton giving away nuclear secrets to the Chinese did not happen without a ton of people going along with it. And no one in our government is making a stink about any of it now.
For instance II: Clinton lying about Flight 800 and also who was really responsible for OKC happened because no one in the government has ever stepped forward to tell the truth. They're nearly all crooks and incompetents in our government today.
Also at NRO:
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZDhmMWFhNTMwZmJhODIxYzFhNWZjMjYxZTY4OTU1Zjk=
Modernity and islam don't mix well. See my tag line. Start with iran and syria. Don't stop until the remaining muslims renounce terror, if they don't continue with mecca and medina. There are 6 billion people on the planet and about 1 billion are muslims. I don't think we have to kill them all, but victory is the only solution.
Krautheimer is a psychiatrist, I think, and he could render a service by explaining just how debilitating a totalitarian regime is. Impatience with the Maliki government is premature, I think. It occurred to me that one could substitute "fix social Security" in these discussions and gain some perspective on just how long it takes for the sausage factory to generate change both here and in Iraq. When our pols have reformed Social Security, then they can critize the Iraqis. As long as they, too, avoid hard choices, they should keep their mouths shut.
I see it and I agree with your comments. I have often said that, unless the revisionist historians are able to alter the record of what has actually happened, Iraq and Afghanistan will go down in history as two of the most brilliant military strategies ever employed. We have gone into two hot beds of terrorist activity, overthrown two brutal dictatorships and invited every would-be terrorist thug to come to the desert of Iraq and Afghanistan fight our professional army on their turf. If these battles weren't happening there I have no doubt that we'd be seeing urban fighting in our own streets, along with roadside IED's, suicide bombers in malls, etc. In fact, I'm surprised that we haven't seen more terrorist strikes here in the form of suicide bombers and the like. Clearly, the Bush strategy has worked and worked well. The Democrats know it and they can't stand the fact that Bush is getting credit for it. Iraq and Afghanistan are only battles in a much, much larger war. It is no accident that Iran is now surrounded by our forces. This is clearly by design and Iraq and Afghanistan are key elements to that strategy. Either Iran will topple under it's own mismanagement or we will be positioned to do what is necessary to keep them in check. Folks that don't see that don't want to see it.
American government, with Democrat control of the purse strings, is poised to make a very crucial mistake in the WOT. If we ignore this threat and retreat from it, it will undoubtedly follow us here. If our forces are "redeployed" to Guam, the terrorists won't follow them to Guam to continue the fight. They will come here. Folks had better wake up and realize that the Islamo-facists are playing for nuclear keeps and 10,000 years is a very long time to write off major portions of our country.
Yep. I really don't think we've expanded this war to all the right places. Still trying to negotiate our way out of our slaughter.
The question remains: are muslims capable of anything other than murder and mayhem???
"At the crux of the problem is Islam itself."
Yep. We are essentially pi$$ing in the wind with this WOT unless Islam itself is done away with as a major belief system. That'll never happen, sooooo...
Gosh, I wish you were the administration's spokesperson on this issue.
"Theocracy cannot govern a democracy."
Israel?
"Until tribalism is abolished and theocracy is abolished, there won't be democracy."
Israel?
"Democracy in iraq is a pipe-dream by people who need yet another evolving excuse for a continual misapplication of military power."
Halliburton?
Yeah, that's what it was. An excuse for a war.
Good one. (Sheesh.)
Israel isn't a tribal society. Good grief - just because they had tribes in the old testament doesn't mean they have a tribal government today.
"Impatience with the Maliki government is premature..."
Weirdly, I believe Krauthammer himself noted just a few weeks ago that the Iraqi government had been in place less time than a baseball season.
We've become an ADD society. An ADD foreign policy would be a disaster.
And it is *exactly* what the terrorists have always counted on.
Tribes seem to be an obsession with you.
"Democracy and Islam don't mix well, if at all."
Tell that to the Kurds, who seem to be doing great.
"At best, we'll get another situation like Turkey-after decades of bloodletting."
You mean Turkey the most stable and rational country in the Middle East, apart from Israel?
Yeah, that would be horrible.
"The right solution for Iran may have been to allow the formation of Kurdistan, Mesopotamia and Assyria from the territories that are Kurdish, Shi'a, and Sunni."
Iran would take over the Shiite area. Literally. They would just move the borders.
Al Qaeda would take over the Sunni area. And we would have the Taliban situation in Afghanistan all over again.
Brilliant!
The one area, the WOT, where Bush demonstrates LEADERSHIP, Krauthammer wants to RETREAT. No, the problem is Domestically Bush has been RETREATING too long. Winners LEAD, losers COMPROMISE.
Once Sadaam has been executed I forsee a big turnaround. I really think many fanatics in Iraq think that as long as he is alive he could come back, sparking hope in some and fear in others. He really needs to die for Iraq to move forward.
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