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Charles Krauthammer: Time for Iraq to start carrying its own load
Manchester Union Leader ^ | November 19, 2006 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 11/19/2006 4:34:49 AM PST by billorites

Edited on 11/19/2006 4:54:05 AM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: billorites

It still boils down to infidels "occupying" sacred Babylon, no matter how much blood, sweat and tears we put into establishing an Arab democratic state. It's all about the "I"(slam). Democracy and Islam don't mix well, if at all. At best, we'll get another situation like Turkey- after decades of bloodletting.


21 posted on 11/19/2006 6:09:23 AM PST by TADSLOS (Mohammed was the L. Ron Hubbard of his time.)
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To: billorites

Why should Iraq start carrying its own load, that is totally and completely against the liberal ideology and hey they won this past election?


22 posted on 11/19/2006 6:11:18 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: TADSLOS
Democracy and Islam don't mix well, if at all.

It never has and never will. Those who think otherwise think the Chicago Cubs will win the World Series next year...

23 posted on 11/19/2006 6:18:04 AM PST by Doofer
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To: LibLieSlayer
Paul Bremmer owns that decision, lock, stock, and barrel!

Yes. Knee deep. He turned out to be a guy in deeper than his qualifications allowed. But, he was given waaaaay too much responsibility.

But, I'm just one sixty year old guy who believes that one man only does not make a policy happen these days.

****

For instance: Clinton giving away nuclear secrets to the Chinese did not happen without a ton of people going along with it. And no one in our government is making a stink about any of it now.

For instance II: Clinton lying about Flight 800 and also who was really responsible for OKC happened because no one in the government has ever stepped forward to tell the truth. They're nearly all crooks and incompetents in our government today.

24 posted on 11/19/2006 6:21:26 AM PST by beyond the sea ( Now that Pelosi Galore is in charge, it's never too late or early to start drinking.)
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To: billorites

Also at NRO:

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZDhmMWFhNTMwZmJhODIxYzFhNWZjMjYxZTY4OTU1Zjk=


25 posted on 11/19/2006 6:36:45 AM PST by Harrius Magnus (Not Welcome.)
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To: Doofer
Democracy and Islam don't mix well, if at all.

Modernity and islam don't mix well. See my tag line. Start with iran and syria. Don't stop until the remaining muslims renounce terror, if they don't continue with mecca and medina. There are 6 billion people on the planet and about 1 billion are muslims. I don't think we have to kill them all, but victory is the only solution.

26 posted on 11/19/2006 6:39:58 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: beyond the sea

Krautheimer is a psychiatrist, I think, and he could render a service by explaining just how debilitating a totalitarian regime is. Impatience with the Maliki government is premature, I think. It occurred to me that one could substitute "fix social Security" in these discussions and gain some perspective on just how long it takes for the sausage factory to generate change both here and in Iraq. When our pols have reformed Social Security, then they can critize the Iraqis. As long as they, too, avoid hard choices, they should keep their mouths shut.


27 posted on 11/19/2006 6:41:30 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: sirchtruth
Goodness, doesn't anyone see Bush's vision?

I see it and I agree with your comments. I have often said that, unless the revisionist historians are able to alter the record of what has actually happened, Iraq and Afghanistan will go down in history as two of the most brilliant military strategies ever employed. We have gone into two hot beds of terrorist activity, overthrown two brutal dictatorships and invited every would-be terrorist thug to come to the desert of Iraq and Afghanistan fight our professional army on their turf. If these battles weren't happening there I have no doubt that we'd be seeing urban fighting in our own streets, along with roadside IED's, suicide bombers in malls, etc. In fact, I'm surprised that we haven't seen more terrorist strikes here in the form of suicide bombers and the like. Clearly, the Bush strategy has worked and worked well. The Democrats know it and they can't stand the fact that Bush is getting credit for it. Iraq and Afghanistan are only battles in a much, much larger war. It is no accident that Iran is now surrounded by our forces. This is clearly by design and Iraq and Afghanistan are key elements to that strategy. Either Iran will topple under it's own mismanagement or we will be positioned to do what is necessary to keep them in check. Folks that don't see that don't want to see it.

American government, with Democrat control of the purse strings, is poised to make a very crucial mistake in the WOT. If we ignore this threat and retreat from it, it will undoubtedly follow us here. If our forces are "redeployed" to Guam, the terrorists won't follow them to Guam to continue the fight. They will come here. Folks had better wake up and realize that the Islamo-facists are playing for nuclear keeps and 10,000 years is a very long time to write off major portions of our country.

28 posted on 11/19/2006 6:59:50 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Tennessee - The last Conservative rock sticking above a deep blue sea....)
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To: KDD

Yep. I really don't think we've expanded this war to all the right places. Still trying to negotiate our way out of our slaughter.


29 posted on 11/19/2006 7:07:58 AM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: billorites

The question remains: are muslims capable of anything other than murder and mayhem???


30 posted on 11/19/2006 7:23:46 AM PST by tkathy (The choice is clear: White hat people or white flag people.)
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To: SkyPilot

"At the crux of the problem is Islam itself."

Yep. We are essentially pi$$ing in the wind with this WOT unless Islam itself is done away with as a major belief system. That'll never happen, sooooo...


31 posted on 11/19/2006 7:24:13 AM PST by L98Fiero (Terrorists, Communists and Liberals. All happy with a Democrat Congress)
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To: Thermalseeker
100% dittos on your post. It's amazing how many people even here on FR don't get that we are "over there" as a diversion to draw fighters & resources from the islamofascist forces- who declared war on all American citizens on 9/11 in NYC &DC - off & away from american soil & to make them fight their fight back on their turf. The ridiculous debate about WMD ("were there or weren't there, only their nuclear scientists know for sure") is a bogus MSM/DNC sideshow. We are in the ME to contain, grind down & deplete the islamofascists' jihad there instead of having to defend ourselves against it on Main Street USA. How hard is that for people to grasp?

Gosh, I wish you were the administration's spokesperson on this issue.

32 posted on 11/19/2006 7:43:20 AM PST by leilani (Dimmi, dimmi se mai fu fatta cosa alcuna!)
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To: gotribe

"Theocracy cannot govern a democracy."

Israel?

"Until tribalism is abolished and theocracy is abolished, there won't be democracy."

Israel?

"Democracy in iraq is a pipe-dream by people who need yet another evolving excuse for a continual misapplication of military power."

Halliburton?

Yeah, that's what it was. An excuse for a war.

Good one. (Sheesh.)


33 posted on 11/19/2006 8:03:12 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

Israel isn't a tribal society. Good grief - just because they had tribes in the old testament doesn't mean they have a tribal government today.


34 posted on 11/19/2006 8:05:39 AM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: ClaireSolt

"Impatience with the Maliki government is premature..."

Weirdly, I believe Krauthammer himself noted just a few weeks ago that the Iraqi government had been in place less time than a baseball season.

We've become an ADD society. An ADD foreign policy would be a disaster.

And it is *exactly* what the terrorists have always counted on.


35 posted on 11/19/2006 8:05:54 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: gotribe

Tribes seem to be an obsession with you.


36 posted on 11/19/2006 8:06:38 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: TADSLOS

"Democracy and Islam don't mix well, if at all."

Tell that to the Kurds, who seem to be doing great.

"At best, we'll get another situation like Turkey-after decades of bloodletting."

You mean Turkey the most stable and rational country in the Middle East, apart from Israel?

Yeah, that would be horrible.


37 posted on 11/19/2006 8:12:26 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: alloysteel

"The right solution for Iran may have been to allow the formation of Kurdistan, Mesopotamia and Assyria from the territories that are Kurdish, Shi'a, and Sunni."

Iran would take over the Shiite area. Literally. They would just move the borders.

Al Qaeda would take over the Sunni area. And we would have the Taliban situation in Afghanistan all over again.

Brilliant!


38 posted on 11/19/2006 8:15:54 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: billorites

The one area, the WOT, where Bush demonstrates LEADERSHIP, Krauthammer wants to RETREAT. No, the problem is Domestically Bush has been RETREATING too long. Winners LEAD, losers COMPROMISE.


39 posted on 11/19/2006 8:21:32 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: billorites

Once Sadaam has been executed I forsee a big turnaround. I really think many fanatics in Iraq think that as long as he is alive he could come back, sparking hope in some and fear in others. He really needs to die for Iraq to move forward.


40 posted on 11/19/2006 8:24:08 AM PST by MomwithHope
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