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"You know, I keep hearing from the Rudy boosters about the "great leadership" that Rudy provided during and after 9/11"

Perhaps if you lived in New York, and experienced first-hand how Rudy's no-nonsense approach to governing transformed this city, MY city, long before 9/11, you might recognize great leadership.

There is not one, NOT ONE, Conservative (as you define it) who can win a Presidential election and keep the Liberals and Democrats from sweeping into total power - with all that that implies, including judgeships.

There are only TWO Republicans with the name-recognition, star-power and fund-raising abilities to stop Hillary: Rudy and McCain.

On a 1-10 scale, with 10 being the most Conservative, nobody left of an 8 votes for Haley Barbour, or any of the so-called "Conservative values" group, and hence cannot win an election.

Rudy would get votes from 4 to 9, and that could win an election. Add to that the fact that he is where he needs to be on what I consider the most important and defining issues of our time, the GWOT and judicial nominations, and the fact that he is anti-tax-and-spend is icing on the cake. I can, I MUST, look past everything else.

The argument here is between ideology and practicality. If you let Hillary get in because your ideology will not allow you to vote for Rudy, you may as well go start your own country somewhere, because you won't recognize this one when the Dems are done with it.

Eternal Democrat control depends upon two things: the abolition of the Electoral College and massive amounts of dole-sucking immigration. Couple huge voting blocs beholden to Democrats for the food they feed their children every night with the tyranny of the majority rule, and you guarantee their power for the lifetime of our children and our children's children.

The stage is set for both of these things. Nationalism is now a dirty word. Patriotism is for loony far-right-wingers. Our children emerge from the universities bathed and scrubbed in multi-culturalism, and anybody that doesn't understand how the white man commited genocide upon an entire continent must be a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal.

America is a ripe fruit ready for the picking. Stay home and you're letting Hillary climb onto your back to harvest it.

Well, I don't live in NY, which is why I keep asking (so far, in vain) for additional examples of Rudy's great leadership during 9/11.

As for your electability argument, I am a conservative and am looking for a conservative to support in the primaries. You can reduce the whole universe of electable Republicans down to McCain and Rudy at this time, but I will not. Do I think that a conservative can defeat Hillary? Absolutely. Do I think it probable? Ask me in 23 months, which is several eons in political time.

BTW, the "too conservative/electability" argument was used by G.H.W. Bush supporters against Reagan in 1980, and it still gladdens my heart remembering how Big Ron crushed Mr. Peanut and Mondale.

The argument here is between ideology and practicality. If you let Hillary get in because your ideology will not allow you to vote for Rudy, you may as well go start your own country somewhere, because you won't recognize this one when the Dems are done with it.

Vote for the liberal to take over the GOP and you have invited the wolf into the fold to despoil your house and eat your young.

A liberal Republican controlling our party is more dangerous than a mere Xlinton in the White House. Before you all complain about Osama's nukes, keep in mind that I don't care because it's you liberals that will get the nuke first anyway. So before you present us with a candidate we will never vote for because he is the Anti-Christ to all that conservatives have held dear for decades, you'd better realize that New York and Washington aren't that important to us and that conservatives can survive a few years of Xlintonism better than to allow a NYC liberal to take over the party and destroy conservative principles forever. I think that presenting Rudy to us as the nominee actually is the death wish of some cheapskate liberals from New York who call themselves Republicans.

F.O.H. (Fear Of Hillary) will not win the election. And Rudy is to the Left of Hillary on many issues. And he has a messier personal history of recent vintage. Many Republican women, including the elderly conservative women who would never vote for a Hillary except if Rudy was the alternative, will look at the two and conclude Hillary is the family-values and moral candidate between the two.

I can easily envision Hillary getting electoral votes from states as Red as Nebraska, Wyoming and Utah. These are the three Bush-took-every-county states. And I've lived in two of them.