AMERICA'S MAYOR SEEKS LARGER EMPIRE (Giuliani as presidential candidate is scary)

NY POST ^ | November 19, 2006 | VOX POPULI (letters to the editors)

[Liz]

****......he won't be able to get conservatives on his presidential bandwagon. He is pro-choice and favors same-sex marriage, gun control and stem-cell research. He has to be able to swing Middle America. Name redacted Bellerose

**** Who is going to run Giuliani's exploratory committee? I understand Bernie Kerik, Russell Harding, Richard Roberts and a list of assorted cons are available from Giuliani's group of yes men. Maybe his driver will be our next attorney general. That's just what our country needs - more scandals. Whitestone

**** Giuliani was a terrible mayor, and has spent all his days promoting himself. Manhattan

**** Giuliani for president? What is happening to the moral high ground of the Republicans? It sounds like they are becoming the more corrupt and morally disgusting bunch of the two parties, yet they want Giuliani to lead the party of moral conviction and family values? Memphis, Tenn.

**** Giuliani as a presidential candidate is a scary concept. Manhattan

[Dark Skies]

That's the only place where I have ever seen that statement.

Do a Google search and see for yourself.

Just because someone puts that in an article (without clarification) doesn't make it so.

And while you're at it, check out Keriks bio. He's a former narc, not a limo driver.

Why is it that all Rudy-haters eventually get down to insults?

[ShawTaylor]

Your thinking line of voting for Rudy is the same as voting for a liberal dimocrat.


I'll take Giuliani over Hitlerty (who is a shoo in as the RATS candidate for 2008) a million times out of a million.
It's not even close!

[right-wingin_It]

Sorry, missed the italics tag...

Only Rudy could make me a McCainiac. The nice thing about Mad Mc is that he'll be forced to pick a Rightist Veep . . . and I doubt Mc lives until 2017.

there

[ShawTaylor]

Why is it that all Rudy-haters eventually get down to insults?

Because a a lot of them are secret Hitlery supporters trying to destroy the Guiliani candidacy before its even born?

[LiveFree99]

Yes, crime in NYC was bad, but remember, this was after four years of Mayor Dinkins, the softest-on-crime mayor NY has ever had. With him gone, there was bound to be an improvment in crimes rates.

Interesting that you don't mention Bill Bratton as partly responsible for NYC's crime rate decline. From Wiki:

In 1994, William Bratton was appointed the 38th Commissioner of the New York City Police Department by Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani. He had success in this position, and introduced the CompStat system of tracking crimes, which proved successful in reducing crime in New York City and is still used to this day, but left the job in 1996 after alleged personal conflicts with Giuliani.

Another rap on Rudy is that he's a glory seeker who just can't stand to see someone else get credit for something good.

[Dark Skies]

Because a a lot of them are secret Hitlery supporters trying to destroy the Guiliani candidacy before its even born?

I remember when folks used to say "may the best man win" but the Rudy-haters literally boil with innuendo and lies.

If someone wrote that Rudy urinated in public, it becomes absolute fact with the Rudy-haters.

And try to disagree with them and they become apoplectic with illogical agrument.

[ShawTaylor]

Yes, crime in NYC was bad, but remember, this was after four years of Mayor Dinkins, the softest-on-crime mayor NY has ever had. With him gone, there was bound to be an improvment in crimes rates.

Rubbish.
We had a soft on crime mayor b4 so we were "bound" to have an imporovement?
Says who?
Look at New Orleans and Detroit.
There is nothing "bound" to happen anywhere.
Someone has to work very , very hard at it for things to happen.
You attempts at downplaying Giuliani's very solid achievements is not working.

[RetiredArmy]

You are free to vote for the liberal of your choice.

[Just mythoughts]

Have you spent alll your life in NYCity? You do need to get out and about to the rest of this country.

What exactly has Rudy been doing since he left the office of Mayor of NYC?

You think Hillry and company have not been keeping tabs? Wonder you think that x-wife is going to support Rudy moving into the White House without her???

Hillry has won albeit a cake walk of sorts two elections, and more than you even have a clue Hillry was blessed by the mega preacher of mega preachers around this globe, none other than Billy Graham as making a great leader. Don't think that christening won't make great presidential tv ads.

Oh and how about ads showing that Rudy supported and voted for the Clintons in their previous presidential campaigns. You don't think he will be portrayed as the ultimate flipper and flopper???

Hillry has a voting record and she can give the appearance of being one big huge flying hawk when it comes to national security.

What does Rudy have since 9/11???? After this election you think those lost independents won't be seduced by the magical legacy of Hillry. This nation turned over to the cut and run vietnamization of Iraq liberals, so what can Rudy entice them with cause unless we have one huge terrorist attack, which NONE of us want, the majority of American people do not consider the threat to be anything more than political scare tactics.

[ShawTaylor]

I remember when folks used to say "may the best man win" but the Rudy-haters literally boil with innuendo and lies.
If someone wrote that Rudy urinated in public, it becomes absolute fact with the Rudy-haters.
And try to disagree with them and they become apoplectic with illogical agrument.




Pretty much sums up the Giuliani's haters here that I have seen.
Logic, and good sense are not their strongest points.
What they lack in logic, they more than make up for in senseless hate and sheer nastiness.

[World'sGoneInsane]

On the other hand, I can't understand why the Rudy-haters don't use the truth instead of innuendo.

There you go. The next election will not only be about your own personal beliefs, but who can beat the democratic candidate--be it Rudy or not. Who can win the election, should be a major factor.

[grannylinedancer]

I heard, before the Election, that Ken Mehlman was going to leave the RNC and go to work as Campaign Manager for Guiliani. Like him or not, I think he will be the Republican Candidate in 08. McCain will lose and become the Candidate of the Independent Party. Hillary will be the Democrat Candidate and lose to Guiliani. There! That's my prediction! And Yes...the Democrats and Liberal Media are scared to death of a Guiliani run against Hillary, that's why they're trying to burn him now.

[metalurgist]

Crime started to fall under Dinkins and his chief of police. Crime statistics also fell over the entire country. Do you want to give Rudy credit for that too?

Rudy gets credit for getting rid of the squeegee men. He doesn't deserve it. Dinkins chief got rid of them when he heard Rudy was going to use them as an example of Dinkins ineffectual law enforcement policies.

You claim to be from New York, but you don't know this? You have just signed up recently and are a Rudy promoter. How many more of his advance men are headed our way?

[ShawTaylor]

Have you spent alll your life in NYCity? You do need to get out and about to the rest of this country

I have been to at least 20 states in the past 4 years, 12 of them over 5 times.


"What exactly has Rudy been doing since he left the office of Mayor of NYC?
You think Hillry and company have not been keeping tabs? Wonder you think that x-wife is going to support Rudy moving into the White House without her???"

What you should be asking is , what exactly has Hitlery done in her ENTIRE LIFE, apart from getting married to the sleaziest , most corrupt president in American history, being involved in the death of Vince Foster, being involved in the Rose Law Firm scandals, miraculously making $100,000 from think air ( she called it "commodity trading").

Guiliani has a very SOLID record as mayor of the most hard to run city on the planet.
Even before he become mayor, his record as a Federal prosecutor against the mafia was unparalleled.
What did Hitelry every do again?

[antisocial]

"Why is it that all Rudy-haters eventually get down to insults?"

Better question, why would anyone who considers himself to be conservative even give Rudy a passing consideration? He is another Lincoln Chaffe.

This is a conservative website NOT a GOP booster club.

[Condor51]

Rudy's Exploratory Committee

One of the many problems I have with Rudy is his outright disdain for the Second Amendment. Yet astonishingly I'll see Gun Owning Freepers say "That's not a problem as the POTUS doesn't write the laws." Well, exuuuuuuuuse me but they do, i.e: "Bush's Tax Cuts", "Bush's Medicare Drug Plan", "Bush's No Child Left Behind Act" and last but certainly not least .. "Clinton's Welfare To Work Program". These all started out as 'policy' that became law. So yes, in effect the POTUS DOES write the law.

Then we have the POTUS and Treaties. Right now the U.N. has more than a few "Anti-Gun Treaties" waiting for some Liberal U.S. anti-gun POTUS to sign them - which would be approved in a heart beat by the new Rat Congress.

Then we have the matter of E.O's. These little 'laws' set Federal policy on an issue - like if the 2A is a 'personal right' or 'state right' and then basing Federal arrests and prosecutions accordingly.

While Dubya is WRONG on Illegals and screwed the pooch with the Church Lady and spent like a drunken sailor, on the Second Amendment he's been 100% for our rights.

One of his first acts back in Jan of 01 was to send a rep to the U.N. and tell them in no uncertain terms - hands off the Second Amendment, the US will NOT sign any of those anti-gun treaties. Then when John Ashcroft was confirmed his first act as AG was to issue an official DOJ policy statement that the 2nd Amendment was a "Personal" Right. This put a monkey wrench in a few Klintoon-Reno instigated trials that were still ongoing.

Rudy would be worse than Klintoon. He'd do everything in his power, by hook or by crook, to confiscate every gun he and his AG could lay their hands on.

My rant is now OFF. Except for two final words for Rudy.... (no not those)...

Molon labe!

[StatenIsland]

"You know, I keep hearing from the Rudy boosters about the "great leadership" that Rudy provided during and after 9/11"

Perhaps if you lived in New York, and experienced first-hand how Rudy's no-nonsense approach to governing transformed this city, MY city, long before 9/11, you might recognize great leadership.

There is not one, NOT ONE, Conservative (as you define it) who can win a Presidential election and keep the Liberals and Democrats from sweeping into total power - with all that that implies, including judgeships.

There are only TWO Republicans with the name-recognition, star-power and fund-raising abilities to stop Hillary: Rudy and McCain.

On a 1-10 scale, with 10 being the most Conservative, nobody left of an 8 votes for Haley Barbour, or any of the so-called "Conservative values" group, and hence cannot win an election.

Rudy would get votes from 4 to 9, and that could win an election. Add to that the fact that he is where he needs to be on what I consider the most important and defining issues of our time, the GWOT and judicial nominations, and the fact that he is anti-tax-and-spend is icing on the cake. I can, I MUST, look past everything else.

The argument here is between ideology and practicality. If you let Hillary get in because your ideology will not allow you to vote for Rudy, you may as well go start your own country somewhere, because you won't recognize this one when the Dems are done with it.

Eternal Democrat control depends upon two things: the abolition of the Electoral College and massive amounts of dole-sucking immigration. Couple huge voting blocs beholden to Democrats for the food they feed their children every night with the tyranny of the majority rule, and you guarantee their power for the lifetime of our children and our children's children.

The stage is set for both of these things. Nationalism is now a dirty word. Patriotism is for loony far-right-wingers. Our children emerge from the universities bathed and scrubbed in multi-culturalism, and anybody that doesn't understand how the white man commited genocide upon an entire continent must be a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal.

America is a ripe fruit ready for the picking. Stay home and you're letting Hillary climb onto your back to harvest it.

[ShawTaylor]

Crime started to fall under Dinkins and his chief of police

When Dinkins handed over power, crime was much HIGHER than it was when he took over power.
That is what counts.

Crime statistics also fell over the entire country

Tell that to New Orleans and Detroit.
You see, its got something to do how really BAD the situation was before you took over, and what you are able to do about it.
Crime has been really , really bad in Detroit and New Orleans, and its STILL really, really bad in Detroit and New Orleans ( they had to send in the National Guard to New Orleans recently again to combat crime). That is how bad things were in New York at one time, when we had to the tune of 3000 murders a year.
Today it's less than 600.

Now if someone were to go to Detroit, which is really bad, and bring crime down sharply, then we'd be talking about a real achievement.
Guiliani has already done that.
Hitlery has done NOTHING entire entire life.

[LC HOGHEAD]

Rudi's liberal views on abortion, gays, and guns--which I oppose--will not stop me from voting for him if that is what it takes to keep the Hildabeast and Slick Willy from moving back into 1600 Pennsylvania

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY

[zendari]

No, George Allen took out George Allen. He was at some 65% of the Virginia vote a few months ago.