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Embittered Insiders Turn Against Bush
Washington Post ^ | November 19, 2006 | Peter Baker

Posted on 11/19/2006 8:34:17 AM PST by TheTruthAintPretty

The weekend after the statue of Saddam Hussein fell, Kenneth Adelman and a couple of other promoters of the Iraq war gathered at Vice President Cheney's residence to celebrate. The invasion had been the "cakewalk" Adelman predicted. Cheney and his guests raised their glasses, toasting President Bush and victory. "It was a euphoric moment," Adelman recalled.

Forty-three months later, the cakewalk looks more like a death march, and Adelman has broken with the Bush team. He had an angry falling-out with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld this fall. He and Cheney are no longer on speaking terms. And he believes that "the president is ultimately responsible" for what Adelman now calls "the debacle that was Iraq."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: iraq; kenadelman; neocons; turncoats
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To: painter
I think you might the sides here mixed up.

Nope, found it... From "Civilwarhome.com"

Lesser battles are famous for their casualties. At Franklin, Tennessee, November 30, 1864, General Hood's Confederates lost over 6,000 of 21,000 effectives -most of them in about two hours. Six Confederate generals died there.

Mark

41 posted on 11/19/2006 11:43:17 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Sabramerican

I agree with you on the main reason.

Our military's hands are tied up by the what-are-people-going-to-say fear.

Our military was and is not allowed to conduct the war against the insurgency and their Iranian allies the way they are capable of.


42 posted on 11/19/2006 11:47:04 AM PST by melancholy (Bella bint Pelusi, the Sneaker of the Out-House, she is a shoe-in!)
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To: HelloooClareece
"pretty well"

While I'm not thrilled with the current chaos is Iraq, we have ousted Hussein. That means Iraq is not sponsoring international terrorism or building wmds. That by itself is a huge success. The day we dragged Hussein out of that spider hole is the day we greatly reduced the chances of a wmd going off in an American city.

43 posted on 11/19/2006 11:58:05 AM PST by driftless2
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To: melancholy
"What d'ya think?"

I think you should be carefully listened to!! I think you might be a prophet. :-) Prophets are rarely welcome at first. Later, when proved right........it's amazing the reaction.

Nancee

44 posted on 11/19/2006 1:27:28 PM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: hgro
"...-In reality, he's a stinker."

AMEN!!!

45 posted on 11/19/2006 1:29:02 PM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: melancholy
served the hearts & minds with a bullet each and NO PC in sight.

Amen, brother.

46 posted on 11/19/2006 1:35:36 PM PST by txhurl (We had to destroy the party in order to save it)
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To: melancholy
Good afternoon.
"...they would have served the hearts & minds with a bullet each and NO PC in sight."

Do you mean as the Chinese did in Vietnam and the Russians did in Afghanistan?

Michael Frazier
47 posted on 11/19/2006 1:40:34 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
Good afternoon, sir. Do you mean as the Chinese did in Vietnam and the Russians did in Afghanistan?

I mean some of what Saddam did to control the violent factions for decades. if you care to read my URL in which I explained some of the Iraqi history and violence, you may not find a need to be sarcastic.

I answered the Afghanistan question in a previous post. Are you gonna ask me about the Congo Brazzaville next? :-)

Instead of drive-by-posting, maybe you should try to guide us with a novel solution of your own.

Have a great evening, sir.

48 posted on 11/19/2006 2:16:20 PM PST by melancholy (Bella bint Pelusi, the Sneaker of the Out-House, she is a shoe-in!)
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To: melancholy
Good afternoon.
"Are you gonna ask me about the Congo Brazzaville next? :-)"

I wasn't planning on it, since it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. No, I'm responding to your belief that the answer to Iraq's problems is an iron thumb.

I don't really need to read your URL to know the history of the players in the middle east or to understand that we can't afford to lose, or that we can't leave yet without losing. My novel solution is for us to take Syria out of the picture and bring about regime change in Iran by any means in either place.

The take over by the DemocRATs is going to make that much harder to do. I've got to say that I'm not optimistic about things working out. W may have the only answer when he says "stay the course", but we're not likely to do so now.

I haven't seen you around here much, melancholy. Maybe it's just that I have overlooked your posts. Whatever, I'll post as I choose but thanks for the wish for a great evening.

Michael Frazier
49 posted on 11/19/2006 2:50:23 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty
"Anytime anyone holds themselves up as holy, they're judged by a different standard," said David Kuo, a former deputy director of the Bush White House's faith-based initiatives who wrote "Tempting Faith," a book that accused the White House of pandering to Christian conservatives. "And at the end of the day, this was a White House that held itself up as holy."

In the end, the President's greatest failing was surrounding himself with snakes like this.

50 posted on 11/19/2006 3:11:25 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: HelloooClareece
I still don't see how Iraq is the quagmire everyone says it is. I actually think that it is going pretty well.

I agree with you. Unfortunately, the moment Rumsfeld was sacrificed, Bush legitimized all of this nonsense.

For the record, after three years, we've lost fewer troops than the armchair generals predicted we'd lose taking Baghdad. They were wrong then, they're wrong now.

Sellouts. Gutless, opportunistic, seditious sellouts. The whole damn lot of them.

51 posted on 11/19/2006 3:20:36 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

More from the "See EVERYBODY thinks it's a failure and hates the President" media.


52 posted on 11/19/2006 3:27:50 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
I think you misunderstand the support that many of us give the President.
53 posted on 11/19/2006 3:31:37 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: brazzaville
..........No, I'm responding to your belief that the answer to Iraq's problems is an iron thumb.

According to their history, it's the only way to win. I outlined that already in the URL that you're feeling indignant to read! LOL Nope, not trying to force ya!

..........I don't really need to read your URL to know the history of the players in the middle east

This doesn't mean you didn't read it! You may not WANT to admit it but..... Psychology says:....never mind! LOL

or to understand that we can't afford to lose, or that we can't leave yet without losing. My novel solution is for us to take Syria out of the picture and bring about regime change in Iran by any means in either place.

To be efficient, you take Iran out first, Air power for a few days of military bases and nuke sites bombing. Syria will fold, no doubt about it!

We couldn't bring regime change in Iraq for a decade. We had to invade. We CAN'T invade the-much-larger Iran and we don't want to. Crippling the Iranian mullahs will most likely change the regime or at least take them out of the Iraq game, capeesh? (Phonetic!)

I haven't seen you around here much, melancholy. Maybe it's just that I have overlooked your posts.

It's difficult to keep up with FR posts when one is really busy. I didn't post that much. I'm sure my posts weren't that interesting or important. However, the record is there but don't stumble on that URL! Sounds like Niagara Falls in the famous Abbot & Costello skit! Do not say "URL"!!! LOL

Nice talking to you Michael, all in good humor though!

Have an extended wonderful evening, sir.

54 posted on 11/19/2006 3:40:15 PM PST by melancholy (Bella bint Pelusi, the Sneaker of the Out-House, she is a shoe-in!)
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To: melancholy
Good evening.

I'm not feeling indignant, FRiend.

I got an email tonight from an old comrade I hadn't heard from in 38 years and I'm feeling good knowing that he and the others he brought me up to date on are doing well.

I disagree that we absolutely must attack Iran to defeat it. The Mullahs are their own worst enemy and I believe we can bring them down from within if given time. I believe that Syria is the most pressing enemy right now, but the easiest to topple. If Syria is out of the loop, we will be able to deal with a weakened, isolated Iran.

The DemocRATs are OUR worst enemy and they may not give us time to win. If we don't win then we will have a full on world war between Islam and the rest of the world.

Clearly I need to get that certificate of occupancy for my new house, get a garden ready for spring and do some reloading.

Later,

Michael Frazier
55 posted on 11/19/2006 4:38:18 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
The DemocRATs are OUR worst enemy and they may not give us time to win.

I agree completely.

Congrats on the house and good luck, FRiend.

Bye for now.

56 posted on 11/19/2006 4:47:14 PM PST by melancholy (Bella bint Pelusi, the Sneaker of the Out-House, she is a shoe-in!)
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To: PISANO

You know, We could use 140,000 guys and all that heavy equipment in CA for about a week. Start in L.A. and head south down the I-5 and the coastal roads toward Mexico. Women will be throwing flowers to the guys on the tanks the same way they tossed them to my dad in Sicily over 60 years ago.


57 posted on 11/19/2006 5:53:48 PM PST by BobS
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To: driftless2
That means Iraq is not sponsoring international terrorism or building wmds.

What you're missing is that the main enemy is Iran. Iraq was a target of convenience. But Iran has managed to tie us down there while they develop their nuke. When that happens, and I see nothing stopping it now, Bush will go down in history as a worse president than Jimmy Carter.

58 posted on 11/19/2006 6:12:25 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: Capt. Tom

Anyone who uses the words "war" and "cakewalk" in the same sentence is not operating in the realm of reality.


59 posted on 11/19/2006 6:16:10 PM PST by Twinkie (SEE MIA T. ARTICLES FOR FORBIDDEN INFORMATION . . . . .)
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To: melancholy

The Russians killed over 1 million Afghani's and all it ended up doing was turning every one in the country against them. The same would happen in Iraq. Your strategy is one of proven failure.


60 posted on 11/19/2006 6:36:32 PM PST by Diplomat
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