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Rep. Rangel will seek to reinstate draft
AP via Yahoo! ^ | November 19, 2006 | AP

Posted on 11/19/2006 10:30:36 AM PST by Brilliant

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To: Red Boots
I remember reading that Lew Ayers was a CO prior to WW2.He received such bad publicity that after the war began he became a corpsman. He still did not fire a weapon but he served in the face of battle.
281 posted on 11/19/2006 1:53:08 PM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: freedomdefender

You're close in your analysis. Think 'parenting' instead of 'dictator.' However, parents don't control kids today, the advertisers do. Too many parents allow their kids to be branded and these kids grow up to be totally brainwashed into thinking their life is horrible if they don't have the latest gadget or they don't have the newest car. Way too many teens and 20-30-somethings were raised by marketing agencies instead of their parents; and the parents are the ones who let that happen.

There was time in this country's history when young people waited in line for jobs (and sometimes food). Now they wait in line for toys and beg like they are in a bread line. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this?


282 posted on 11/19/2006 1:54:37 PM PST by bws53
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To: Jim Noble
Becasuse the Left, couple with their army of lawyers, will tie the "drafted army" into knots. Because you will have a tangible minority within the armed forces protesting (literally) ANY action that isnt 100% defensive . Because AWOLS will increase multifold, and because what you saw in the early '70's will occurr much earlier and with larger impact.

Look at Europe, most countrie's armies there are via draft and they do NOTHING. Thats Rangel's goal. Why else would he be in favor of it?? (and all those other leftists)

283 posted on 11/19/2006 1:59:37 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Caesar Soze
No different than certain Republicans (not you, but you know who I mean) agitating to bring back the draft as some kind of social experiment. "We need to get the kids away from their PlayStations and Nintendos and teach them how hard it was in 1943! That'll straighten them out! Never mind family structures, media influences, or public morality, the draft is good for what ails ya!"

The draft, as a descendant of the militia and the fyrd, exists to levy troops for military purposes only. It's not there to provide jobs to youths, to instill values, to beautify the environment, or to increase social cohesion. It exists -- when it does -- to provide a surge of man-power for the enterprise of breaking things and killing people.

Well said. I'm all for the draft being an option in a time of military emergency, not as a back door to turning America into a modern Sparta or introducing something akin to mandatory AmeriCorps service. America wasn't founded as a regimented society under the control of the central government. We may need the draft again, but certainly not for the sake of Iraq, where the administration's goal is greater Iraqi self-reliance. This is just a transparent political ploy by Rangel, one which his fellow Democrats (especially those who fought against the draft in the Vietnam era) should be ashamed of.

284 posted on 11/19/2006 2:00:37 PM PST by Polonius (It's called logic, it'll help you.)
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To: Cvengr
Good afternoon.

I believe that Charlie Rangle fought in Korea.

That doesn't make the fact that he is a race baiting socialist any less obnoxious.

Michael Frazier
285 posted on 11/19/2006 2:00:55 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: TexKat

Now that I have your attention, have you seen and heard this?

Speakers on - - Kleenex at the ready!

http://www.cpmsglife.org/tg/2006tdm1.html

(It's making the internet rounds and may be overloaded at times.)


286 posted on 11/19/2006 2:01:47 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: Nonstatist

Rangel and Stark and the rest of the neoMarxists would like nothing better than having idiots like Hegel and McCain fronting for them in their attempt to bring Vietnam type protests back in vogue. IMO, only nostalgiac numbskills would want an indifferent, potentially hostile, fifth column injected into our defense forces


287 posted on 11/19/2006 2:04:22 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Night Hides Not
It's only my opinion, but a return to the draft would undo all that was accomplished by all of those fine soldiers.

It's not that I disagree with you, per se, it's just that I don't understand your point at all.

How would a draft "undo?"

288 posted on 11/19/2006 2:05:11 PM PST by paulat
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To: pandoraou812
Look I am not against serving my country at all or a draft. However I think it has to be done differently then ever before. We have so many kids that have been on all kinds of medication, that have anger issues, depression etc. Not to mention the drug addicts. What does Rangel plan to do with kids like this in the draft?

What about the discipline of the military doing it's stuff? I still think Rangel is taking the easier-than-Bill-Cosby route. Military discipline may be the only thing to save a minority generation.

289 posted on 11/19/2006 2:07:38 PM PST by paulat
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To: meyer
Rangle is a Korea war vet.

So am I and so what? Truman sent poorly trained, poorly equipped draftees to Korea where they were like lambs led to slaughter.

Only a very small percentage of people in the population make good warriors and I wasn't one of them.
290 posted on 11/19/2006 2:08:05 PM PST by Griddlee
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To: leadpenny
Women, imo, would be used (drafted) for the same jobs, and in the same proportions, they are now performing in.

I agree...I would exempt pregnant folks...but I'm 50...in GREAT shape...and would serve, if called.

291 posted on 11/19/2006 2:09:34 PM PST by paulat
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To: paulat
...but I'm 50...

Kid.

292 posted on 11/19/2006 2:12:02 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: Jim Noble
Thinking we'll go back to the army of the WWII is idiotic.

Why is that?

To begin with, we're not fighting World War II; we're not fighting with World War II weapons, etc., systems; we're not fighting the World War II Axis; we're not fighting on World War II battlefields; we went into this war with an operational Army, not a cadre Army; we're performing a counterinsurgency mission, not a fastest-mostest decisive battle mission; we don't have the public support we had during World War II; and we don't have the international support we had during World War II.

They say generals always try to fight the last war. I guess armchair generals always try to fight World War II.

293 posted on 11/19/2006 2:15:28 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: leadpenny
Simply lovely leadpenny. Thanks for the link. I will be forwarding it to others.

Hang in there, I know that you will!

294 posted on 11/19/2006 2:16:29 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: bws53

You're full of crap!

Both of my married sons who work very hard and successfully to support their families stood in lines today. Not for the PS3, but for the new Wii system. This is their pasttime when not working or helping with the kids. My oldest makes his living as an artist for a PC/box game company and it has worked well for him. The other is the IT/Network person for his company.

Playing games as a pasttime is no different than those of you who play golf regularly or from the maniac fans who will camp out in line for superbowl tickets, or tickets for some college team, or a concert for their favorite band. In fact, most golf fanatics and sports nuts I know spend less time with their families than my sons or most gamers I know. One other thing, they read books (history, novels, literature) all of the time, and more than 20 books a year. They take more time to read than I have been able to in recent years.

Get a grip! You automatically assume that those who stand in line to buy these games are layabouts. Some are, but most work for the money they are spending.

OK, now go back to your pro football game.


295 posted on 11/19/2006 2:17:56 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: paulat
Well that might be a good idea. But what can you do with kids that have these addictions and mental problems that won't cost the taxpayers a fortune? Some of the kids that have passed thru my house over the years have had serious problems. I have taken in two boys that had really bad home issues and thank God now they are fine but had they not been taken in by someone and given love I don't even want to think of what they would be today. I think everyone should serve their county in some way, male or female. I think we should start with the ones who drop out of school and need some guidance that otherwise they will never get. And I am all for illegal Mexicans being the chance to serve this county in return for being a citizen. But the fact is who is going to screen all these people and who is going to pay for all the rehabilitation some will need? I do agree with what you said...Military discipline may be the only thing to save a minority generation. Somebody has to save some of them somehow.
296 posted on 11/19/2006 2:24:17 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: paulat
Military discipline may be the only thing to save a minority generation.

It did little to save the 60's/early 70's minority generation who were drafted. I saw them first hand. The ones who were drafted who already had a solid grounding did well. Those who were crapweasels coming in were the same going out, same for a lot of the whites who were sent to duty by judges or who were drafted. Most of the latter category just came out being better versed in wielding a weapon in the commission of a crime. Discipline best benefits those who are willingly receptive to it from the start.

297 posted on 11/19/2006 2:26:45 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Red Steel

Yep. Spot on.


298 posted on 11/19/2006 2:28:47 PM PST by rlmorel (The US Media...Where you get Million Dollar Words From people with a Ten Cent Fart for a brain.)
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To: leadpenny; All

Quetion: What is the longest lenghth of time that any one soldier spent on the battlefield?


299 posted on 11/19/2006 2:30:03 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: scannell

Funny. Several Navy ships, such as USNS Mercy, have been dragooned into doing idiotic "Meals On Wheels" operations for foreign nations. The Bush Administration is just as guilty when it comes to misusing military forces for publicity and "social work."


300 posted on 11/19/2006 2:30:03 PM PST by KantianBurke
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