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Japan's Yasukuni Shrine Accuses U.S. of Provoking Japan into WWII
BBC News ^ | Oct. 6, 2006

Posted on 11/19/2006 7:56:32 PM PST by davy

Japan's controversial Yasukuni shrine is to review a controversial display that says the US provoked Japan into entering WWII, Japanese media reports.

The US government complained about the exhibit, which claims that a US economic embargo forced Japan into war.

The Yasukuni shrine, seen by critics as a symbol of Japan's past militarism, has soured ties with its neighbours.

It is likely to overshadow a fence-mending visit to neighbours that New PM Shinzo Abe begins on Sunday.

He will visit China - the first Japanese premier to visit Beijing in five years - before moving on to South Korea.

China had refused to meet his predecessor, Junichiro Koizumi, because of his annual visits to the shrine.

Mr Abe has not said if he plans to visit Yasukuni himself.

Japan denied reports out of China that he had promised not to visit the shrine "for the time being".

The Yushukan museum, based in the Shinto shrine, was changing or deleting the reference to the US at the request of US officials and others who had questioned its accuracy, Japan's Kyodo news agency said.

Reuters news agency quoted a statement from the shrine that said it was reviewing all the museum's exhibits - and would be seeking the opinions of experts - in line with the fifth anniversary of its renovation.

"In order to make the exhibits more substantial, we will also review the historical accounts," the statement said.

Controversy over Yasukuni centres on the fact that 14 Japanese war criminals are venerated at the shrine, alongside its war dead.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan
KEYWORDS: japanhistorywwii
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To: JasonC

The Russian counterattack in front of Moscow started December 6th, the day before the Pearl Harbor attack. If I remember correctly, the German unit [from Kluge's 4th Army?] spotted the Kremlin on the 5th.


41 posted on 11/19/2006 9:25:39 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: davy

If you want to see how liberals think in the worst way, check out http://www.democraticunderground.com. A Haz Mat suit is recommended.

Welcome to Free Republic and thanks for the interesting post.

And people are all nuts over us still being in Iraq. We haven't even left Japan yet.


42 posted on 11/19/2006 9:30:32 PM PST by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: DuncanWaring

Hey the cesspool of rotting fecal matter behind my house is asking for an apology!!!


43 posted on 11/19/2006 9:32:15 PM PST by Xenophon450 (im on ur thread, replyng to ur topix)
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To: davy
Well from their point of view they probably did see it somewhat that way. They seem to be forgetting some of the history that led up to that embargo though
44 posted on 11/19/2006 9:34:22 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Actually, in some ways, the claim is absolutely correct.

FDR went out of his way to harm the Japanese economy with our own efforts against them there. FDR WANTED Japan in the war so he would have an excuse to attack the Nazis.

He thought Japan would be easy to defeat and he could move on the Hitler, whom FDR thought the real threat (not that Hitler wasn't a threat, of course).

Of course, the economic avenue would not have been successful if the Japs had not been so militaristic and aggressive in the Pacific Rim in the first place. Sure, FDR wanted to defeat Japan, but it wasn't because Japan was so mean to it's neighbors. He just wanted a way at the Nazis that he could get past US voters who put him back in office NOT to go to war (he promised he would stay out of the war, and lied the whole time as he was constantly LOOKING for a way in).

FDR was one of our worst liars ever to hit the White House. Even worse than Clinton.


I see... so we Americans, through our intrigue and plotting, tricked the Japs into WWII??? With all due respect, WTH are you talking about?


45 posted on 11/19/2006 9:34:41 PM PST by davy
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To: davy

I believe it's true.

There were 10 years of depression. The New Deal had basically failed. Of course FDR wanted the conflict.

You don't move your Navy some 3000 miles closer to Japan and not expect them to get worried.


46 posted on 11/19/2006 9:50:40 PM PST by mc6809e
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To: DuncanWaring

you overate the place :)


47 posted on 11/19/2006 9:51:16 PM PST by xp38
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To: davy

DU is a reference to the Democrat Underground site. They are also referred to, fondly, as DUmmies! :)


48 posted on 11/19/2006 10:07:02 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Why would he want to have a war on two distant fronts. I've always heard this said about FDR but never believed it. Why not just get Italy to offend you in some way ?


49 posted on 11/19/2006 10:24:29 PM PST by Rumple4
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To: Enchante
They aren't bets, and no they won't be off. The left will blame it all on provoking our enemies and say it is Bush's fault - you know it - and will counsel appeasement and UN sovereignty and all the rest of it.
50 posted on 11/19/2006 10:40:24 PM PST by JasonC
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To: PzLdr
The Japanese decided on war over a week before, sailed already, etc. Irrelevant details. Japan thought Germany would win and bet the farm it would be so. When it wasn't they were toast.
51 posted on 11/19/2006 10:42:00 PM PST by JasonC
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To: cripplecreek

--I suppose China provoked Japan into slaughtering untold numbers of Chinese as well.--

Don't forget mean ol' Korea. They provoked Japan into destroying Korea at least two times.


52 posted on 11/19/2006 10:44:18 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: davy
He's just a Nazi posing as an isolationist who wanted the US to side with Germany etc. There are still a few of those around - see the contemporary Linberg types and the later Buchanan etc.
53 posted on 11/19/2006 10:44:57 PM PST by JasonC
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To: davy
He's talking about the duplicity of FDR. There's a great film clip of Roosevelt coming back from pre-US involvement meeting with Churchill, where he announced he would never send our guys to fight in Europe [forget the quote, but it was a catchy slogan]. If you look to FDR's left rear, you'll see a general. His name was Alfred Wedemeyer. He was carrying the plans to deploy U.S troops to Europe.

FDR came out of WWI with an intense hatred of the Germans. He tried every which way he could to get into the war in Europe. Lend lease, and the destroyers for bases deal violated the laws of neutrality. Dividing the Atlantic into patrol zones with the British, convoying their ships [and ours], and reporting the positions of U-boats to the Royal Navy was the act of a co-belligerent. so was providing one of the pilots on the PBY that found BISMARCK. Depth charging German U-boats in 1940 was an act of war. FDR's problem is Hitler wouldn't bite [despite demands from Doenitz and Raeder that he do just that.

That's why, when the Germans DID fire back [and sink the U.S.S RUEBEN JAMES and at least one other destroyer] there was no cry for war in the U.S [except by Pete Seeger, who now had a reason to sing, and the other post Barbarossa hawks] because people knew what was going on.

It's this background that makes the Japanese policy of the U.S so attractive to conspiracy theorists. Roosevelt was looking for a way into the war in Europe. Hitler gave it to him with his declaration of war on December 11th. But for that, I doubt FDR could have sold it to Congress. And despite Japanese aggression, FDR, from the git go, made Germany the primary target.
54 posted on 11/19/2006 10:47:51 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Rumple4

Because Japan was already butting heads with US interests. Italy was not. We had a built in way to get to Japan. Not to Italy.


55 posted on 11/19/2006 11:13:08 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: davy

I didn't get around to entering college until I was 38, and damned if the world history prof wasn't teaching that as gospel, right here in good old Florida. Why are you surprised that they teach it in Japan? Everything is our fault, don't you know?
Hell, maybe we ran out of nukes too soon!


56 posted on 11/19/2006 11:17:57 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: davy

The oil embargo was placed to stop Japan from invading every country in Asia.(It didn't work, they did it anyway)


57 posted on 11/19/2006 11:20:45 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: davy
But seriously, some of my younger friends still in college told me that in their exchange programs to Japan (they're graphic design major, closely related to Japanese cartoons), they noticed Japanese history books have no mention of Pearl Harbor. You can look those two words up in the index, but they're not there.

If they were looking for the roman letters "Pearl Harbor", I would be surprised if they did find such roman letters in an index for a history book in Japan, just as I would be surprised to find any kanji or kana properly indexed in one of our textbooks.

From the exchange students that I have met, I don't think most English-speaking exchange students would be capable of looking in a standard Japanese text for such phrases as 真珠湾奇襲 or 真珠湾攻撃. Japanese texts from what I have seen tend to be serious volumes that don't use a lot of roman letters.

In fact, by odd coincidence a complaint that I just heard from someone who studied history in Japan was about the "katakana-ization" of foreign words in university history texts, and gave an excellent example which now escapes me.

But as a simple example, America might be katakan-ized as アメリカ, though in a serious history book I would be unsurprised to see the kanji 米国 used more often.

58 posted on 11/20/2006 1:53:57 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: davy

But Japan can never do anything credible to deny their lack of humanity in the war they "now" want to beleive they were forced into! There is no justification for their forced prostitution, rapes, and murder of entire population centers, treatment of POWs, and their own commander's fanatical death-to-themselves attacks. The very thought that a Rising Sun Japanese soldier would consider taking a prisioner if yet another entirely different thought, for which the likes of today's revisionist Japanese scholars cannot not answer, honestly.


59 posted on 11/20/2006 2:42:38 AM PST by Jumper
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To: sine_nomine

FDR's fault


60 posted on 11/20/2006 3:16:51 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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