Skip to comments.Megapastor Rick Warren's Damascus Road experience (Megapastor Rick Warren admits he's in CFR)
Posted on 11/20/2006 5:44:21 AM PST by Esther Ruth
Megapastor Rick Warren's Damascus Road experience (Megapastor Rick Warren admits he's in CFR)
Posted: November 20, 200 1:00 a.m. Eastern
WASHINGTON Rick Warren, the superstar mega-church pastor and bestselling author of ''The Purpose Driven Life,'' had a Damascus Road experience last week and like Saul of Tarsus, one of the after-effects appears to be blindness. Warren went to Syria and could find no persecution of Christians. He could find no persecution of Jews. He could find no evidence of extremism. He could find no evidence of the sponsorship of terrorism.
Despite the temporary loss of vision that prevented him from seeing any evil in the totalitarian police state, Warren's hearing was apparently not affected for his ears were tickled by what he heard and apparently accepted lock, stock and barrel from the second-generation dictator, Bashar Assad, and his state-approved mufti.
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But that's not the story Warren is telling at least not in the official press releases he is sending out from Rwanda in response to my confrontations with him last week in which I accused him of betraying his own country in a hostile foreign land and of being a propaganda tool of the Islamo-fascist regime in Damascus.
In fact, after I called him out last week in my column, Warren e-mailed me claiming to have been misquoted by the official Syrian news agency.
''Joseph, why didn't you contact me first and discover the fact that I said nothing of the sort?'' he pleaded. ''The trip was a favor to my next door neighbor, had nothing to do with policy, and was done with the State Department's knowledge who told us to expect exactly what Syria did a PR blast. I don't pretend to be a diplomat. I'm a pastor who just gets invited places.''
I pointed out to Warren that WND had indeed attempted to contact him about his trip. No one from his Saddleback Church ever returned our calls the day the story broke.
''I'm sure since you were warned in advance by the State Department that you took the precaution of recording your own words,'' I suggested in my response. ''We look forward to seeing the transcripts or hearing the recordings.''
I also asked if he could respond specifically to the words put in his mouth by the Syrian news agency. And lastly I suggested that he should have ''counseled with me, or other people knowledgeable about the Middle East before doing so much damage with your reckless trip.''
I really didn't expect to hear back from Warren but, a few minutes later, I did, with an absolutely stunning retort.
He let me know he is a close friend of President Bush ''and many, if not most, of the generals at the Pentagon.''
He also told me he did not tape anything while in Syria, ''because it was a courtesy call, like I do in every country.''
Warren explained that he had also counseled with the National Security Council and the White House, as well as the State Department, before his little courtesy call for a neighbor.
''In fact,'' Warren added, ''as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Oxford Analytica, I might know as much about the Middle East as you.''
He continued: ''I hope you'll not choose to believe Syrian propaganda even though, as you pointed out at the start of your article, you've been wanting to criticize me for some time. In spite of your rush to judgment, I think you write great, insightful columns. You are almost batting 1,000.''
No sooner had I received this surprising response from Warren, I also got an e-mail providing a link to a YouTube video of Rick Warren in Syria explaining how great the Assad regime treats Christians and Jews and how Damascus ''does not permit extremism of any kind.''
Not one to let lies go unchallenged, I wrote back to Warren with a link to the YouTube video: ''If you didn't tape anything, what's this? Do you really believe Syria does not allow extremism of any kind? There are more terrorist organizations based in Syria than anywhere else in the world!''
It might be that Rick Warren, deep in the bush of Rwanda, never received those last questions, because he never responded at least not in the last three days.
He did, however, within minutes make sure the YouTube video he recorded independent of his meetings with the Syrian brown shirts was removed from the network. Vanished. Kaput. Sterilized. Cleansed.
Stay tuned for more on Rick Warren's ''Agenda-Driven Life'' in the coming days sponsored, of course, by the Council on Foreign Relations.
Ping - Rick Warren - Council on Foreign Relations.
God have mercy on us!
Rick in CFR! God forbid!
Please, Lord, he can't be THAT clueless. I suppose you use some of us in mysterious ways your wonders to perform . . . but that's very hard to fathom, Lord.
I think the Purpose Driven Life is a great piece of work.
Since I don't adore someone just for writing a book though, I guess what he does now does not impact my thinking much. It might affect whether I would purchase a new book from him. It would depend on the content and how it is reviewed.
His comments in Syria, if true, are disturbing. Who cares if he is a member of the CFR? He probably got a nice ballcap and t-shirt out of the deal.
How can anyone now think that Rick Warren is a conservative Evangelical? He is a liberal, new-age Contemplative Spiritualist.
so what.... yawn....
Rick Warren never saw a TV or photo Op that he could refuse. It would violate his great marketing plan if he would turn down any such chance for publicity.
Hmmmm. We should ask Joe Farrah's ex-wife and daughters if Joe has any credibility himself.
I think the same could be said for a lot of these people. I think they started out in good faith but they became corrupted by fortune and fame.
Pride comes before destruction.
Sounds like Rick Warren is on the same track as Ted Haggard.
May his impending fall facilitate a humility that turns his heart toward the Lord.
News is news.
No doubt. Rick Warren was wrong from the beginning of his books, when he used the psychology of Carl Jung. It was a red flag to many, but his popularity soared because he offered an easy road. Now the chickens are coming home to roost, as his real motives are revealed.
My dad had a saying about preacher's who inserted themselves into controversy.
"They're building a kingdom...I'm not sure it's the Lord's."
Didn't Warren also just invite Barack Obama to speak at his "megachurch"?
Yes. See this thread:
As far as I know Rick Warren is not a televangelist!
Every newspaper, every magazine, every TV/Radio journalist should post their resume, affiliations, and financial dealings. Do they hold Halliburton stock? Exxon stock? Maybe it effects their journalism. Shouldn't they be held to the same standard?
Where did they go to school? What clubs did they belong to? What was their religious upbringing? How rich are they? What party do they belong to? What SUV do they drive? Gay or straight? Affairs? Boxers or briefs? Inhale or exhale? Did they ever use drugs in college? Any DUI's in their past? Have they ever uttered the word 'macaca'? We need a clearinghouse for all this information. It's not about liberal or conservative. It's about point of view and hidden agendas. Lay it on the table Mr.& Ms. Journalist.
"The moment I picked his books up I knew I couldn't follow the teachings. Something wasn't quite right when I listened to my heart."
I had the same sort of mild "repulsion" but I went through the whole book. I had to force myself. It was okay but not the revelation that so many seemed to find. I never understood so many churches devoting Sunday worship to the book or the Christians that were so crazy about it. I tend to be unimpressed with so many "popular" trends in Christian churches.
I cannot read his book either. I think it is tedious and poorly written. Good points, maybe.
Like emotional immaturity, spiritual immaturity = lack of discernment.
There's a sucker born every minute and two messianic megolomanic grifters to take him.
I had to read through most of the article to see what "CFR" was; in my line of business, it's "Code of Federal Regulations".
evil always comes in pretty packages, warren isn't any different.
Have you ever read World magazine? It is a news magazine written from a Christian worldview. They don't just rubber stamp all things that have a Christian label. You can look it up online to get an idea. It is a very good source.
Oh, he's a televangelist. He just doesn't have a scheduled weekly program. :)
If you stop at the first sentence, the book is great! :)
Obama went there to discuss " The Purpose Driven Land Deal"
Megachurches are not good. Makes me thnk of "The One World Church"
Very interesting. Thanks for the link.
Well prayed--we all have fallen short of the glory of G-d, may he bring us to a point of humility so that we can be used by Him.
You just hit the nail on the head.
Farrah's ex-wife and kids were in Syria with Warren??
Mega churches are not good, is a very generalized statement.
Being large or small in number is not what makes or breaks a spiritual church!
Pretty funny to see the shock at this "revelation".
I agree that all are probably not bad. I like Hagee. I guess it is just good to always make sure that the pastors word doesn't become bigger than the word of God.
What gives you the idea that the CFR has a unified viewpoint when all the evidence is that it does not?
Me too....anti zionist
True. There can be infighting in small churches as well. And Greg Laurie pastors a very large church & appears to be solid. I've watched the internet broadcasts & have a number of mp3, and it's all sound doctrine. The main thing I wonder about with some of the mega churches is whether the shepherd can actually have too many sheep?
It does seem that the CFR does hold to the idea of no individual nations and no individual sovereignty - right? That's sort of the beginning and end of what folks might need to know - I would think?
Don't tell me you EVER had any faith in the thieving scoundrels. Swindlers one and all, stealing old widows' pensions.