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Megapastor Rick Warren's Damascus Road experience (Megapastor Rick Warren admits he's in CFR)
World Net ^ | November 20, 2006 | Joe Farrah

Posted on 11/20/2006 5:44:21 AM PST by Esther Ruth

Megapastor Rick Warren's Damascus Road experience (Megapastor Rick Warren admits he's in CFR)

Posted: November 20, 200 1:00 a.m. Eastern

WASHINGTON – Rick Warren, the superstar mega-church pastor and bestselling author of ''The Purpose Driven Life,'' had a Damascus Road experience last week – and like Saul of Tarsus, one of the after-effects appears to be blindness. Warren went to Syria and could find no persecution of Christians. He could find no persecution of Jews. He could find no evidence of extremism. He could find no evidence of the sponsorship of terrorism.

Despite the temporary loss of vision that prevented him from seeing any evil in the totalitarian police state, Warren's hearing was apparently not affected – for his ears were tickled by what he heard and apparently accepted lock, stock and barrel from the second-generation dictator, Bashar Assad, and his state-approved mufti.

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But that's not the story Warren is telling – at least not in the official press releases he is sending out from Rwanda in response to my confrontations with him last week in which I accused him of betraying his own country in a hostile foreign land and of being a propaganda tool of the Islamo-fascist regime in Damascus.

In fact, after I called him out last week in my column, Warren e-mailed me claiming to have been misquoted by the official Syrian news agency.

''Joseph, why didn't you contact me first and discover the fact that I said nothing of the sort?'' he pleaded. ''The trip was a favor to my next door neighbor, had nothing to do with policy, and was done with the State Department's knowledge – who told us to expect exactly what Syria did – a PR blast. I don't pretend to be a diplomat. I'm a pastor who just gets invited places.''

I pointed out to Warren that WND had indeed attempted to contact him about his trip. No one from his Saddleback Church ever returned our calls the day the story broke.

''I'm sure since you were warned in advance by the State Department that you took the precaution of recording your own words,'' I suggested in my response. ''We look forward to seeing the transcripts or hearing the recordings.''

I also asked if he could respond specifically to the words put in his mouth by the Syrian news agency. And lastly I suggested that he should have ''counseled with me, or other people knowledgeable about the Middle East before doing so much damage with your reckless trip.''

I really didn't expect to hear back from Warren – but, a few minutes later, I did, with an absolutely stunning retort.

He let me know he is a close friend of President Bush ''and many, if not most, of the generals at the Pentagon.''

He also told me he did not tape anything while in Syria, ''because it was a courtesy call, like I do in every country.''

Warren explained that he had also counseled with the National Security Council and the White House, as well as the State Department, before his little courtesy call for a neighbor.

''In fact,'' Warren added, ''as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Oxford Analytica, I might know as much about the Middle East as you.''

He continued: ''I hope you'll not choose to believe Syrian propaganda even though, as you pointed out at the start of your article, you've been wanting to criticize me for some time. In spite of your rush to judgment, I think you write great, insightful columns. You are almost batting 1,000.''

No sooner had I received this surprising response from Warren, I also got an e-mail providing a link to a YouTube video of Rick Warren in Syria explaining how great the Assad regime treats Christians and Jews and how Damascus ''does not permit extremism of any kind.''

Not one to let lies go unchallenged, I wrote back to Warren with a link to the YouTube video: ''If you didn't tape anything, what's this? Do you really believe Syria does not allow extremism of any kind? There are more terrorist organizations based in Syria than anywhere else in the world!''

It might be that Rick Warren, deep in the bush of Rwanda, never received those last questions, because he never responded – at least not in the last three days.

He did, however, within minutes make sure the YouTube video he recorded independent of his meetings with the Syrian brown shirts was removed from the network. Vanished. Kaput. Sterilized. Cleansed.

Stay tuned for more on Rick Warren's ''Agenda-Driven Life'' in the coming days – sponsored, of course, by the Council on Foreign Relations.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: burqagirl; cfr; dhimmicrats; evangelical; nancypelosi; occult; oneworld; purposedrivenlife; rickwarren; saddlebackchurch; syria; warren
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1 posted on 11/20/2006 5:44:23 AM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: TexasGreg

Ping - Rick Warren - Council on Foreign Relations.


2 posted on 11/20/2006 5:47:16 AM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Esther Ruth

God have mercy on us!

Rick in CFR! God forbid!

Please, Lord, he can't be THAT clueless. I suppose you use some of us in mysterious ways your wonders to perform . . . but that's very hard to fathom, Lord.


3 posted on 11/20/2006 5:48:34 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Esther Ruth

I think the Purpose Driven Life is a great piece of work.

Since I don't adore someone just for writing a book though, I guess what he does now does not impact my thinking much. It might affect whether I would purchase a new book from him. It would depend on the content and how it is reviewed.


4 posted on 11/20/2006 5:50:11 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: GarySpFc

His comments in Syria, if true, are disturbing. Who cares if he is a member of the CFR? He probably got a nice ballcap and t-shirt out of the deal.


5 posted on 11/20/2006 5:50:21 AM PST by Kokojmudd (Outsource GM to a Red State! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: GarySpFc

How can anyone now think that Rick Warren is a conservative Evangelical? He is a liberal, new-age Contemplative Spiritualist.


6 posted on 11/20/2006 5:50:21 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Esther Ruth
I am increasingly skeptical of these TV preachers with the mega churches and mega bank accounts.....
7 posted on 11/20/2006 5:51:41 AM PST by Kimmers (Please God; bless America)
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To: Quix
The moment I picked his books up I knew I couldn't follow the teachings. Something wasn't quite right when I listened to my heart.

God warns us of false teachers and prophets.
8 posted on 11/20/2006 5:52:21 AM PST by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: Esther Ruth

so what.... yawn....


9 posted on 11/20/2006 5:53:01 AM PST by PDR
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To: Kimmers

Rick Warren never saw a TV or photo Op that he could refuse. It would violate his great marketing plan if he would turn down any such chance for publicity.


10 posted on 11/20/2006 5:53:35 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Esther Ruth

Hmmmm. We should ask Joe Farrah's ex-wife and daughters if Joe has any credibility himself.


11 posted on 11/20/2006 5:55:14 AM PST by Kay
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To: Esther Ruth

bttt


12 posted on 11/20/2006 5:56:23 AM PST by 100-Fold_Return (CHRIS, Take Up Thy Bed and Walk!)
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To: TommyDale

I think the same could be said for a lot of these people. I think they started out in good faith but they became corrupted by fortune and fame.


13 posted on 11/20/2006 5:58:31 AM PST by Kimmers (Please God; bless America)
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To: Esther Ruth

Pride comes before destruction.

Sounds like Rick Warren is on the same track as Ted Haggard.

May his impending fall facilitate a humility that turns his heart toward the Lord.


14 posted on 11/20/2006 6:00:46 AM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Quix
This is not a case of being clueless. It is a case of his head getting too big. He has gone native.He is sort of a gimmicky guy and so he is easy to manipulate. He should be shunned.
15 posted on 11/20/2006 6:01:47 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Kokojmudd
He only wears those goofy Hawaiian shirts.
16 posted on 11/20/2006 6:02:40 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Kay

News is news.


17 posted on 11/20/2006 6:03:44 AM PST by Shimmer128 (My beloved is mine and I am his. Song of Solomon 2:16)
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To: Quix
Please, Lord, he can't be THAT clueless

Of course he's not that clueless, He is a deceiver and always has been.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2Peter 2:1
18 posted on 11/20/2006 6:04:11 AM PST by The Lumster (USA - where the innocent have nothing to fear!)
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To: Kimmers
"I think the same could be said for a lot of these people. I think they started out in good faith but they became corrupted by fortune and fame."

No doubt. Rick Warren was wrong from the beginning of his books, when he used the psychology of Carl Jung. It was a red flag to many, but his popularity soared because he offered an easy road. Now the chickens are coming home to roost, as his real motives are revealed.

19 posted on 11/20/2006 6:04:20 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Esther Ruth

My dad had a saying about preacher's who inserted themselves into controversy.

"They're building a kingdom...I'm not sure it's the Lord's."


20 posted on 11/20/2006 6:07:56 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Esther Ruth

Didn't Warren also just invite Barack Obama to speak at his "megachurch"?


21 posted on 11/20/2006 6:11:52 AM PST by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Yes. See this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1741263/posts


22 posted on 11/20/2006 6:13:30 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Esther Ruth
I guess that he didn't find any WMD's in Syria either!!!!/sarcasm
23 posted on 11/20/2006 6:19:40 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Kimmers

As far as I know Rick Warren is not a televangelist!


24 posted on 11/20/2006 6:21:18 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Esther Ruth
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25 posted on 11/20/2006 6:26:11 AM PST by dragonblustar
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To: mariabush
But regarding the CFR - it is good to know where people stand regarding the CFR and hear their opinions - right? It is good to know if websites, the people on them, the folks who run the website - it is good to know if they are in agreeement or disagreement with all that the CFR believes in. It is probably best that people know whether or not their pastor is a CFR member and aligned with it's goals.
26 posted on 11/20/2006 6:27:28 AM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: Kay
I would love to see journalists exposed. Why are they the only industry free of investigations? Big bad oil companies. Big bad preachers. Big bad politicians. Who is watching the journalists? The tables should be turned. Investigate journalists ethics and actions. Not for a liberal/conservative bias. But for private and public actions. Shouldn't they disclose their stock portfolios? Shouldn't they disclose all of their affiliations?

Every newspaper, every magazine, every TV/Radio journalist should post their resume, affiliations, and financial dealings. Do they hold Halliburton stock? Exxon stock? Maybe it effects their journalism. Shouldn't they be held to the same standard?

Where did they go to school? What clubs did they belong to? What was their religious upbringing? How rich are they? What party do they belong to? What SUV do they drive? Gay or straight? Affairs? Boxers or briefs? Inhale or exhale? Did they ever use drugs in college? Any DUI's in their past? Have they ever uttered the word 'macaca'? We need a clearinghouse for all this information. It's not about liberal or conservative. It's about point of view and hidden agendas. Lay it on the table Mr.& Ms. Journalist.

27 posted on 11/20/2006 6:30:37 AM PST by carmody
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To: Paige

"The moment I picked his books up I knew I couldn't follow the teachings. Something wasn't quite right when I listened to my heart."

I had the same sort of mild "repulsion" but I went through the whole book. I had to force myself. It was okay but not the revelation that so many seemed to find. I never understood so many churches devoting Sunday worship to the book or the Christians that were so crazy about it. I tend to be unimpressed with so many "popular" trends in Christian churches.


28 posted on 11/20/2006 6:31:26 AM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Paige

I cannot read his book either. I think it is tedious and poorly written. Good points, maybe.


29 posted on 11/20/2006 6:31:57 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: TommyDale
"How can anyone now think that Rick Warren is a conservative Evangelical? He is a liberal, new-age Contemplative Spiritualist."

Like emotional immaturity, spiritual immaturity = lack of discernment.

There's a sucker born every minute and two messianic megolomanic grifters to take him.

30 posted on 11/20/2006 6:33:00 AM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: Esther Ruth

I had to read through most of the article to see what "CFR" was; in my line of business, it's "Code of Federal Regulations".


31 posted on 11/20/2006 6:34:42 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Esther Ruth

evil always comes in pretty packages, warren isn't any different.


32 posted on 11/20/2006 6:35:39 AM PST by pipecorp ( Al Lahsucks...what do you get when you cross nancy pelosi and islam? viet nam)
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To: carmody

Have you ever read World magazine? It is a news magazine written from a Christian worldview. They don't just rubber stamp all things that have a Christian label. You can look it up online to get an idea. It is a very good source.


33 posted on 11/20/2006 6:36:04 AM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: mariabush

Oh, he's a televangelist. He just doesn't have a scheduled weekly program. :)


34 posted on 11/20/2006 6:41:40 AM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Paige

If you stop at the first sentence, the book is great! :)


35 posted on 11/20/2006 6:42:36 AM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Obama went there to discuss " The Purpose Driven Land Deal"

Megachurches are not good. Makes me thnk of "The One World Church"


36 posted on 11/20/2006 6:43:17 AM PST by dforest (Don't get fooled, the bigger struggle is still out there, and growing)
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To: Esther Ruth; TommyDale

Very interesting. Thanks for the link.


37 posted on 11/20/2006 6:46:32 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Theo

Well prayed--we all have fallen short of the glory of G-d, may he bring us to a point of humility so that we can be used by Him.


38 posted on 11/20/2006 6:46:56 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: indylindy

"The One World Church"

You just hit the nail on the head.

39 posted on 11/20/2006 6:47:49 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Kay

Farrah's ex-wife and kids were in Syria with Warren??


40 posted on 11/20/2006 6:55:07 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: indylindy

Mega churches are not good, is a very generalized statement.

Being large or small in number is not what makes or breaks a spiritual church!


41 posted on 11/20/2006 7:17:15 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: indylindy
The ..." The Purpose Driven Land Deal" meets the "The One World Church"

This all reminds me of something I've read before .... somewhere.

What conclusions should people draw I wonder about the CFR, it's goals, members and their view about Israel? Would the CFR goals be Zionist or antiZionist?
42 posted on 11/20/2006 7:21:52 AM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: TommyDale

Pretty funny to see the shock at this "revelation".


43 posted on 11/20/2006 7:22:07 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: mariabush

I agree that all are probably not bad. I like Hagee. I guess it is just good to always make sure that the pastors word doesn't become bigger than the word of God.


44 posted on 11/20/2006 7:23:09 AM PST by dforest (Don't get fooled, the bigger struggle is still out there, and growing)
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To: Esther Ruth

What gives you the idea that the CFR has a unified viewpoint when all the evidence is that it does not?


45 posted on 11/20/2006 7:24:08 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Esther Ruth

Me too....anti zionist


46 posted on 11/20/2006 7:24:54 AM PST by dforest (Don't get fooled, the bigger struggle is still out there, and growing)
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To: mariabush

True. There can be infighting in small churches as well. And Greg Laurie pastors a very large church & appears to be solid. I've watched the internet broadcasts & have a number of mp3, and it's all sound doctrine. The main thing I wonder about with some of the mega churches is whether the shepherd can actually have too many sheep?


47 posted on 11/20/2006 7:25:12 AM PST by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

It does seem that the CFR does hold to the idea of no individual nations and no individual sovereignty - right? That's sort of the beginning and end of what folks might need to know - I would think?


48 posted on 11/20/2006 7:30:30 AM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: mariabush
Agreed he is not a televangelist. I should not have put him in that category. I did like his book and am disappointed with some of his statments lately.
49 posted on 11/20/2006 7:34:29 AM PST by Kimmers (Please God; bless America)
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To: Kimmers
I am increasingly skeptical of these TV preachers with the mega churches and mega bank accounts.....

Don't tell me you EVER had any faith in the thieving scoundrels. Swindlers one and all, stealing old widows' pensions.

-ccm

50 posted on 11/20/2006 7:35:38 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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