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"Kramer's" Racist Tirade -- Caught on Tape
TMZ ^ | 11/20/06 | TMZ Staff

Posted on 11/20/2006 7:03:27 AM PST by torchthemummy

Michael Richards exploded in anger as he performed at a famous L.A. comedy club last Friday, hurling racial epithets that left the crowd gasping, and TMZ has obtained exclusive video of the ugly incident.

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To: Ganymede

Then you, as a black person, should be telling that to the black people who DO use it toward other blacks AND to the media who think it is just fine, and we should all just understand and accept that, and who also think it's fine and totally PC to disparage white people about their race.

Frankly, I'm fed up with the double standard and being told that, because I'm white, I'm responsible for and should make amends (meaning pay money) for every wrong that's ever been committed against anybody, anytime, and anywhere.


561 posted on 11/21/2006 1:20:33 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: kenth

I don't talk to hecklers!!


562 posted on 11/21/2006 1:22:11 PM PST by Beth528
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To: Lizavetta
Racist dialogue comes in a variety of forms. Does it have to match Kramer's to be offensive?

That depends on how easily offended you are. I've been one of three white people in a comedy club with a black comic and an otherwise black audience (the other two were also at my table), and we got a little grief, but it struck me as good-natured. We weren't called names or insulted.

If you draw 0-100 scale for "offensive," Richards' rant was a hell of a lot closer to the top end than anything I've heard from black comics. There is a valid point that white comics can get away with about a 20 and black comics can get away with about a 40, but that's no defense for Richards, who hit at least an 80.

563 posted on 11/21/2006 1:23:53 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Beth528
It has been nice going back and forth with you on this subject you have been a gentleman and I appreciate that..No accusing or ranting..p>O

Thank you. Allow me to say the same (except for the "gentleman" part). I try to disagree -- even heatedly -- without being disagreeable, and I hope I succeed most of the time.

564 posted on 11/21/2006 1:26:32 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: trisham
"How did you determine the culture of the other poster?"

He made it a point to say that he was a black male, which is totally irrelevant to the point unless he was referencing the black culture.

He then proceeded to provide an example where, if someone flipped him off, he got 'ticked off' and couldn't imagine that everyone wasn't that way. I merely explained that you can't let the actions of others generate these knee-jerk responses. He simply couldn't understand that allowing the actions of others to determine his knee-jerk response was because he values the opinions of others over his own.

Someone flips me off, I don't care. Their opinion is completely irrelevant to me and certainly no reason for me to respond in some knee-jerk fashion. But that is because I come from a different culture. He wasn't able to understand that.

Now I suppose that he might have related his black skin color without realizing that it was irrelevant to the discussion if he wasn't referencing the black culture, but the balance of his responses support the original interpretation.

It doesn't matter what color you are, if you get 'ticked off' because someone flips you off, you value that person's opinion more than your own. That seems to be a fairly obvious conclusion.

Perhaps you are confused because this paradigm, while part of the black culture, is not limited to the black culture. I'll be that's what the problem is.

565 posted on 11/21/2006 1:31:07 PM PST by GourmetDan
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To: ReignOfError
Works for MAC users
I'm not much for picking on grammar, and I let the first one slide, but it's Mac. Not MAC. It's short for Macintosh -- doesn't stand for anything.

You're kidding me right? I'm really sorry about that please accept my apology I will never ever type Mac that way again and cause so much offense. I will also try to find the way to get a little R in a circle to correctly identify it as a trademark.
566 posted on 11/21/2006 1:32:47 PM PST by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: GourmetDan
Perhaps you are confused because this paradigm, while part of the black culture, is not limited to the black culture. I'll be that's what the problem is.

*************

No doubt. Thanks for the explanation.

567 posted on 11/21/2006 1:35:40 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Buffettfan
I would love to see you walking down the streets of south central LA or Harlem about 3am in the morning. I'd be willing to bet that we'd probably never see another post from you on FR again. You need to see a shrink about your "white guilt".

Relevance? Are you shifting from excusing racism to supporting it?

569 posted on 11/21/2006 2:16:17 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Buffettfan

Reign of White Guilt. It's raining white guilt! But then, only non-whites can speak about it and mock it as Shelby Steele does. But you oughta attend some ethnic gatherings as an insider or a trusted outsider. It helps to speak the language, too. (I mean 'ethnic' as in foreign born U.S. residents or citizens.) By the measuring stick of the "RACISM" obsessed white guilt promoters, they are all (the ethnics), I mean all, "RACISTS", just for daring to note certain obvious cultural characteristics of other ethnic groups, most often those the native born white guilty feel so guilty about. But these ethnics know full well that it's not about race, it's about culture, stupid. Just ask some Africans here...


570 posted on 11/21/2006 2:28:18 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Who invented rock and roll hiccups?)
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To: Revolting cat!

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Perhaps you might consider going back to your picture posting mode.


571 posted on 11/21/2006 2:41:43 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Buffettfan
Hey Buffetfan,

Did you see Jimmy Buffet hanging out with Bill Clinton and Dan Rather at Ed Bradley's funeral? I thought he was going to cry as he played some song for good old lefty Ed Bradley.

Right now, you are literally acting like a Parrothead. Squawking, enunciating words but not making sense. Let me see if I can construct your argument:

White guy walks down street late at night in Harlem;
White guy presumably gets attacked automatically, since he is white;
White guy stops having "white guilt"
White guy therefore doesn't mind when Kramer calls an audience member an "N" and then shouts it over and over and suggests the man should be lynched.

Good line of reasoning.

572 posted on 11/21/2006 2:43:16 PM PST by Defiant (Dems don't want to lose Iraq, they just want Hillary to win it and then fly onto a carrier.)
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To: Defiant
Good line of reasoning.

*************

It's difficult to remain unconvinced.

573 posted on 11/21/2006 2:45:20 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Stop using logic. You need to use emotion when your tribal loyalties are involved.


574 posted on 11/21/2006 2:50:31 PM PST by Defiant (Dems don't want to lose Iraq, they just want Hillary to win it and then fly onto a carrier.)
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To: Defiant
Mea culpa. Here are some members of my tribe:


575 posted on 11/21/2006 3:13:03 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

A fine tribe to be a member of.


576 posted on 11/21/2006 3:52:02 PM PST by Defiant (Dems don't want to lose Iraq, they just want Hillary to win it and then fly onto a carrier.)
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To: ReignOfError

Let's hear ReignOfError weigh in on this one. I can't wait to hear his reply :)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1742309/posts


577 posted on 11/21/2006 3:52:39 PM PST by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: ReignOfError
From what I understand he has little experience as a standup. The first thing I thought when I saw the tape (I didnt see the introduction and didnt know it was Richards) was that it was an Andy Kaufman like setup. Im disappointed it wasnt.
578 posted on 11/21/2006 3:55:12 PM PST by mthom
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To: Defiant

Nice try Defiant. Maybe "Ice Cube" will come knocking at your door tonight. Better make sure it's locked.


579 posted on 11/21/2006 3:56:13 PM PST by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: Buffettfan

That's a horrible racist assault, and the people who did it shouldn't get out of prison until they're wearing diapers, using walkers and don't know where they are. If there is any any case where a hate crime statute applies, that's it.

Yes, black racists commit horrible crimes. I don't see what bearing that has on the fatuous comparison between Michael Richards' rant and a Chris Rock routine. As far as I know, neither of them has committed a crime.


580 posted on 11/21/2006 4:04:36 PM PST by ReignOfError
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