I don't freep during the day while working, so the times I freep when I'm not busy is in the evenings. Chances are that I miss lots of parties here at FR.
THIS was never taught. God the Father is the literal father of Jesus Christ, nothing was said about sex (you have a perverted mind) We have many ways of doing this now, God has so many ways to do this we can’t count them.
Perverted mind? LOL.... let's take a look whose mind is perverted, shall we?
Regarding God having sexual relations with Mary to have Jesus, by Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 218, 1857; vol. 8, p. 115.
believe that after becoming a good Mormon a person has the potential to become a god
Well, we are his children, and have linked the scripture (from the Bible) on other posts on this thread…
Really? Check out the teachings of Joseph Smith: pages 345-347, 354.
From DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTSSECTION 132:20 "Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them,"
This is really twisted phraseology, How about just going to the source
It is twisted according to the Mormon Doctrine, p. 163 - I agree with that.
From the Book of Abraham translated by from the Papyrus, by Joseph Smith:Regarding God being married to his goddess wife, read the Mormon Doctrine p. 516. So let me put it simply.... A Mormon Jesus is non-existent.Pearl of Great Price, Book of Abraham 4:3-7
4:3 – And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light.
4:4 – And they (the Gods) comprehended the light …
4:5 – And the Gods called the light Day …
4:6 – And the Gods also said …
4:7 – And the Gods ordered the expanse …
Where in the Bible does it use the word Trinity?
When you talk about Jesus, you talk about the New Testament.
Go and read my earlier posts on this thread for a link to the Catholic encyclopedia where this is discussed.
LOL, post the links if you want me to read them. I don't have the time to go looking for posts.
>>Chances are that I miss lots of parties here at FR.
Bummer, but I understand.
>>Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 218, 1857; vol. 8, p. 115.
Link?
>>Well, we are his children, and have linked the scripture (from the Bible) on other posts on this thread…
OK, Try John 10:34 ( http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/10/34#34 )
“Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?”
The logic is really simple, we are god’s children, he chooses to go by Father. This world is a type and a shadow, do dogs have kittens? Do Sheep give birth to goats? If god hs children what do they grow up to be?
How about Phillip 2:5&6 (http://scriptures.lds.org/en/philip/2/6#6 )
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Are we not in the form of god also?
>>Pearl of Great Price, Book of Abraham 4:3-7
Yep, good place to start Joseph says Gods, in the Vulgate the Word for God in Latin is nonspecific as to the number Mice=Mouse and vice versa it was translated to mean God singular because of the Nicene Creed which declared God to be singular. The Jews (whose Torah was also taken from the Vulgate, because they had lost the original manuscripts) Translated God as plural.
Hippolytus (The Great, Great grandson of John the Beloved) taught that the doctrine of God and Christ as one entity was heresy and refuted it in a book in the series he wrote called “A refutation of all heresies” which was lost for over 1,000 Years until copies were found being made by rote in a monastery in eastern Asia.
Some Quotes of the translation that was done
From “Against The Heresy Of One Noetus”
“1. Some others are secretly introducing another doctrine, who have become disciples of one Noetus, who was a native of Smyrna, (and) lived not very long ago. This person was greatly puffed up and inflated with pride, being inspired by the conceit of a strange spirit. He alleged that Christ was the Father Himself, and that the Father Himself was born, and suffered, and died. Ye see what pride of heart and what a strange inflated spirit had insinuated themselves into him.”
And
"A man, therefore, even though he will it not, is compelled to acknowledge God the Father Almighty, and Christ Jesus the Son of God, who, being God, became man, to whom also the Father made all things subject, Himself excepted, and the Holy Spirit; and that these, therefore, are three. But if he desires to learn how it is shown still that there is one God, let him know that His power is one. As far as regards the power, therefore, God is one. But as far as regards the economy there is a threefold manifestation, as shall be proved afterwards when we give account of the true doctrine. In these things, however, which are thus set forth by us, we are at one. For there is one God in whom we must believe, but unoriginated, impassible, immortal, doing all things as He wills, in the way He wills, and when He wills."
Gen 1:26 Let Us make man in our image (Who is us, why not me in my image?)
So, Mormons are not nearly as inventive as you would have us be but are actually going back to Beliefs from the time of Christ.
>> So let me put it simply.... A Mormon Jesus is non-existent.
BZZT Wrong!
We Talk of Christ We Teach of Christ, We Testify of Christ. Jesus Christ id the very Center of the Gospel. You narrow minded Definition of Christ is the problem. That we do not believe in. We believe in the actual factual Christ.
>>When you talk about Jesus, you talk about the New Testament.
Jehova is also Jesus’ name, he is also the God of the Old Testament. Messiah is also Jesus’ name Isaiah prophesied of him that way. What does all this have to do with the fact that the word Trinity does not appear anywhere in the Bible and is therefore not “Biblical”
New Advent is in and of itself a treasure trove, http://www.newadvent.org it is the Catholic encyclopedia on line and has all sorts of historical information in there, I got lost in there for a week once so be warned, for the avid reader, it can be addictive.
Specifically
Refutation of all Heresies Links to all the existing books here
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0501.htm
(2 and 3 are missing)
Council of Nicea (where the Nicene Creed was created 325 AD, by Constantine Emperor)
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11044a.htm
While reading this it is important to note that the histories were being kept by persons who were subject to the will of the emperor, so they were writing things to put him in a good light so they would not be killed (which was Constantine’s way of eliminating Views and Stories he didn’t approve of, he was also where they coined the phrase don’t kill the messenger, because he did on several occasions, but I digress.)
My example of how this affects the writing since this document was written in Latin (which Constantine could read) Eusebius writes “The opponents were soon reduced to two” in other writings in Greek for example Eusebius (same writer now feeling less constrained) says the opponents were killed except for two (who couldn’t be killed because of their positions, one of these according to another document was Hippolytus who is improperly named here because Constantine did not want anyone to know Hippolytus opposed his revision, but it is reported correctly in the Greek, which I do not have a link to at my fingertips right now.)
Ok, you come late to class, then you ask us to repeat things that were already said, I did, so return the favor and play nice. (pun fully intended)