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RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 11-23-2006

Posted on 11/23/2006 8:52:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie

The Real Story of Thanksgiving

November 21, 2006

RUSH: Okay, time for the real story of Thanksgiving. I want to precede this by sharing with you -- and I want to bounce off of our last call, Suzie. Sometimes she has trouble being optimistic. Now, I don't know that this would qualify as something about which you can run around and feel really optimistic about. Something struck me the other day. (It strikes me a lot, by the way.) I went to a dinner party on Friday night, and it was a buffet here where I live before I had to go over to the Breakers Hotel and introduce Ann Coulter and give her an award for David Horowitz's Restoration Weekend. There were a lot of people at this bash, and walking through the buffet and looking at all of the food, the shrimp, all the vegetables and everything, the desserts, it just struck me.

I started flashing back to my trip to Afghanistan. I saw some of the most unbelievable human living conditions I have ever seen, and I can tell you for a fact that the number of average Afghanis who eat food in the way we take for granted is just astoundingly high. We hear all day long pessimistic stories about shortages of this or that, we're going to deplete the oceans of all edible fish in 30 years or whatever the hell stupid notion it was, and we've been hearing these kinds of stories for years, that we're destroying species. It always amazes me when I actually stop to think about it. Just visit a grocery store. Imagine how many grocery stores there are in this country. Look at the food production in this country alone, and look at the relative cheap price that food is in grocery stores.

You can find high priced items in there, but bare essentials, market basket prices. People have to eat. There's not a whole lot of room for price gouging there unless you go to gourmet places and that kind of thing, but even at that, they're available, if you want it. The amount of food that is produced in this country, the plenty of it, is astounding, when you stop to think that wherever you are, in your one grocery store or at your restaurant when you're having dinner, imagine millions of such places, with the same stuff, and then put it all in somebody's home, where they're having Thanksgiving or what have you, or in restaurants or whatever, it's just astounding to me. The ability of the earth to produce and provide all this, against all these predictions that we're going to starve or going to have a famine, that the population explosion is going to wipe out all of these luxuries and opportunities.

It's just... I don't know. Sometimes it just blows me away, because I don't have anything to do with producing it. There are people that do, and I'm just in awe. When you asked me why I am optimistic and so forth, it's because I am in awe of the country. Compared to the rest of the world and compared to the attacks that we endure and even our own internal bottles of people in this country that hate this country, still look at it, look at it, if you want just from the bare essentials. Look at how many automobiles there are in a used car lot, look at how many automobiles there are in junkyards. Those are the cars in junkyards that are being driven around in places like Afghanistan or Cuba, anywhere else. We're just spoiled I think in so many areas that just the basics are often so taken for granted that their value in what they represent is overlooked on occasion.

We can even satisfy oddballs that don't want to eat meat or who don't want to eat fish, whatever your culinary peculiarities are, somebody's out there making sure that you can get what you want, even with all the assaults on the food business that there have been. Anyway, leads me to the real story of Thanksgiving as written by me in my book "See, I Told You So!" We're on Chapter Six here: "Dead White Guys or What Your History Books Never Told You," page 70.

On August 1, 1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers, including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey, Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible. The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work.

"But this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in November, they found, according to Bradford's detailed journal, a cold, barren, desolate wilderness," destined to become the home of the Kennedy family. "There were no friends to greet them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the Pilgrims – including Bradford's own wife – died of either starvation, sickness or exposure.

"When spring finally came, Indians taught the settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats." Yes, it was Indians that taught the white man how to skin beasts. "Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper! This is important to understand because this is where modern American history lessons often end. "Thanksgiving is actually explained in some textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of gratitude grounded in the tradition of both the Old and New Testaments. Here is the part [of Thanksgiving] that has been omitted: The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share.

"All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belong to the community as well. They were going to distribute it equally. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well. Nobody owned anything. They just had a share in it. It was a commune, folks. It was the forerunner to the communes we saw in the '60s and '70s out in California – and it was complete with organic vegetables, by the way. Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives. He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the marketplace.

"That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism. And what happened? It didn't work! Surprise, surprise, huh? What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years – trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it – the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson. If it were, we might prevent much needless suffering in the future.

"'The experience that we had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years...that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing – as if they were wiser than God,' Bradford wrote. 'For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense...that was thought injustice.' Why should you work for other people when you can't work for yourself? What's the point?

"Do you hear what he was saying, ladies and gentlemen? The Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to do their best work without incentive. So what did Bradford's community try next? They unharnessed the power of good old free enterprise by invoking the undergirding capitalistic principle of private property. Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products. And what was the result? 'This had very good success,' wrote Bradford, 'for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.' Bradford doesn't sound like much of a..." I wrote "Clintonite" then. He doesn't sound much like a liberal Democrat, "does he? Is it possible that supply-side economics could have existed before the 1980s? Yes.

"Read the story of Joseph and Pharaoh in Genesis 41. Following Joseph's suggestion (Gen 41:34), Pharaoh reduced the tax on Egyptians to 20% during the 'seven years of plenty' and the 'Earth brought forth in heaps.' (Gen. 41:47) In no time, the Pilgrims found they had more food than they could eat themselves.... So they set up trading posts and exchanged goods with the Indians. The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to the merchants in London. And the success and prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans and began what came to be known as the 'Great Puritan Migration.'" Now, other than on this program every year, have you heard this story before? Is this lesson being taught to your kids today -- and if it isn't, why not?

Can you think of a more important lesson one could derive from the pilgrim experience? So in essence there was, thanks to the Indians, because they taught us how to skin beavers and how to plant corn when we arrived, but the real Thanksgiving was thanking the Lord for guidance and plenty -- and once they reformed their system and got rid of the communal bottle and started what was essentially free market capitalism, they produced more than they could possibly consume, and they invited the Indians to dinner, and voila, we got Thanksgiving, and that's what it was: inviting the Indians to dinner and giving thanks for all the plenty is the true story of Thanksgiving. The last two-thirds of this story simply are not told.

Now, I was just talking about the plenty of this country and how I'm awed by it. You can go to places where there are famines, and we usually get the story, "Well, look it, there are deserts, well, look it, Africa, I mean there's no water and nothing but sand and so forth." It's not the answer, folks. Those people don't have a prayer because they have no incentive. They live under tyrannical dictatorships and governments. The problem with the world is not too few resources. The problem with the world is an insufficient distribution of capitalism.


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Happy Thanksgiving everyone
1 posted on 11/23/2006 8:52:31 AM PST by MNJohnnie
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To: EmilyGeiger; NonValueAdded; LibertyisSpecial; HOYA97; ICFN(ICan'tFixNothing); StoneWall Brigade; ...

Listen to Rush on Line.

http://www.jasoncann.org/radio.htm

http://radio.findanisp.com/radio-shows-on-air.php


2 posted on 11/23/2006 8:52:57 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: MNJohnnie

I'm here but probably won't catch Rush replay. I'm listening to Rush at the Warner theatre.


3 posted on 11/23/2006 8:55:34 AM PST by Current Occupant (DBM, Libs, 5th column,PC will destroy this country. Preach it TALKIES while you still can!!!!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Happy ThanksGiving Johnnie


4 posted on 11/23/2006 8:57:45 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Rick Santorum And Newt Gingrich08!)
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To: MNJohnnie; All

Happy Thanksgiving all!


5 posted on 11/23/2006 9:03:47 AM PST by cibco (Xin Loi! Saddam, what type of noose do you want? Plastic or rope?)
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To: MNJohnnie

Gov. William Bradford BUMP.
6 posted on 11/23/2006 9:04:38 AM PST by XR7
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To: MNJohnnie
Why in the world would Rush Bimbo decise to broadcast a show on Thanksgiving Day beginning with stories about sex with sheep and condoms.

What a complete *sshole.

7 posted on 11/23/2006 9:16:08 AM PST by beyond the sea ( Now that Pelosi Galore is in charge, it's never too late or early to start drinking.)
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To: MNJohnnie

decide to broadcast........


8 posted on 11/23/2006 9:16:41 AM PST by beyond the sea ( Now that Pelosi Galore is in charge, it's never too late or early to start drinking.)
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Well, it's a nice story but I do believe they English knew how to skin animals for fur.

A bountiful Thanksgiving to all!

9 posted on 11/23/2006 9:19:37 AM PST by olde north church (Steny Hoyer: The horse's head in Nancy Pelosi's bed.)
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To: beyond the sea

Is this a replay?


10 posted on 11/23/2006 9:20:15 AM PST by Current Occupant (DBM, Libs, 5th column,PC will destroy this country. Preach it TALKIES while you still can!!!!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Happy Thanksgiving Johnnie!


11 posted on 11/23/2006 9:20:44 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Current Occupant

Yes, it is.


12 posted on 11/23/2006 9:21:16 AM PST by kilowhskey (HEY! Senator Kerry: SMILE! You're on Candid Claymore!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Hey CC Happy ThanksGiving


13 posted on 11/23/2006 9:22:16 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Rick Santorum And Newt Gingrich08!)
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14 posted on 11/23/2006 9:22:17 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Thanks


15 posted on 11/23/2006 9:22:36 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Rick Santorum And Newt Gingrich08!)
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To: Current Occupant

Yes it is


16 posted on 11/23/2006 9:23:17 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Rick Santorum And Newt Gingrich08!)
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To: kilowhskey; StoneWall Brigade

Ok, thanks.


17 posted on 11/23/2006 9:25:09 AM PST by Current Occupant (DBM, Libs, 5th column,PC will destroy this country. Preach it TALKIES while you still can!!!!!!)
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Enjoy your day. God Bless.


18 posted on 11/23/2006 9:25:20 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: beyond the sea

To give me a good laugh before having to face the in-laws!!!


19 posted on 11/23/2006 9:26:37 AM PST by Springman
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Happy Thanksgiving!

I wanted to check in for a bit. We are leaving around 3pm, (Yes,with the pie..bahbah)

I just watched the Macy's parade....underwhelming IMO.

The Clydesdales and the Rockettes have always been my favorites!!!

20 posted on 11/23/2006 9:27:17 AM PST by Repub4bush (FWF.....Speechless!)
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