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Fox Report: House Dems target billions of dollars in oil company tax breaks (Fix Clinton mistake?)
Fox News Corp. ^ | 11-23-06 | Jim Angle, Fox News

Posted on 11/25/2006 12:10:34 AM PST by windchime

Special Report VIDEO regarding Democrat intentions to roll back subsidies to oil companies.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bigoil; energy
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Some surprises here.
1 posted on 11/25/2006 12:10:38 AM PST by windchime
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To: windchime

Not really. Those tax breaks were incentives to drill for oil here in the US instead of importing it. It's a lot cheaper to simply buy oil overseas and add a markup than to actually go out and drill for it.


2 posted on 11/25/2006 12:13:41 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

It's a lot cheaper...and less risky!

I'll take my $100 check with pleasure.


3 posted on 11/25/2006 12:30:19 AM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: endthematrix

We are willing to do the homework,but if some 'guru' wants to sort all this out in realworld terms, I'd be willing to hear it.

Give us the 3-sec. 'elevator pitch", then the 2-minute "drill" and finally the 5-minute "round-up" and some time for a few questions. Keep it as free of HateAmerica and HateGWB as well as "Cheney,Haliburton and the OilBarons" and "ShapeChangers FromOuterSpace" as possible and we'd be much obliged.


4 posted on 11/25/2006 12:44:18 AM PST by CBart95
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To: ozzymandus
'Six in '06' was the basis for the dem campaign.   'Big oil' was one of the six big targets, but Pelosi still hasn't decided which of the subsidies should be eliminated.

Some of the incentives provided for additions to refining capacity and for clean up in the event of spills.   Some were provided under the 'American Jobs Creation Act'.   Most of the energy tax breaks from the '2005 Energy Policy Act' went to nuclear, clean coal, wind, ethanol  and other alternative energy sources instead of oil and gas.

The Clinton administration mistake that failed to include a trigger to eliminate tax breaks for Gulf of Mexico drilling if oil prices rose could provide the biggest savings.   

 

5 posted on 11/25/2006 1:56:12 AM PST by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT.)
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To: ozzymandus
It's amazing how this nation creates such barriers to corporations who want to develop such required resources internally. Between NIMBY and the Federal Government, the restrictions on free enterprise are stifling. No wonder we are forced to import rather than develop these resources domestically.
6 posted on 11/25/2006 2:50:36 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob
Very true.

The oil companies already pay about double the amount of what they earn in profit--in total taxes.

Yes, it is much, MUCH BETTER to send EVEN MORE billions to the 'nut case' Arab countries in the Middle East--than to drill for the oil here. (s/off) (rolling eyes)

7 posted on 11/25/2006 3:17:02 AM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: ozzymandus
OK, so they're ending the subsidy to drill for oil here, which they don't allow the oil companies to do anyway. And its cheaper to get oil from overseas. So this is a relatively meaningless subsidy if I understand it correctly. But they're gonna cut and run which has the potential to surrender a lot of the world's "cheaper" oil supply to the terrorist filth who hate us. And the filth are not going to squeeze us by raising oil prices-just kill us all in our own beds? But if the filth do raise oil prices, our choices are to pay the price, or perhaps grind our economy to a halt, or grind our economy to a halt if we do pay the price.

I guess I will be able to take some solace in all of this while I'm rubbing my democrat acquaintence's noses in s#it when they can't afford $6.00 or so for a gallon gas. "Hey, you guys are in charge, how come we're paying so much for gas now?"

8 posted on 11/25/2006 3:18:20 AM PST by RushLake (I neutered my dog; now he's a liberal.)
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To: windchime

Who do the dimwits think are going to pay these add on taxes? "Higher prices, higher taxes, and more terror attacks." This will be the defeatocratic battle cry in 08.


9 posted on 11/25/2006 3:28:02 AM PST by John D
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To: windchime

So does the Fed Govt cut them a check to do this? Allowing someone to keep their own money rather then send it to the Govt is NOT a subsidy. A subsidy is when the Feds gives money from the Treasury TO a company. For example, we subsidies multi millionaire who happen to own farms. We actually give them money from the Fed Treasury. Allowing Oil Companies to not be taxes as much as they might be is NOT a "Subsidy"


10 posted on 11/25/2006 3:37:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: RushLake

So does the Fed Govt cut them a check to do this? Allowing someone to keep their own money rather then send it to the Govt is NOT a subsidy. A subsidy is when the Feds gives money from the Treasury TO a company. For example, we subsidies multi millionaire who happen to own farms. We actually give them money from the Fed Treasury. Allowing Oil Companies to not be taxes as much as they might be is NOT a "Subsidy"


11 posted on 11/25/2006 3:38:15 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: John D

They don't have a single proposal that will help consumers at the pump. They just want to increase government revenue.


12 posted on 11/25/2006 6:22:08 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: stockstrader
The oil companies already pay about double the amount of what they earn in profit--in total taxes.

Nope. Corporations do not pay tax, they collect tax. All corporate taxes are passed on to customer and all taxes are ultimately paid by the end consumer. That'd be you and me. This notion of so-called "corporate taxes" is yet another ponzi scheme perpetrated by the Leftists to pit one group of people against another in order to make the group they wish to demonize to "pay their fair share". It's very similar to the class warfare they constantly employ. If taxes are increased or "tax incentives" are removed, it will be reflected in the price of the product and will be paid by the end consumer.

13 posted on 11/25/2006 6:34:27 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Tennessee - The last Conservative rock sticking above a deep blue sea....)
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To: windchime

Let the Market decide! It's none of Government's business.


14 posted on 11/25/2006 9:40:15 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: MNJohnnie
"Allowing someone to keep their own money rather then send it to the Govt is NOT a subsidy."

I didn't think so, either, but the dems use the terms subsidy and tax break interchangeably in this report.  They're playing Merriam-Webster to present an issue as they want it viewed.

Subsidy was a term used by Pelosi, Chris Van Hollen (D) Maryland and the reporter.

 

15 posted on 11/25/2006 10:05:13 AM PST by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT.)
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To: stockstrader; All
"Yes, it is much, MUCH BETTER to send EVEN MORE billions to the 'nut case' Arab countries in the Middle East--than to drill for the oil here. (s/off) (rolling eyes)"

 

Too many here are making sensible observations.  ;)   The following statement makes no sense at all.

Pelosi says the following in the same breath:

"Moving toward energy independence by repealing subsidies for "big oil."

 



16 posted on 11/25/2006 10:28:39 AM PST by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT.)
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To: RushLake

"And the filth are not going to squeeze us by raising oil prices-just kill us all in our own beds? But if the filth do raise oil prices, our choices are to pay the price, or perhaps grind our economy to a halt, or grind our economy to a halt if we do pay the price. "

There is a solution to all of this.

Tomorrow, go in front of the UN and declare that unless Iran terminates its nuclear ambitions in the next 30 days, they will become a non oil producing country on day 31.

Scare the crap out of the Europeans and the Chinese. Then for the next 30 days float a drilling bill in Congress and make the RATS say NO over and over.

On day 31, take out Irans capacity to produce oil. I will gladly pay the extra buck or two to know that we are a bit safer and it will force the world to look at energy alternatives.


17 posted on 11/25/2006 10:29:05 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I thank the RNC for freeing me to vote my values rather then political party. It is liberating!)
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To: windchime

I hate to agree with Pelosi and company, but I believe that the term subsidy is correct. The break stems from the fact that the oil companies are allowed to drill on federal lands. They pay royalties for drilling rights. Clinton (Yes, this was a Clinton program) tried to encourage oil companies to continue drilling for oil here in the US, back when oil prices were very low, and drilling in the US wasn't as profitable as obtaining oil overseas. The royalty payments were decreased or eliminated on a certain amount of oil. (not sure which) Now that the price of oil makes it profitable to drill in the US, the dems want to eliminate the royalty break or subsidies. I don't believe it has anything to do with taxes, which I know the oil companies still pay plenty of.

I don't know enough about oil economics to know how this all plays out, but to me it seems like changing the royalty structure now, after the companies have committed to drilling costs and resources is unjustified. Its like luring people to a community with very low tax rates, and then, once they have all moved in, raising them higher than the other communities in the area.


18 posted on 11/25/2006 1:47:33 PM PST by ga medic
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I'm going to see if they'll post this over at the petroleum club. That will probably cause a little panic...
19 posted on 11/25/2006 1:54:19 PM PST by Overseez
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To: windchime

Note to economically illiterate Dems:

OIL COMPANIES DON'T PAY TAXES!
THE CONSUMERS DO!

All the Dems can do with this stupid policy is disincentivize companies from risking capital to explore for oil.


20 posted on 11/25/2006 1:57:28 PM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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