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USAF Does The Unthinkable
Strategy Page ^ | 11/28/06

Posted on 11/28/2006 6:12:37 AM PST by pabianice

November 28, 2006: The U.S. Air Force is doing something really unusual, they are cutting back on the amenities that have long served to attract, and keep, the kind of skilled people they needed. It is feared that this move will have a serious negative effect on morale. However, the air force brass see this as the only alternative to something far worse; not enough new aircraft. Faced with huge costs for their new F-22 and F-35 warplanes, a Congress reluctant to be generous, and a war in Iraq and Afghanistan that is being largely fought by the army, the air force sees itself seriously short of cash in the next decade. The war in Iraq is taking money from the air force and diverting it to the army. Already underway is a downsizing that will eliminate 40,000 air force jobs over the next five years. But that will only save about $5 billion a year.

Cutting amenities is not something the air force even likes to talk about, but something official has to be said to explain the large number of fairly obvious changes coming. For decades, the air force has been the butt of jokes, for their more luxurious lifestyle, by sailors, soldiers and marines. Part of it was jealousy, and admiration for how the air force generals managed to get money for all those goodies out of Congress. Making fun of all those golf courses on air force bases was a particular favorite. Going into detail about the cutbacks would, simultaneously, make it known how extensive the amenities are, and elicit some bad publicity once people from the other services chimed in with snarky comments about how much better off the air force people are even after the cuts.

But the air force does have a real problem here, with the morale of their own troops. The 40,000 jobs being lost is causing some anxiety, as does the increased number of air force personnel being sent overseas to support operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. There are actually several thousand air force support troops, on the ground in Iraq, helping the army move supplies and maintain equipment. These guys and girls are actually in greater danger than the pilots flying the bombers overhead, but that's another story. Meanwhile, a lot of the cutbacks will come from consolidating functions (fewer gyms and dining halls on some bases), as well as cutting back hours and services at other facilities (libraries, rec centers and golf courses.) There might even be a few golf courses closed...


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When we Navy types landed at a USAF base we couldn't believe how well they lived. On one flight we had a windshield crack and had to make an emergency landing at Wright Patterson AFB to wait for a new windshield. We were given two brand new AF vans and put in quarters like a Sheraton hotel, private rooms with A/C, color cable TV, and wet bars. A week later we landed at NAS Bermuda. There was no ground transportation so we had to ride in the back of a base garbage truck to and from quarters. Quarters were a 40 year old barracks. There was no food because we had landed after midnight. The contrast was stark.
1 posted on 11/28/2006 6:12:37 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Congressional Bone-Heads.


2 posted on 11/28/2006 6:14:37 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: pabianice

My daughter is currently at USAFA......

The facilities there are incredible......

However, Annapolis is not that far behind....

West Point...well nobody likes them anyway :^)


3 posted on 11/28/2006 6:16:23 AM PST by nevergore (?It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.?)
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To: pabianice

You kow what the difference between an Air Force pilot and a Naval Avaiator is?
Air Force pilots squat when they pee.

:p

(Sorry, former Royal Navy, couldn't resist)


4 posted on 11/28/2006 6:17:53 AM PST by BritExPatInFla
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To: pabianice

As the youngest service it only makes sense that the base would be newer. Heck the Navy's been around since when? JP Jones?


5 posted on 11/28/2006 6:18:21 AM PST by rhombus
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To: pabianice
When we Navy types landed at a USAF base we couldn't believe how well they lived.

When I was in (a lifetime ago), we Army types had the same experience when we spent overnight at a Texas USAF base.

6 posted on 11/28/2006 6:18:57 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: pabianice

Isn't Wright Patterson the center of the Air Force? While Bermuda is a nice location, it's probably just another stop the to Navy.


7 posted on 11/28/2006 6:20:30 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: pabianice

Us Army guys would visit the Air Force base in Tuy Hoa, Vietnam just to have a chance to use a flush toliet!


8 posted on 11/28/2006 6:21:09 AM PST by KeyLargo
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A lot of the AF Morale, Welfare, and Recreation facilities are self sustaining. They make enough money through fees to pay for themselves.

I've been assigned to Army, Navy, and Marine facilities and can vouch for the fact that the AF treated their people the best. I don't know if I would have stayed in beyond my first enlistment if I had to live like the other services.

9 posted on 11/28/2006 6:22:08 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: nevergore
Cross-Academy exchanges are quite common at the service academies. Mids coming back to Boat School from Zoomie U would tell us tales of how cushy the zoomy cadets had it: carpeted rooms, air conditioning, "plebe semester," etc.

West Point? Those sissies are about to get humiliated on Saturday.

10 posted on 11/28/2006 6:23:55 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: KeyLargo

In Gulf War I I spent most of my time making the great triangle run in an Army five-ton, from Dammam to Riyadh to KKMC. My supply guys had every Air Force chow hall in the area scoped - we always tried to time our trips to hit them at lunchtime.

They had soft-serve ice cream! Us Army types were on MRE's.


11 posted on 11/28/2006 6:24:21 AM PST by WardMClark (Semi-Notorious Political Gadfly)
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To: pettifogger

Ping to sis


12 posted on 11/28/2006 6:25:22 AM PST by f zero
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To: pabianice
When we Navy types landed at a USAF base we couldn't believe how well they lived.

In 1952, a couple of us (Army PFCs) traveling cross country on TDY in an Air Force B-25, landed at Memphis NAS in a hammering rainstorm. My first impression of Navy ways was seeing the two tiny coffee urns in Ops, labeled "officers" and "crew". Then we were put up for the night in a transient barracks. Next morning, we two lowly grunts could not dine with the Air Force crew chief from the B-25, who had to join the Chiefs and Waves on the other side of the mess hall. Our unforgettable Navy treat: Beans for breakfast!

13 posted on 11/28/2006 6:26:02 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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Better to build nicer facilities, stock them with the latest video games, and tell the troops to practice, practice, practice. Meanwhile. build more Global Hawks ... and the next gen, and the one after that. Worried about the impact on the aircraft industry, needing far fewer employees to build pilotless vehicles? Airbus has a 2,000+ plane backlog.

Imagine if those same generals ran the LA Times ... they would be ordering new printing presses right about now.

14 posted on 11/28/2006 6:26:54 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Prayers for our patriot brother, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub. Brian, we're all pulling for you!)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I'm former Naval Aviator.....

My daughter is Air Force (BTW she was considering a cross commission to USN)

Army is going to get it's "Ass" kicked Saturday......


15 posted on 11/28/2006 6:27:24 AM PST by nevergore (?It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.?)
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To: pabianice

There appears to be no doubt that the strategic needs of our military requires a cutback in the Air Force. We are more likely to need tactical forces available only in the Navy, Army and Marines to fight the fights ahead of us.

Could this be one of the reasons Rumsfeld is hated by some?


16 posted on 11/28/2006 6:27:32 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: pabianice
When we Navy types landed at a USAF base we couldn't believe how well they lived.

LOL.

I joined the AF in 1962 and it was that way then.

"We" lived large, compared to our brothers in the other services.

Of course there was a trade-off.

While the Army and Navy promoted their personnel (and here I'm referring to enlisted, although it may apply to Officers as well) rapidly--especially with the "Specialists" grades, the Air Force ALWAYS lagged behind in that respect.

While it took on the average of 3 1/2 - 4 years (at that time) to achieve Staff Sergeant (E-5) in the Air Force, it was NOT unusual to see Specialist 5's in the Army with only 2 1/2 - 3 years in service.

Therefore, our "perks" of nice mess halls with good chow; barracks with 2-men rooms; and other amenities not enjoyed by the Army or Navy (and I wouldn't even dare address the poor Marines) were ways the Air Force attracted and retained "quality" personnel.

I don't know if the situation has changed over the past 35 years or so since I got out (1970) regarding promotions, but if not, then it would be a big mistake for the Air Force to be considering cutting back on the one "advantage" they enjoyed over the other branches, UNLESS, they begin making up for those losses with equal time and grade promotions much the same as the Army and Navy.

17 posted on 11/28/2006 6:29:06 AM PST by Traditional Vet
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To: Mike Bates
"When I was in (a lifetime ago), we Army types had the same experience when we spent overnight at a Texas USAF base."


When I was in Germany, our Air Force unit's barracks faced an Army barracks.

We usually stayed drunk all weekend and occasionally we'd open the windows and harass the Army grunts who were spending their Saturday morning having a GI party.

Our rooms were only inspected occasionally, and at one point, we all put our money together and had a maid for the barracks.

We only had to pull CQ for one brief period during my two years there.
18 posted on 11/28/2006 6:29:17 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: pabianice

Our Marine enlisted in the Air National Guard after serving nine years. He is now in Texas training as a medic. It's a big culture shock. After his first day on base he called home and said "I ate at the chow hall, you won't believe this but the bused my table!". He still can't believe the difference in quarters.


19 posted on 11/28/2006 6:29:44 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: BritExPatInFla
Air Force pilots squat when they pee.

Hey, hey, hey, comon now. Let us give Air force pilots their due. When confronted with the prospect of what the Navy pilots do routinely, landing their aircraft on the equivalent of a postage stamp in the middle of the ocean while it is pitching violently at night, they will wet themselves but they are not actually squatting.

20 posted on 11/28/2006 6:31:28 AM PST by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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