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Revisiting (and Reliving) 1938
American Thinker ^ | November 28, 2006 | Rick Richman

Posted on 11/30/2006 6:35:17 PM PST by TheeOhioInfidel

“It is 1938; Iran is Germany; and it is racing to acquire nuclear weapons.” Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly punctuated his speech in Los Angeles earlier this month with that sentence. It was an effective rhetorical device, conveying both a sense of threat and a sense of urgency.

But 1938 may be relevant in more ways than as a rhetorical device. Revisiting that year, through Winston Churchill’s compelling account in “The Gathering Storm,” is an instructive exercise, and one the Iraq Study Group might consider as it completes its deliberations.

February 20, 1938: Churchill spent the entire night without sleep, “consumed by emotions of sorrow and fear” -- the only time he went sleepless even after he became Prime Minister. He had received a call late that evening informing him that Anthony Eden had resigned as Foreign Secretary.

Eden, who shared Churchill’s views about Germany and Italy, had found himself almost isolated in the Cabinet, opposed by the Chiefs of Staff who “enjoined caution and dwelt upon the dangers of the situation.” Churchill was despondent over the resignation: I must confess that my heart sank, and for a while the ark waters of despair overwhelmed me. . . . I watched the daylight slowly creep in through the windows, and saw before me in mental gaze the vision of Death. A precipitating factor in Eden’s resignation had been Neville Chamberlain’s decision to enter into direct negotiations with Italy. Chamberlain’s position was that:

His Majesty’s Government would be prepared . . . to recognize de jure the Italian occupation of Abyssinia, if they found that the Italian Government on their side were ready to give evidence of their desire to contribute to the restoration of confidence and friendly relations. For Churchill, it was evidence that “in the dawn of 1938 decisive changes in European groupings and values had taken place.” The Western democracies had “seemed to give repeated proofs that they would bow to violence so long as they were not themselves directly assailed.” That same day, Germany had begun to raise the issue of Czechoslovakia, and “the usual techniques were employed” -- the de-legitimization of the target through the rhetoric of grievances, combined with the knowledge that the West lacked both the will (“owing to their love of peace”) and the means (due to their failure to rearm) to protect its broader interests:

The grievances, which were not unreal, of the Sudeten Germans were magnified and exploited. The public case was opened against Czechoslovakia by Hitler in his speech to the Reichstag on February 20, 1938. . . . It was the duty of Germany [said Hitler] to protect those fellow-Germans and secure to them “general freedom, personal, political and ideological.” August 27, 1938: Tensions over Czechoslovakia increased over the summer. Churchill told his constituents he knew it was difficult to realize “the ferocious passions which are rife in Europe.” But he warned them that “the whole state of Europe and of the world is moving steadily towards a climax which cannot be long delayed:”

Certainly it looks as if the Government of Czechoslovakia were doing their utmost to put their house in order, and to meet every demand which is not designed to compass their ruin as a State. . . . But larger and fiercer ambitions may prevent a settlement, and then Europe and the civilized world will have to face the demands of Nazi Germany…. Churchill told his constituents that a German invasion and subjugation of Czechoslovakia would “not be simply an attack upon Czechoslovakia; it would be an outrage against the civilization and freedom of the whole world.” September 13, 1938: Chamberlain telegraphed Hitler, proposing to come see him. Hitler responded the next day, inviting him to come. The willingness of Chamberlain to meet with Hitler had an immediate demoralizing effect upon the Czechs:

When the news reached Prague the Czech leaders could not believe it was true. They were astonished . . . the British Prime Minister should himself pay a direct visit to Hitler . . . . [E]ven Lord Runciman realized that the last thing the Germans wanted was a satisfactory bargain between the Sudeten leaders and the Czech Government. Chamberlain concluded from his meeting with Hitler that only by yielding Sudeten lands to Germany would Hitler refrain from invading Czechoslovakia. Chamberlain’s ministers supported the cession of part of Czechoslovakia, “finding consolation” (in Churchill’s words) in the use of phrases such as “the rights of self determination” for the Germans living there.

September 19, 1938: England and France presented their “decision” to the Czechs, informing them that the areas where German inhabitants were a majority should immediately be ceded to Germany. The British-French diplomatic note fairly dripped with the cynical subjugation of Czechoslovakia’s rights to the perceived interest of European “security:”

“Both the French and British Governments recognize how great is the sacrifice thus required of Czechoslovakia. They have felt it their duty jointly to set forth frankly the conditions essential to security.” September 21, 1938: Churchill issued a statement to the press in response to the proposed partition of Czechoslovakia, calling it the “complete surrender of the Western Democracies to the Nazi threat of force” and warning it would have larger consequences:

It is not Czechoslovakia alone which is menaced, but also the freedom and the democracy of all nations. The belief that security can be obtained by throwing a small State to the wolves is a fatal delusion. September 22, 1938: Chamberlain flew to his second meeting with Hitler, at Godesberg, Germany. He carried with him, “as a basis for final discussion,” the details of the Angle-French proposals regarding Czechoslovakia, which Czechoslovakia had been pressured to accept. To Chamberlain’s surprise, Hitler presented even more demands. As Chamberlain reported to the House of Commons on his return:

I do not want the House to think that [Hitler] was deliberately deceiving me – I do not think so for one moment – but, for me, I expected that when I got back to Godesberg I had only to discuss quietly with him the proposals that I had brought with me; and it was a profound shock . . . that these proposals were not acceptable, and that they were to be replaced by other proposals of a kind which I had not contemplated at all. September 23, 1938: Chamberlain met again with Hitler at 10:30 p.m., in a meeting that lasted into the small hours of the morning. Chamberlain was relieved to receive Hitler’s assurance that his new demands would be his last:

Hitler repeated to me with great earnestness . . . that this was the last of his territorial ambitions in Europe . . . [H]e said, again very earnestly, that he wanted to be friends with England, and that if only this Sudeten question could be got out of the way in peace, he would gladly resume conversations….” September 28, 1938: The terms Hitler laid out at Godesberg were initially rejected, and a crisis atmosphere resumed. But Hitler sent a new letter that Chamberlain thought offered hope of a peaceful resolution, and Chamberlain wrote back on September 28 that he was ready to come to Berlin for a third meeting. Hitler proposed a meeting at Munich on the following day, between England, France, Germany and Italy. The Czechs were excluded.

September 29, 1938: The Munich meeting started at noon and lasted until 2 a.m. the next morning, at which time a memorandum was signed that was, Churchill wrote, “in essentials the acceptance of the Godesberg ultimatum.” But the Czechoslovakia issue had been resolved.

Chamberlain returned to England and was welcomed at the airport by a crowd of notables, to whom he read a statement Hitler had signed attesting to “the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.” Chamberlain left the airport and drove back through cheering crowds. In the car, he said to his new Foreign Secretary that it was “peace for our time.”

In the debate that followed in the House of Commons, Churchill opposed the Munich agreement. “We have sustained,” he said, “a total and unmitigated defeat.” The House erupted into a storm of protest against Churchill, interrupting his speech. But he went on to warn that the country should “not suppose that this is the end.” It was “only the beginning of the reckoning . . . the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year….”

The House approved Chamberlain’s actions by a vote of 366-114. A year later, after Hitler marched on Poland, the Second World War began, with Germany in a much stronger military position than it had been in 1938. The rest is history....

* * *

Flash forward to 2006. Israel is in the sixth year of a barbaric war against its civilians, featuring mass-murder suicide bombers and rockets intentionally rained on civilian areas -- after Israel attempted in 2000 to “meet every demand which was not designed to compass their ruin as a State.”

In 2006, Israel is subject to a continual drumbeat of de-legitimizing rhetoric that dwarfs what fell upon Czechoslovakia. The rhetoric includes charges of “apartheid,” accusations its formation was an historic “mistake,” and descriptions of its existence as an “anachronism.” Iran says Israel should be “wiped off the map,” and its threat against another U.N. member goes un-remarked upon at the U.N.

At the same time, barbaric attacks on civilians, with the obvious assistance of Iran and Syria, are effectively used to stifle the creation of a democratic government in Iraq after it was freed in a three-week war from one of the most brutal dictators of the age. In Lebanon, an Iranian proxy controls the southern part of the country and the democratic government is subjected to threats from the proxy and the continual assassination of political leaders adverse to Syrian control, with the principal suspects being the highest level of the Syrian government.

On September 20, the Council on Foreign Relations, the American foreign policy establishment, holds a meeting with the President of Iran. After the session, the Council’s “realist” president writes an op-ed in the Los Angeles Times, informing readers he had learned three things of “considerable interest” at the meeting: Ahmadinejad said that Iran was open to cooperating to stabilize Iraq; that Iran believed it had a right to enrich uranium but that, for religious reasons, it was prohibited from having nuclear weapons; and that Iran is open to relations with the United States if Washington is prepared to take the initiative.

Like Israel’s leader, who pronounced himself “tired” of war in 2005 and then ineptly managed one in 2006, the United States begins to show distinct signs of being tired itself. The electorate turns Congress over to a party whose plan for Iraq is to withdraw to somewhere “over the horizon” and let the Iraqis sort things out for themselves.

The Secretary of Defense, one of the chief architects of the Iraq liberation and war, is forced to resign. The administration then awaits the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, widely expected to favor the negotiation of a “grand bargain” with Iran and Syria, with or without a “final push” in Iraq.

It is in the nature of “grand bargains” that something of considerable value would have to be given to Iran. What could that be? Stanley Kurtz predicted last week at National Review Online that “Iran will be offered security guarantees, a huge investment bonanza, a fair amount of regional influence, and general integration into the world community.”

But that would not seem to be enough. Iran undoubtedly views its nuclear program as a better “security guarantee” than the word of the United States. That nuclear program will itself also provide Iran with a fair amount of “regional influence” -- and beyond. Iran will have a “huge investment bonanza” as long as the world needs oil (and as long as Russia, China and France are around); no agreement with the United States is necessary for that purpose. Finally, a regime that rejects a “corrupt” West and wants to replace the existing world order with a caliphate may not view “general integration into the world community” as a very significant goal. A “grand bargain” may thus require much more.

In historical terms, it seems clear that Iran and Syria are the Germany and Italy of 2006 -- a totalitarian regime with global ambitions, with a fascist ally, already fighting proxy wars comparable to the Spanish Civil War. But Iran has learned something from history, since, as Netanyahu noted in his speech, it appears to want to avoid the mistake Germany made of going to a broader war before it has a nuclear weapon.

In the impending repetition of the history that Churchill wrote down to warn future generations, it is not yet clear who will be asked to play the role of Czechoslovakia. It might be Israel, or Lebanon, or Iraq -- or perhaps all three. But “grand bargains” are rarely the end of the story. Churchill’s history of the Second World War extended for five more volumes after the one discussing Czechoslovakia.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1938; glennbeck; proliferation; reliving; revisiting

1 posted on 11/30/2006 6:35:20 PM PST by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: OhioInfidel

GLenn Beck broke it down again tonight, comparing Mahmoud the Insanian to Hitler in his appeals to the West.


2 posted on 11/30/2006 6:36:50 PM PST by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo

The Gathering Storm


4 posted on 11/30/2006 6:48:54 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: OhioInfidel

I find it interesting, when you can take a current article from the MSM, and replace the word Christian with the word Jew, and it then reads like Nazi propoganda. 1938 all over again.


5 posted on 11/30/2006 6:51:48 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: jasoncann

"I fear we are in 1941 not 1938."

Maybe more like 1944, if Iran has the bomb in a year or so.


6 posted on 11/30/2006 6:53:42 PM PST by VOA
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To: OhioInfidel
A dictatorship has a unified view of purpose and a direction that is lost upon a democracy sated with a love of peace and fearful of the cost of shedding blood to defend itself. In 1938, the British were unprepared to pay a low price to stop Nazi Germany when it could still be defeated. It paid a much higher cost in lives after the Second World War broke out in 1939 and Britain came perilously close to defeat in 1940. The instructive difference is that unlike in the late 1930s our first mistake will probably be our last. America will not survive a second Pearl Harbor in the Nuclear Age.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

7 posted on 11/30/2006 6:54:05 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: OhioInfidel

Actually Iran and Syria combined are something like Italy was. The core of the Axis is the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. The PRC is Germany, Russia is Japan. And of course the SCO has other members. So this Axis vastly exceeds the WW2 one.


8 posted on 11/30/2006 6:59:23 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: jasoncann
The Israelis are in mortal peril, like the Jews in Europe in the '30s.

FLASHBACK: Abbas plans and finances the murder of innocent Jews
at the Munich Olympics.

Later, Abbas writes a Ph.D. thesis denying the Holocaust.
Finally, in early October 2006, Abbas refuses to recognize Israel.

Nonetheless, that very month Sec. of State Rice (10/2006) assures terrorist Abbas
that she will make his "legacy", and then sends the terrorist US taxpayer money and American weapons to him.

As his bombs, rockets, and bombers murder Israeli after Israeli,
Ms. Rice demands the Israelis die quietly, as she repeatedly demands "more restraint" of the victims.

Meanwhile, she demands NOTHING of the terrorists, as she continually enables their serial murders of innocents.

9 posted on 11/30/2006 7:00:11 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Oh and also, this new Axis just happens to have lots of oil in its own territory already.


10 posted on 11/30/2006 7:01:00 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: OhioInfidel

Imagine for a second that Iran gets fissle material to terrorists and they use it in the USA Half million dead no direct proof that Iran gave the terrorists the material.. In fact can we prove that Iran even had a relationship with this group? CIA reports that Iran was not directly affiliated with this particular group as far as it new. A mad man in Iran! Can we ever go to War again? Can we ever prove the requirement.

Bottom line the Liberals in their quest for political power have ruined any chance we have of a future retaliation against attack. This country is doomed.


11 posted on 11/30/2006 7:12:14 PM PST by tomnbeverly (Ted Kennedy used the KGB to undermine Reagan. Who used Al-Qaeda to undermine Bush?)
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To: jasoncann; melancholy
"I fear we are in 1941 not 1938."

DITTO!!

Nancee

12 posted on 11/30/2006 7:12:18 PM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: jasoncann
I fear we are in 1941 not 1938.

It's 1936. Iraq is Spain.

There will be a pause. The appeasers will come to power in the West. They will try and try.

They will fail. And China will watch and wait...and wait...and wait.

13 posted on 11/30/2006 7:13:43 PM PST by Jim Noble (To preserve the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity)
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To: jasoncann
I fear we are in 1941 not 1938.

A caller into Glen Beck's show today said it was more like September 1941

IMO .. the caller was right

14 posted on 11/30/2006 7:20:11 PM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: Nancee

Churchill - The Wilderness Years - 1929 1939
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nMPnkpRClc


15 posted on 11/30/2006 7:26:07 PM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: goldstategop

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

I just had to post that again. It gives me perspective.

http://www.answering-islam.org.uk/Authors/JR/Future/ch16_understanding_dishonesty.htm

In reference to Adolph Ahmadinejad's letter.

"When someone first becomes curious and wishes to begin learning about Islam, it is imperative that they first understand the degree to which lying is not only permitted, but actually fostered and even, at times, commanded in Islam. When a Christian wishes to teach others about Christianity, it is simply understood that honesty will be an essential aspect of that sharing. In Islam however, most westerners have a hard time relating to the fact that purposeful exaggerations, covering of the truth and occasionally – outright-deliberate lying is a core part of the religion of Islam. There are actually specific doctrines and traditions that foster a culture of dishonesty within Islam."

---Joel Richardson





16 posted on 11/30/2006 7:27:43 PM PST by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: Mo1
Thanks for the link, "Mo1"!!

"But he warned them that 'the whole state of Europe and of the world is moving steadily towards a climax which cannot be long delayed:'"

Is this not precisely where we are now???

Nancee

17 posted on 11/30/2006 7:29:39 PM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: potlatch

18 posted on 11/30/2006 7:31:11 PM PST by devolve ( .................always shop, invest, & hire wisely)
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To: OhioInfidel

This is the most important issue of our time. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of the American people don't know what happened in 1938. And most of those don't care. I guess we have the responsiblity of sounding the alarm bells.


19 posted on 11/30/2006 7:32:27 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Diogenesis

This part of the article bears repeating.

"Flash forward to 2006. Israel is in the sixth year of a barbaric war against its civilians, featuring mass-murder suicide bombers and rockets intentionally rained on civilian areas — after Israel attempted in 2000 to “meet every demand which was not designed to compass their ruin as a State.”
In 2006, Israel is subject to a continual drumbeat of de-legitimizing rhetoric that dwarfs what fell upon Czechoslovakia. The rhetoric includes charges of “apartheid,” accusations its formation was an historic “mistake,” and descriptions of its existence as an “anachronism.” Iran says Israel should be “wiped off the map,” and its threat against another U.N. member goes un-remarked upon at the U.N.
At the same time, barbaric attacks on civilians, with the obvious assistance of Iran and Syria, are effectively used to stifle the creation of a democratic government in Iraq after it was freed in a three-week war from one of the most brutal dictators of the age. In Lebanon, an Iranian proxy controls the southern part of the country and the democratic government is subjected to threats from the proxy and the continual assassination of political leaders adverse to Syrian control, with the principal suspects being the highest level of the Syrian government."


20 posted on 11/30/2006 7:32:55 PM PST by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: Nancee
Is this not precisely where we are now???

Sure looks that way .. and I fear we are about to repeat history again

Like Churchill .. no one in listening to President Bush

21 posted on 11/30/2006 7:34:01 PM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: devolve

It's not changing, hope my computer isn't going bonkers.


22 posted on 11/30/2006 7:35:34 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: popdonnelly

"This is the most important issue of our time. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of the American people don't know what happened in 1938. And most of those don't care. I guess we have the responsiblity of sounding the alarm bells."

When I first heard Glenn Beck on the radio, I disagreed with him alot. But now he seems to be the only one sounding the wake up call for the perils of these times. He was dead on the mark tonight on CNN about the parallels between Mahmoud's letter and Hitler's appeals to Chamberlain. I kept thinking, how does CNN allow this guy to stay on the air? And then I realized that many Americans have woken up and are watching Glenn Beck. His ratings keep improving so CNN can't yank him. God bless this man for having a National venue for airing the reality of these times.


23 posted on 11/30/2006 7:38:48 PM PST by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: potlatch


It's a 3(IMG)-2(TP)

Working for me now




24 posted on 11/30/2006 7:39:37 PM PST by devolve ( .................always shop, invest, & hire wisely)
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To: Mo1
Indeed we are about to repeat history. In fact, we are already repeating history:

"That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done, So, there is nothing new under the sun." (Eccliesiastes 1:9)

"In the debate that followed in the House of Commons, Churchill opposed the Munich agreement. 'We have sustained,' he said, 'a total and unmitigated defeat.'....But he went on to warn that the country should 'not suppose that this is the end.' It was 'only the beginning of the reckoning...the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year..."

Indeed, no one is listening to our President.

Nancee

25 posted on 11/30/2006 7:46:26 PM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: popdonnelly
Pogromnacht, November 1938

Map showing the synagogues destroyed:


26 posted on 11/30/2006 8:02:28 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
Map is probably incomplete. They burnt the synagogue in Breisach but its not on the map:


27 posted on 11/30/2006 8:09:38 PM PST by cornelis
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To: OhioInfidel
God bless this man for having a National venue for airing the reality of these times.

Indeed. I am grateful that Glenn has the courage to speak about all of this.

28 posted on 11/30/2006 8:30:12 PM PST by good old days
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To: potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; OhioInfidel; Diogenesis; bitt; Grampa Dave

And. . .incredibly. . .Robert Gates is Bush's SecDef-designate.

The Bush "New Tone" which famously fell flat faced with the deep-core evil of Democrats in DC, will now lead our Commander in Chief and his SecState into making concessions to and agreements with the neohitlerian Aloud Jihadinutjob.

The Gathering Storm: a Katrinafemaflustercluck.

29 posted on 11/30/2006 8:43:48 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve; ntnychik
Good post Phil.


30 posted on 11/30/2006 8:56:33 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Diogenesis
Nonetheless, that very month Sec. of State Rice (10/2006) assures terrorist Abbas that she will make his "legacy", and then sends the terrorist US taxpayer money and American weapons to him.

This is how a "conservative" Republican administration rewards terrorists. Just imagine what a pro-Islamist "progressive" Democrat administration will do.

31 posted on 11/30/2006 9:17:52 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: OhioInfidel

Glenn Beck will be on Conan O'Brien's show tonight.


32 posted on 11/30/2006 9:29:17 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: PhilDragoo; potlatch

Good posts, you two!


33 posted on 11/30/2006 9:32:27 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: PhilDragoo; potlatch

Good posts, you two!


34 posted on 11/30/2006 9:32:45 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: OhioInfidel

Given American pressure on Israel to cede land, I think it is Israel that is being partitioned and sacrificed.


35 posted on 11/30/2006 9:33:53 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: ntnychik; devolve

Lol, shall I say thank you twice?


36 posted on 11/30/2006 9:34:43 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: PhilDragoo


Good post Phil


37 posted on 11/30/2006 9:57:04 PM PST by devolve ( .................always shop, invest, & hire wisely)
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To: potlatch


Good post potlatch


38 posted on 11/30/2006 9:58:03 PM PST by devolve ( .................always shop, invest, & hire wisely)
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To: devolve

Thank you devolve.


39 posted on 11/30/2006 10:00:41 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: jasoncann; potlatch; Salem; FARS; Valin; humint; M Kehoe
"...I fear we are in 1941 not 1938..."

"...The Gathering Storm..."

Well, It IS December 31, 1938, and the Storm couldn't be more apparent. The worlds' advantage this time around is that the sound and film records of the appeasement of 1938 are so vividly available worldwide, and impossible to ignore. The same holds true for the records of the ensuing brutal war!

As I see it, the world outside of islam and communism must act soon, and with such an Enormous Amount of Violence and Ferocity upon Iran, Syria, North Korea, Hizbollah, and Hamas, that these entities decide to forever forego their evil ways, and join with the progress of Civilization!

It's a tall order, but it can and must be done!

Some related links follow:

Maps of certain areas starting at post # 9

Canada , our Ally

Interesting perspectives...

-My opinions, FWIW, are that we went into Afghanistan to kill bin-laden, and he's now buried under about 500 tons of rock!
-Mushareff was given a choice of living or dying, and he chose to live!
-We went into Iraq to destroy all their WMD capabilities, and to secure a Base of Operations that separated Iran and Syria! Of course, that meant defeating Saddam, and we did!
-Before we could do anything about Libya, Kaddafi threw-in the towel!

We, and our allies, are in the right place at the right time now, and we have to finish the job. Oh, and there are four Battle Groups in the Arabian Sea.

Now, count the mosques in your neighbourhoods, record their locations, then stay well armed and safe!................FRegards

40 posted on 12/01/2006 12:14:40 AM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: OhioInfidel

http://www.acwitness.org/psalm83english.html

Psalm 83
1 A song; a psalm of Asaph.
2 God, do not be silent; God, be not still and unmoved!
3 See how your enemies rage; your foes proudly raise their heads.
4 They conspire against your people, plot against those you protect.
5 They say, "Come, let us wipe out their nation; let Israel's name be mentioned no more!"
6 They scheme with one mind, in league against you:
7 The tents of Ishmael and Edom, the people of Moab and Hagar,
8 Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek, Philistia and the inhabitants of Tyre.
9 Assyria, too, in league with them gives aid to the descendants of Lot. Selah
10 Deal with them as with Midian; as with Sisera and Jabin at the torrent Kishon,
11 Those destroyed at Endor, who became dung for the ground.
12 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,
13 Who made a plan together, "Let us seize the pastures of God."
14 My God, turn them into withered grass, into chaff flying before the wind.
15 As a fire raging through a forest, a flame setting mountains ablaze,
16 Pursue them with your tempest; terrify them with your storm.
17 Cover their faces with shame, till they pay you homage, LORD.
18 Let them be dismayed and shamed forever; let them perish in disgrace.
19 Show them you alone are the LORD, the Most High over all the earth.


Zechariah 14 (12-13)

12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD shall strike all the nations that have fought against Jerusalem: their flesh shall rot while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall rot in their sockets, and their tongues shall rot in their mouths.
13 On that day there shall be among them a great tumult from the LORD: every man shall seize the hand of his neighbor, and the hand of each shall be raised against that of his neighbor.




41 posted on 12/01/2006 3:05:34 AM PST by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: Wilhelm Tell

Nonetheless, that very month Sec. of State Rice (10/2006) assures terrorist Abbas that she will make his "legacy", and then sends the terrorist US taxpayer money and American weapons to him.


"This is how a "conservative" Republican administration rewards terrorists. Just imagine what a pro-Islamist "progressive" Democrat administration will do."

Ain't that the truth!


42 posted on 12/01/2006 3:12:51 AM PST by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: PhilDragoo

Thanks for posting your reminders of the real evil today and then.

I still can't believe how many peace loving democrats during the 2004 elections when they had a glass of wine or two would rip GW and then go into a hate the Jews/Blame Israel and the Jews for the Iraq and Middle East Problem. According to them if there was no Israel, there would be no problem.

Most of them are like Hilliarily when it comes their true feelings about real Jews here and in Israel.


43 posted on 12/01/2006 7:41:58 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The Bush haters on both sides have elected the government they have dreamed of!)
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To: potlatch
Excellent. This is one of your best of your many great gif works.


44 posted on 12/01/2006 7:44:53 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The Bush haters on both sides have elected the government they have dreamed of!)
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To: helives; melsec

gotta read this.


45 posted on 12/01/2006 12:34:19 PM PST by mitch5501 (typical)
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To: devolve; Grampa Dave

Thanks Dave, glad you like it.


46 posted on 12/01/2006 12:53:19 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: gonzo; All

Regarding mosques, about two years ago there were about a dozen or so in Southern California of any size. Now there are scores of them.

Alan plans to put up the "no go" zones in Paris and a whole list of Southern California mosques up on his http://www.antimullah.com site in the coming days.

What a wake up call to see so many- each with their own Madrasseh (school).

Please visit his site and pass it on to friends, contacts and colleagues. He needs the support/encouragement of seeing lots of visitors. He gets them from all over the world including Iran but could use greater numbers.

His best so far has been 10,000 in 36 hours with some 35,000 views from Freepers reading the same article on a worldwide story he broke.

At the other end he sometimes gets as few as just over a 100 in a day.


47 posted on 12/01/2006 5:16:06 PM PST by FARS
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To: OhioInfidel

Good read, thanks for posting. Personally, I think it's about 1936-7.


48 posted on 12/01/2006 5:17:46 PM PST by alarm rider (Not a democrat, not a republican, not a "libertarian".. A CONSERVATIVE.)
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To: FARS
"...Please visit his site and pass it on to friends, contacts and colleagues. He needs the support/encouragement of seeing lots of visitors. He gets them from all over the world including Iran but could use greater numbers..."

Can do - will do!.....................FRegards

http://www.antimullah.com

49 posted on 12/01/2006 9:35:10 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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