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B.C. Gov't Gets Tough With Private Clinic [Joys of 'Free' Health Care]
canada.com ^

Posted on 12/01/2006 6:49:09 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

VICTORIA - A showdown over the future of medicare is expected to unfold in Vancouver today as the B.C. government threatens to shut down a private clinic that may start charging patients for services that should be free under the health care system.

''We need to ensure universal access to health care is maintained in this province,'' B.C. Health Minister George Abbott said Thursday.

In what Abbott called ''an extraordinary move,'' the B.C. government pushed through a cabinet order Thursday that will empower government auditors to enter the premises of the Urgent Care Centre that has promised to open its doors today in Vancouver.

While the private clinic's operators have yet to charge anyone for emergency services, they have made it clear they plan to challenge the status quo of Canada's medicare system.

In advertisements, in which they call their facility a place ''for conditions requiring prompt attention,'' the clinic's operators seem to suggest they will seek a $199 evaluation fee from patients and charge $70 to set a broken arm in a cast and $50 for X-rays.

Abbott said that would likely violate the Canada Health Act and the provincial B.C. Medical Services Act, which make it illegal for any doctor within the medicare system to extra-bill for procedures that are supposed to be universally available and free under medicare.

The operators of the clinic could not be reached for comment.

But the B.C. government said it can't immediately shut down the clinic. It will be sending in an audit team from the independent Medical Service's Commission to investigate its billing practices.

Abbott said the investigation could take days, weeks or month, but if extra billing is found to be taking place, a court injunction would be sought to shut down the clinic.

The emergence of private clinics and queue jumping has become a major issue in Canada.

There are many private clinics operating in the country, but they have mostly found ways to avoid openly confronting Canada's medicare laws.

However, a Supreme Court of Canada decision last year which ruled that the Quebec government couldn't stop patients from purchasing private insurance for health-care procedures provided under medicare, given that the public system often fails to provide service in a timely manner has emboldened private clinic proponents, who believe the decision gives them legal support.

In British Columbia, the health care budget is ballooning and the provincial government is under fire for bed shortages and long waits in emergency rooms.

In recent months, the B.C. New Democratic Party has attacked the provincial Liberal government for not cracking down on doctors it says have allowed patients to pay for access to private clinics.

In some cases, patients have been able to use their access to the private clinics to get to the front of the line for diagnostic tests, saving months or even years of waiting.

''I think this is the tip of the iceberg,'' said the NDP's health critic Adrian Dix. ''The government's position on private health care has been 'don't ask, don't tell'. It's been a failure.''

Dix called for the government to audit all private health clinics, not only the Urgent Care Centre.

Vancouver Sun


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bigovernment; canada; healthcare; socializedmedicine
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This could be us if Hillary had succeeded in 1993.
1 posted on 12/01/2006 6:49:11 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

Joys-of-socialism ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 12/01/2006 6:50:21 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
IMO .. they are trying to put healthcare out of business
3 posted on 12/01/2006 6:54:20 AM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
In recent months, the B.C. New Democratic Party has attacked the provincial Liberal government for not cracking down on doctors it says have allowed patients to pay for access to private clinics.

Those B@stards!

4 posted on 12/01/2006 6:56:47 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: neodad

Exactly. How dare these people think they should be allowed to purchase possibly life-saving services with their own money? We must all be willing to sacrifice in the name of serving Mother Socialism!


5 posted on 12/01/2006 7:01:36 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
What is this obsession with "universal health care". Why in the world can't a clinic charge a fee if the patient can and is willing to pay it in order to get better and faster service.

Its almost like they can't stand to see a medical system that out does theirs and is proven to work more efficient.

I guess Liberalism is like Islam, no matter how much one disproves a point in its doctrine, it seem Liberals would rather suffer under their ways then to adopt rational and not purely emotional ways.
6 posted on 12/01/2006 7:01:43 AM PST by KingArthur305
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

My sister in law lives in VT, where Howard Dean imposed socialized medicine before leaving office. She had hip replacement surgery (she's in her forties, but fell off her horse and broke the hip in three places)this week as an out patient. Her husband had to drive her home from Burlington in the car and get her into the house, himself. This time she only had to wait about two months for the surgery, when she needed back surgery, the wait was nine months.


7 posted on 12/01/2006 7:02:11 AM PST by Eva
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To: KingArthur305
What is this obsession with "universal health care".

It's a quest for power.......

8 posted on 12/01/2006 7:04:14 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Tennessee - The last Conservative rock sticking above a deep blue sea....)
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To: Mo1
Medical equipment is very expensive. The fifty dollar price tag for an x-ray is very low. The Canuck govt. is trying to legislate the price of equipment by regulating fees. But then again, what judge or legislature wouldn't jump at the opportunity to regulate greenhouse emissions with the intention of stopping global warming?
9 posted on 12/01/2006 7:04:44 AM PST by x_plus_one (Franklin Graham: "Allah is not the God of Moses. Allah had no son")
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To: Eva
Amazing, Liberals would rather see everyone suffer, then to see charity and government help the people without healthcare. Case envy is at their core.
10 posted on 12/01/2006 7:09:46 AM PST by KingArthur305
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To: x_plus_one
The Canuck govt. is trying to legislate the price of equipment by regulating fees.

And by doing so they will end up putting people out of business

11 posted on 12/01/2006 7:12:06 AM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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Amazing, Liberals would rather see everyone suffer, then to see charity and government help the people without healthcare. Case envy is at their core.

I think it falls under the category of population control

12 posted on 12/01/2006 7:16:43 AM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
However, a Supreme Court of Canada decision last year which ruled that the Quebec government couldn't stop patients from purchasing private insurance for health-care procedures provided under medicare, given that the public system often fails to provide service in a timely manner has emboldened private clinic proponents, who believe the decision gives them legal support.

Ok, easy work around... patient buys private insurance, just before the services are delivered, that then pays for the procedures.
13 posted on 12/01/2006 7:19:03 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Mo1

Actually, what they have done is destroyed capital investment in Canadian medicine because governments always, always, always set prices to certain kinds of producers way too low. The country's radiologists estimate that virtually all of the diagnostic imaging devices are in need of upgrade. Some are so old that they don't turn them off. There is a huge doctor shortage. Physicians are on a budget. They see patients until their budget is exhausted and then take a long vacation. If, that is, they haven't moved to the U.S. where they still can practice something that resembles medicine.

The people who support this kind of thing are emeshed in a utopian vision of equality. When it doesn't work out in practice, they will trash quality in order to make sure that everyone is equal.

And, make no mistake, they are busy doing that in the U.S., too.


14 posted on 12/01/2006 7:23:16 AM PST by cosine
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To: cosine

I agree


15 posted on 12/01/2006 7:25:39 AM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This is exactly what the Clintons had in mind for the rest of us.


16 posted on 12/01/2006 7:28:54 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: cosine
If, that is, they haven't moved to the U.S. where they still can
practice something that resembles medicine.


I'm not in the medical field.
But it seemed that during my stay in Southern California
(1995-2005), about every fourth doctor I met was...from Canada.
17 posted on 12/01/2006 7:32:00 AM PST by VOA
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

GMTA - see #1.


18 posted on 12/01/2006 7:32:14 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: cosine
The country's radiologists estimate that virtually all of the diagnostic
imaging devices are in need of upgrade.


IIRC, maybe 10 years ago an investigative news report showed that
there were more CAT scanners in Orange County (California)
than in all of Canada.

Of course access to most of the Orange County scanner costs money
or good health insurance.
But illegals get the service for free at major research universities.
(according to a friend at USC medical school)
19 posted on 12/01/2006 7:36:25 AM PST by VOA
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To: neodad

There is infinitely more sanctimony involved in forcing people to wait and wait and wait for necessary "free" treatment when they are ill than to allow them to pay. It's just like the song says: "Oh. Canada."


20 posted on 12/01/2006 7:48:45 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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