Posted on 12/01/2006 1:19:24 PM PST by Risha
If this commandment is "outdated" what about Leviticus 18:21: Do not make any of your children walk through the fire of Molech [a form of human sacrifice] and do not profance the Name of G-d, I am the Lord.
Or how about Leviticus 18:23: Do not lie with an animal to be contaminated by it; nor shall any woman be mounted by an animal--it is a perversion.
Without the Temple, the existance of "The Holy of Holies," and the Priestly Caste, sacrifices are prohibited.
Mark
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
You don't get it. That's not what is happening. It was never about 2+2=5. The unis are well aware that 2+2=4 and so on and have never been about believing everything anything or nothing. What the unis are about is situational ethics so they can always justify taking what is not theirs. My female parent was associated with the unis long enough to let them perform a marriage ceremony for her and what she referred to has her 2nd husband. She has always had their mindset and it has been one of if I want something then I should have it. Where some people might add, and I don't care who I hurt in the process of getting it, the unis go on oblivious to the damage they cause. In my case mother leaves when I'm 8 and it's killing me. I could call and complain and she's say what? what'd I do? and have very excuse to justify why what she did was ok. I gave up. Unitarianism is nothing more than a religion for narcissists.
"Values over blood," as Dennis Prager has put it...which I agree too applies to sacrificial blood.
Also, but aside, polygamy seems to have been in error given Genesis II 24.
Good graphic. All it takes is one generation.
Judges 2:7 And the people served the LORD all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that outlived Joshua, who had seen all the great works of the LORD, that he did for Israel.
8 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of the LORD, died, being an hundred and ten years old.
9 And they buried him in the border of his inheritance in Timnathheres, in the mount of Ephraim, on the north side of the hill Gaash.
10 And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the LORD, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel.
11 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim:
12 And they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the LORD to anger.
13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.
"Advance word is that the panel – the Committee on Jewish Law and Standards – will approve conflicting answers."
That's the Conservative Movement. Neither here nor there on anything. They don't know what the heck they believe on any issue! They assign study groups of the confused to figure out what they believe. If they aren't the funniest and most pitiful "religious" act in town, who is?
Golden calfs have been seen in the land, complete with the partys. And trust me, those with faith are all expecting the need of asbestos lined umbrellas.
I say this because this thinking has been used by the homosexual lobby to support their position.
If Jews no longer sacrifice, in violation of the Torah, why not allow gays to marry which is also against the commands of the Torah?
What is the rational by modern Judaism to stop the all the daily, monthly and yearly sacrifices?
Hoo boy.
Judaism did not "stop" the sacrifices. They were stopped for them by the Romans (and before that, the Babylonians).
The qorbanot (offerings) can only be offered in the Temple. When there is no Temple they cannot be offered. Just like during the Babylonian Exile--the offerings ceased until the Temple was rebuilt.
The Holy Torah warns Israel numerous times of the penalty for abandoning it. These consequences include exile, when no offerings can be brought. The Torah also promises that when Israel repents and returns to the Torah they will be restored. When this happens the Temple will be rebuilt and the offerings resumed.
Chr*stians (very dishonestly) have always maintained that the Torah's warnings refer to "rejecting the messiah." The Torah says not one solitary word about "rejecting the messiah." All the warnings are about abandoning the Torah. Chr*stians demand that Jews do exactly this--abandon the Torah and replace it with something else. The demands of chr*stianity thus contradict the plain words of G-d in the Holy Torah. Chr*stians get around this because of their a priori assumption of the veracity of the "new testament," but this is a violation of logic ("affirmation of the consequent"). The plain fact it that unless one begins with the assumption that the "new testament" has superseded the Torah (G-d forbid!) that the plain words of the Torah insist that it is to be observed forever and never replaced with anything else. Chr*stianity basically insists that today it is the observance of Torah that is the sin and the abandonment of Torah in favor of chr*stianity that G-d requires. But this view cannot be retrojected into the Torah!
The Torah told Israel that this would happen. They would abandon it and be scattered to the four corners of the earth. During this exile no offerings are possible. The Torah distinguishes between those laws that are to be observed everywhere at all times and those that can only be observed in the Land of Israel, or when the Temple is in existence. The Torah ends all its prophecies of exile with the promise to restore Israel to its land. For two thousand years chr*stianity (especially the non-Fundamentalist variety) has absurdly claimed that these promises apply "mystically" to the chr*stian church. Once again, you have to already believe this before you can retroject this belief into the Torah.
Kindly read your Bible from the front before posting such comments again.
Abraham, Issac and Jacob all offered sacrifices without the Temple as did Samuel.
Kindly read your Bible from the front before posting such comments again.
I have thanks.
More like a middle ground between complete non-belief and Orthodoxy - which leaves you with something that really isn't Jewish in the historical or religious sense. It is similar, but significantly different.
Either one accepts that the Torah was given to Moses by G-d at Mt. Sinai, or you don't. If you do, then actions like this are impossible, as G-d Himself has said that lying with another man is an abomination. If, OTOH, you don't accept that G-d gave the Torah to Moses at Mt. Sinai, an interesting question arises: why do ANYTHING required in the Torah, and why refrain from doing ANYTHING prohobited by it? In other words, if it isn't Divine, why pay any attention at all - why not just make things up as you go along? That is, in fact, the view of Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist Jewry. So, if that's the case, why even call yourself Jewish - what's the point?
"The Rabbinical Assembly Committee on Jewish Law and Standards..."
"The Rabbinical Assembly Committee on the Standardless State of Jewish Law as We'd Like it to Be (at This Moment in Time)" is a more accurate description.
"The way it looks, it will be decided on a more liberal understanding of the law," Rabbi Irwin Kula, president of the National Jewish Center for Learning and Leadership, told Reuters. "It would be a very big, big surprise if that's not the case." [Note: this is a quote from a different article on the same subject; emphasis added.]
"...a more liberal understanding of the law" is a code phrase for "we'll decide based on any standard that we can come up with, or which one of us is able to shove down the throats of the others, all of which can change at any time" (especially if you only need 6 out of 25 votes).
You know, if someone or some group wants to decide things that way, fine - its their choice. Just don't call the process something that it isn't, and thereby misrepresent who you are and what you're doing. To claim that such a ruling or decision is based on a more liberal interpretation of "The Law" is wholly inaccurate - since "The Law" doesn't leave any kind of discretion like this concerning homosexuality. "The Law" is very clear - it is an abomination. Agree or disagree - but THAT is The Law - and if you disagree that strongly, at least be honest enough to say that you are starting up a new religion.
Excuse me - the rules were different for the 3 Patriarchs mentions, especially since there wasn't going to even be a Temple for another approximately 600-800 years, and for a Prophet who did what G-d told him to do, than they are for the rest of us Jews, who don't have the anywhere near their level of knowledge or spirituality.
Uh, ..."mentioned"...
Insanity. If the Conservatives do this, they might as well join with the (liberal) Reforms and I'll just mosey over to the Orthodox's, where they don't pee on G-d's words.
If the Torah is to be followed, when was the last time a woman was stoned to death for adultery and when was the last time someone was killed for violating the Sabbath as the man was who was caught gathering wood?
With each other?
Well, why not!! America is going down anyway. We have already pushed God so far out of America that we have lost favor with Him. If anyone doubts that, just look at what's happening in America! We are under Judgment. If you think it's bad now, just wait. Things are going to get much, much worse. When so called "men of God" would even consider this, we are in big trouble. Homosexuality is one of the sins that have brought swift and severe punishment in the Bible. There is NO doubt how God feels about it. He could NOT have been more clear!
Again, David gathered together all [the] chosen [men] of Israel, thirty thousand.
2Sa 6:2 And David arose, and went with all the people that [were] with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth [between] the cherubims.
2Sa 6:3 And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that [was] in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart.
2Sa 6:4 And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which [was] at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark.
2Sa 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of [instruments made of] fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.
2Sa 6:6 ¶ And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth [his hand] to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook [it].
2Sa 6:7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for [his] error(see verse below); and there he died by the ark of God.
Numbere 4:15 And when Aaron and his sons have made an end of covering the sanctuary, and all the vessels of the sanctuary, as the camp is to set forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to bear [it]: but they shall not touch [any] holy thing, lest they die. These [things are] the burden of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation.
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