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To: hosepipe
What you are saying is exactly what my teacher said in 1984.

He said that Communism was moving closer to Socialism and Capitalism was moving closer to Socialism. He augured that it would not just be in America. And that was in 84. Like you said, you see it in China, Europe, even here in the US. And like Joe said in the 40s, Commies were here. I think the 1930s was when Social Security was set up. That is how long they have been here, spewing their ideals. Check the American Commie web page and see how long they have been established here.

And you are exactly right about being a Republic.
27 posted on 12/02/2006 12:11:11 PM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: do the dhue
(Sorry if I'm just restating the obvious here, but...)

The socialism becomes capitalist / capitalism becomes socialist circle goes way farther back than '84. I heard the same thing in '62.

The basis is/was that neither system can operate in pure form.

Capitalism itself does not address what we know as humanitarian issues - so some form of socialism gets grafted into the mix to accommodate those who cannot compete. Then there are public works, disasters, and wars to be fought and paid for. Eventually the guilds and crafts associations metastasize into unions...
Socialist ideals might work fine for a tribe of about a dozen people, early Christians and the Puritans tried it. Eventually it fails, in part because no one is motivated except those who direct and manage the 'equality'. Orwell did that part. It also fails because of the need to generate assets within the group and from without.
(In the most socialist of societies there will always be capitalists at work selling any excess they can produce - and hide - for whatever extras another capitalist has to sell.)
Eventually - some form of capitalism gets grafted into the mix and suddenly China wants to sell cars in the USA.

Socialism, unlike Capitalism, does pretend to have an answer for both governmental and personal needs, from each according to...etc.
That makes it comforting to many people on the bottom.
And, because they don't truly believe that it will apply to them, it also appeals to self defined intellectuals and people who are or think they are the elite.
A lot of people over the last century (+) thought it was a good idea until they found themselves living with it.

The lesson was that pure ideology on either end won't work.

Generally omitted from that lesson has been the fact that your professor probably held himself to be one of those elites who would somehow be 'more equal than other animals' within a socialist system.

44 posted on 12/03/2006 9:43:09 AM PST by norton
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