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Episcopal Diocese Votes to Secede From Church
NY Slimes ^ | 12/03/2006 | Laurie Goodstein/Carolyn. Marshall

Posted on 12/03/2006 3:15:58 AM PST by Moose Dung

FRESNO, CA--An Episcopal diocese in California overwhelmingly passed a series of resolutions yesterday that position it to secede from the Episcopal Church and affiliate with conservatives in the global Anglican Communion.

If the Diocese of San Joaquin affirms the move in a second vote next year, the small diocese, with 48 parishes and 7,000 members, would be the first to try to break from the Episcopal Church, which has been torn by conflict since the consecration of a gay bishop in 2003. Until now, only individual parishes have severed ties.

The vote by the diocese is one more step in a carefully planned strategy by conservative Episcopalians in the United States and primates of Anglican provinces, many in the developing world, to unite the conservatives, claim the mantle of Anglicanism and isolate the Episcopal Church, the 2.3-million-member American branch in the Anglican communion, which claims 77 million members worldwide.

The San Joaquin diocese, which does not ordain women, has long been one of the most conservative of the church’s 110 dioceses. It is among seven dioceses that were so disturbed by the church’s decision to consecrate a gay bishop that they have refused to accept the authority of the church and its presiding bishop. They have also appealed for “alternative oversight” to the Archbishop of Canterbury, who as head of the Church of England is considered the “first among equals” among the Anglican primates.

“This is the separation,” said Craig Petz, a lay delegate to the diocese’s convention in Fresno, Calif., where the vote took place. “It’s done. There’s no equivocating.”

Mr. Petz, from St. Mary’s Church in Manteca, Calif., said he was delighted by the resolutions, but an active caucus of clergy members and laity who strongly oppose separation from the church were despondent.

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Does the NYT actaully get this? Holy cow...pigs are flying!

I have all the docs and individual vote counts to post in religion later. Yes, folks, I am an Anglican Moose!

dung.

1 posted on 12/03/2006 3:16:05 AM PST by Moose Dung
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To: Moose Dung
Last year a whole Episcopal church left and joined the Roman Catholic church here in Houston.
2 posted on 12/03/2006 3:19:47 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Moose Dung
I'm surprised they exist in of all places, California.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

3 posted on 12/03/2006 3:24:35 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Moose Dung

Religion is the opium of the people when they mainline it.


4 posted on 12/03/2006 3:25:05 AM PST by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high....McCain.")
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To: Nextrush
Mainstream denominations, Christian and Jewish are dying just like the mainstream media.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

5 posted on 12/03/2006 3:26:21 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Hydroshock

Do you have a link for that story?


6 posted on 12/03/2006 3:28:34 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Pyro7480
No, I was told of it by my parish priest.
7 posted on 12/03/2006 3:32:19 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Nextrush

"Religion is the opium of the people when they mainline it."

Huh?


8 posted on 12/03/2006 3:51:06 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: Moose Dung
Isn't there an Anglican pinglist? Do you think they should be pinged?

Good move by the San Joaquinians. It is disturbing when the main English (and Welsh) part of the church is more conservative than the main American part.

Sorry to keep asking these questions, but apparently organizing a webpage is very difficult. If http://www.freerepublic.com/~jedimasterpikachu/ is very disorganized on your screen, can you freepmail?

9 posted on 12/03/2006 4:12:52 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( FRhomepage on IE is very ugly. Firefox was used to make. Can you help?)
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To: jim35; Nextrush

Basically, mainstream religion is a bunch of social good works programs, rather than focused on God?


10 posted on 12/03/2006 4:14:39 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( FRhomepage on IE is very ugly. Firefox was used to make. Can you help?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
My mom goes to one of these Episcopal churches.

My dad calls it "The Church Of Whatever".

L

11 posted on 12/03/2006 4:17:01 AM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: jim35

It links heorin addict slang with Karl Marx and is my way of explaining mainline liberal religion.


12 posted on 12/03/2006 4:24:19 AM PST by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high....McCain.")
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To: sionnsar; Huber

Ping for your list.


13 posted on 12/03/2006 4:57:38 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Moose Dung

We voted with our feet years ago, when the new prayer book was brought in. There are numerous Roman Catholic churches that have adapted services for Episcopalians who still want the traditional services and in Denver we have a few Anglican churches functioning. It's just too few so far.


14 posted on 12/03/2006 4:58:57 AM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: Moose Dung

The Anglican Provence of Christ the King: http://www.anglicanpck.org/about/index.html, is ready to join with all Episcopalians/Anglicans to maintain a traditional Christian Church. APCK has been in existance since 1979. Contact!


15 posted on 12/03/2006 5:58:36 AM PST by Blake#1
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To: goldstategop

Mainstream denominations, Christian and Jewish are dying just like the mainstream media.
___________________________________________________

And for the same reason, liberalism.


16 posted on 12/03/2006 6:32:47 AM PST by Mustard Plaster
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To: Moose Dung
Does the NYT actaully get this?

The headline isn't accurate, but it IS the Grey Lady after all -- she's been a bit dotty of late...

17 posted on 12/03/2006 6:55:21 AM PST by sionnsar (?trad-anglican.faithweb.com?|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; ahadams2; neodad; Tribemike; rabscuttle385; cf_river_rat; fgoodwin; ...
Thanks to Kolokotronis for the ping.

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting Traditional Anglican ping, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams.

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this moderately high-volume ping list (typically 3-9 pings/day).
This list is pinged by sionnsar, Huber and newheart.

Resource for Traditional Anglicans: http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com
More Anglican articles here.

Humor: The Anglican Blue (by Huber)

Speak the truth in love. Eph 4:15

18 posted on 12/03/2006 6:56:42 AM PST by sionnsar (?trad-anglican.faithweb.com?|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Moose Dung
I have all the docs and individual vote counts to post in religion later. Yes, folks, I am an Anglican Moose!

Looking forward to this. Would you ping me when you do this, please?

19 posted on 12/03/2006 6:59:46 AM PST by sionnsar (?trad-anglican.faithweb.com?|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Moose Dung
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Bishop Katharine Jefferts-Schori
Episcopalians and Male Testosterone Show Corresponding Decline
http://theresurgence.com/md_blog_2006-11-10_episcolpalians_and_male_testosterone_show_corresponding_decline

20 posted on 12/03/2006 8:24:57 AM PST by XR7
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Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, Katharine Jefferts-Schori

What is your view on intelligent design?

I firmly believe that evolution ought to be taught in the schools as the best witness of what modern science has taught us. To try to read the Bible literalistically about such issues disinvites us from using the best of recent scholarship.

Is belief in Jesus the only way to get to heaven?

We who practice the Christian tradition understand him as our vehicle to the divine. But for us to assume that God could not act in other ways is, I think, to put God in an awfully small box.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1211587,00.html


21 posted on 12/03/2006 8:35:51 AM PST by XR7
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To: jim35

Opiate? Mainstream?


22 posted on 12/03/2006 8:42:22 AM PST by ARA
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Jefferts-Schori: "I firmly believe that evolution ought to be taught in the schools as the best witness of what modern science has taught us.
To try to read the Bible literalistically about such issues disinvites us from using the best of recent scholarship."

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools...who exchanged the truth of God for a lie
-- Romans 1:22,25

23 posted on 12/03/2006 8:43:34 AM PST by XR7
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To: Blake#1

I've been hearing that many of the continuing and "common cause" churches are joining up. One estimate was that we would have nearly 250 parishes & missions joining into the Diocese of San Joaquin by the end of 2007. I've hoped that one way or another we could be united with Christ the King.

In any event it's great to be done with ECUSA!

dung.


24 posted on 12/03/2006 8:44:54 AM PST by Moose Dung (Perquacky is a fools game.)
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To: sionnsar; All

If you note, the word "conservative" is use SEVEN times to decribe one faction, including FOUR times in the first four paragraps, yet nowhere is the term "liberal" used..


25 posted on 12/03/2006 9:03:28 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; sionnsar

BUMPping


26 posted on 12/03/2006 10:53:35 AM PST by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: XR7
My EYES! She's the Helen Thomas of the Episcopal Church.

Seriously, Madam Schori's belief system is no different from that of the Communist Party.

27 posted on 12/03/2006 11:20:21 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: WashingtonSource

Schiori is not much different from the bishops who collaborated with the Communists in Russia to destroy the faith.


28 posted on 12/03/2006 1:07:22 PM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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To: Mustard Plaster

Mainstream denominations, Christian and Jewish are dying just like the mainstream media.
___________________________________________________

And for the same reason, liberalism.

___________________________________________________

And for the smae reason, the Republican Party


29 posted on 12/03/2006 1:49:47 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: XR7

T H U M P ! ! ! !
BUMP


30 posted on 12/03/2006 4:47:16 PM PST by LibreOuMort (Give me liberty, or give me death! (Patrick Henry))
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To: Moose Dung; All

Link to the Washington Post version of this story:

Episcopal Churches to Vote on Departure
Fairfax [VA] Congregations Dismayed by Direction
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/03/AR2006120301186.html?nav=rss_email/components

Two of the country's largest and most historic Episcopal congregations -- both in Fairfax County -- will vote next week on whether to leave the U.S. church on ideological grounds and affiliate instead with a controversial Nigerian archbishop. The decision could lead to a bitter court battle and the loss of $25 million in property.


31 posted on 12/04/2006 12:39:58 AM PST by lainie
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To: Moose Dung
It's about time!!!
 

1 Corinthians 5:11-13
 11.  But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
 12.  What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
 13.  God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

32 posted on 12/04/2006 2:50:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Your homepage looks fine on my monitor now. A couple of weeks ago, things were over lapping.

Is there a reputable, free website for uploading Word documents onto the internet (privately, so others can't see)?

I do not quite understand this.

Do you want to have something on the 'net that is only password accessible? or do you want it accessible to all, but the actual SOURCE of the document hidden? Or maybe something else?

33 posted on 12/04/2006 2:56:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Morgan in Denver
... for Episcopalians who still want the traditional services ...

As long as you don't let 'the traditions of men' become more important than preaching the Gospel...

34 posted on 12/04/2006 2:58:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: XR7

We who practice the Christian tradition understand him as our vehicle to the divine.

But for us to assume that God could not act in other ways is, I think, to put God in an awfully small box.


John 14:6  Jesus answered,
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. "

NIV Acts 17:16-23
 16.  While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols.
 17.  So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?
 20.  You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we want to know what they mean."
 21.  (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)
 22.  Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious.
 
 
 
NIV Acts 18:11
   So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
 

NIV Acts 21:19-22
 19.  Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.
 20.  When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: "You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.
 21.  They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs.
 
 

NIV 1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 

NIV 1 Corinthians 11:2-3
   I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
 
NIV Colossians 1:28-29
   We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.
 
 

NIV 2 Thessalonians 2:15-16
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 

NIV 1 Timothy 2:7-8
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
 
NIV 1 Timothy 6:1
   All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered.
 
 
 
NIV 2 Timothy 1:11
   And of this gospel  I was appointed a herald and an apostle and a teacher.
 
 

NIV 2 Timothy 1:13
   What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 

NIV 2 Timothy 3:14-15
 14.  But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it,
 15.  and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
 
Someone has wandered away from the Truth!
 
James 5
 19.  My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back,
 20.  remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
 

 
 
 

35 posted on 12/04/2006 3:07:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
Basically a place that ordinary documents made on a computer can be uploaded onto the internet so that they can be retrieved from many computers, rather than the one on which it was made (and if there isn't a portable storage device).

Many freepers kindly helped to get a FRhomepage organized on Internet Explorer. It should look organized, now.

36 posted on 12/04/2006 3:13:08 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Many kind freepers helped organize a FRhomepage.)
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To: lainie
 The decision could lead to a bitter court battle and the loss of $25 million in property.

Matthew 24:1-2
 1.  Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.
 2.  "Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
 
Acts 19:18-20
 18.  Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed their evil deeds.
 19.  A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas.
 20.  In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power.

37 posted on 12/04/2006 3:14:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I guess just anyplace that a BLOG is located would fulfill what you wish to do.

or...

Most ISP's that a person is associated with allows a certain amount of disc space that can be used for your own purposes. Each ISP is a bit different on HOW that can be accomplished.


38 posted on 12/04/2006 3:19:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Basically, mainstream religion is a bunch of social good works programs, rather than focused on God?

Doctrinally, "mainstream religion" is the assertion that the gospel is not itself but rather, something else in drag. Almost universally, the "something else" is the philosophical fad of the previous generation. Liberation theology, for example, asserts that the gospel is actually Marxism in drag. If those who marry the spirit of the times are soon widowed, what can we say of those who marry intellectual corpses, the obsolete, passe, quaint, outmoded, spirit of the previous generation? Philosophical necrophiliacs, perhaps? Frankly, I'd rather be united to the Risen and ever-living Christ!

Do these people have any idea how pathetic they look trying to slavishly ape dated notions they think are fashionable, and au courant?

39 posted on 12/04/2006 3:20:24 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Elsie
Appreciated.

Many freepers kindly helped to get a FRhomepage organized on Internet Explorer. It should look organized, now.

40 posted on 12/04/2006 3:20:51 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Many kind freepers helped organize a FRhomepage.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
But....
 

the very first thing on your homepage is....
 

wall.
 

in the upper lefthand corner??

41 posted on 12/04/2006 3:25:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Take a look at this site; there are others out there that do similar things. I've never used them, but they appear to do what you're trying to do. It's not expensive, but neither is is cheap.

http://www.worksmart.net/ws/index.html

If you've got someone technical, you could just do an FTP server, and create file storage space with logins for all the users.


42 posted on 12/04/2006 3:36:48 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster
Appreciated. The webpage should look organized on (at least): Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Safari.

Many freepers kindly helped to get a FRhomepage organized on Internet Explorer and Safari. It should look organized, now.

43 posted on 12/04/2006 3:38:38 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Many kind freepers helped organize a FRhomepage.)
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To: lainie
The decision could lead to a bitter court battle and the loss of $25 million in property.

The local congregation will likely lose the property, because the property is usually already deeded to the main denomination - even though it was paid for and maintained for years by the tithes and offerings of the local congregation. That's probably why there has not already been a mass exodus out of the denomination. Money.

44 posted on 12/04/2006 7:31:13 AM PST by XR7
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To: Jack Black

You are absolutely right, when the membership is conservative and the leadership is liberal it causes the members to either stay home or go elsewhere.


45 posted on 12/04/2006 7:36:10 AM PST by Mustard Plaster
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To: XR7

She looks like (and sadly thinks like)David Souter, that hideous cancerous slimeback that 41 put on the court


46 posted on 12/04/2006 3:53:47 PM PST by Tribemike (Here is the text of the article....)
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