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The Jewish Case For "Merry Christmas" (Don Feder Says Believe It Or Not, Its Good For Jews Alert)
Frontpagemag.com ^ | 12/07/2006 | Don Feder

Posted on 12/07/2006 1:01:42 AM PST by goldstategop

You may find the title confusing. After all, religious Jews don’t celebrate Christmas. So why should a Jew care if a store clerk says “Merry Christmas?” Why should the public disappearance of Christmas matter to the Jewish people?

Patience. All will be explained in due course.

In the meantime, ‘tis the season to be politically correct – a coast-to-coast harkening-free zone and the tyranny of hyper-sensitivity.

The increasingly successful effort to purge Christmas from our culture (correctly called the War on Christmas) proceeds apace – municipal Christmas trees are re-christened (no pun intended) “holiday trees,” schools ban Christmas decorations and the singing of Christmas carols during holiday programs. Christmas – excuse me -- holiday parades are excluding Santa Claus, and, everywhere, stores (which derive 20% of their annual revenue from Christmas sales) are in Grinch overdrive.

This year, Lowe’s employees are permitted to say “Merry Christmas,” but only in response to a customer initiating the greeting. On its website, Barnes & Noble offers a “Gift Guide” which includes “Holiday gift baskets,” “holiday sleds” and “holiday delivery.” FYI, the “holiday” celebrated by 95% of the American people at this time of the year is called Christmas.

The Best Buy website offers “unique gifts for the season.” According to Liberty Counsel (a Christian legal action group), a company spokesman claims the use of the word “Christmas” is disrespectful. Disrespectful to who? The 5% of the American people who don’t celebrate Christmas? But how many of them actually care? (For years, people said “Merry Christmas” to me, without inflicting severe emotional harm.) Would it be disrespectful for a clerk in Tel Aviv to wish someone a “Happy Hanukkah”?

Eddie Bauer’s customer service department doesn’t acknowledge Christmas because, says a spokesman, the retailer doesn’t “want to offend Jews, those who celebrate Kwanza, and those who have no religious preference.” And what about the Christians whose holiday is intentionally ignored? The retail giant isn’t concerned about offending them.

The no-religious-preference crowd, who nonetheless are into decking the halls, will be relieved to learn that, once again this year, K-Mart is selling “Holiday trees” – under which “holiday presents” may be placed and around which the family can gather on holiday eve to sing “um-um-um, um-um, um-um-um um” – until that too is banned as somehow disrespectful.

The refusal of retailers to wish 95% of the American people a “Merry Christmas,” is but a seasonal manifestation of the secularist jihad.

But the unholy war is most apparent at this time of the year:

The City of Chicago pressured organizers of the annual Cristkindlmarket (literally: Christ candle market) to drop New Line Cinema as a co-sponsor. The studio was going to show clips from its just-released film “The Nativity Story,” at its booth. A city official determined it would be terribly “insensitive to the many people of the many faiths who come to enjoy the market for its good and unique gifts” to encounter a booth showing clips from a movie about Jesus – at a Christmas fair. Might spoil their shopping experience, don’t you know. (And if someone went to a Hanukah party they might – oh no! – see a menorah. And wouldn’t that be just too awful for words.) By the by, Chicago always gives a warm municipal welcome to the annual Gay Pride Week (including “Mr. Leather"). Again, religious people apparently have no sensibilities. The U.S. Supreme Court has refused to review a lower court ruling that New York public schools can refuse to display crèches at Christmas, while putting up menorahs at Hanukah and crescents at Ramadan. Celebrating minority religions is cool, multicultural and sensitive. Acknowledging the religion of the overwhelming majority is callous, not inclusive – hence, un-cool. There’s an ongoing game of pc one-upsmanship. Employee “holiday parties” are no longer permitted at the University of Colorado. (Christmas parties were ditched last year.) Obsessive administrators decided that during a holiday party someone might be thinking about that holiday which is the focus of the season. Henceforth, the school will have “staff appreciation parties” or “good-will functions” -- as long as the good will referenced in no way relates to (you, know) peace on earth, good will toward men.

The War on Christmas is one front in the War on Christianity -- which itself is part of the War on Religion and religious-based values.

The same ideologues who want to take Christmas out of Christmas, also want to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, “In God We Trust” off our currency and bibles out of presidential inaugurations. They want to pretend that the Ten Commandments had no more to do with the founding of this country than the Koran, The Humanist Manifesto II or “The Earth In Balance.”

The foregoing should matter to Jews principally for two reasons:

The religious Jew's mission is to spread God-based morality.

This has been true since the time of Abraham. God expects Jews to spread knowledge of Him and his commandments. We are told to stand against a morality of convenience. (We are expected not to change with the times, but to change the times – as we did in the ancient Near East.) Judaism was the first religion to embrace a universal moral code – one for all people, at all times, in all places.

Just as in the 19th century most American Jews opposed slavery and in the early 20th century, Jewish reformers supported child-labor laws, today, morality-from-Sinai requires us to support the family and oppose sexual license and the destruction of innocent human life (including abortion-on-demand, cloning to kill and euthanasia).

Serious Christians – whose morality comes from our Bible – recognize the same ethical injunctions. That’s why they’re under relentless attack by the cultural elite. The secular Left wants to extinguish God-based morality. The only way to do that is to drive Christianity underground. Hence, the War on Christianity. Hence, the War on Christmas.

How well the Left has done its work of deconstructing marriage, the American family and traditional morality may be seen in three statistics. In the 1930s, married couples comprised 84% all households. Today, the figure is just under 50%. Since 2000, the number of cohabitating couples increased by 14%.

That’s why, Jews -- as Jews -- must oppose revisionist efforts to deny our nation’s Christian heritage, must stand against the drive to decouple our laws from Judeo-Christian ethics and must counter attacks on public expressions of the religion of most Americans – Christianity.

Jews are safer in a Christian America than in a secular America (or Europe).

Look at the fate of Jews in post-Christian Europe.

Stephen Steinlight, former director of the U.S. Holocaust Museum, says there are an average of 12 assaults a day on Parisian Jews – comparable to Nazi attacks on Jews in the dying days of the Weimar Republic. In recent years, synagogues, Jewish day schools and kosher restaurants have been targeted by Europeans of the jihad persuasion.

In a commentary in the October 17th Jerusalem Post, David Meyer (a French-born rabbi serving a synagogue in Brussels) writes: “I am frightened not just by the anti-Semitism (resurgent in Europe) but by the collective European response of indifference and appeasement. Today, Europe worships compromise. It is ‘fanatical’ in its non-violence. It is a Europe that, in the face of Islamist fanaticism, is ready to stay silent.”

Nature abhors a spiritual vacuum. In a Europe where churches are empty, mosques are filling and new ones are being built every day.

Muslims are having children, while child-like Europeans embrace childless lifestyles. If Christianity fails on the Continent, it won’t be replaced by secular nothingness, but by a creed that both Jews and Christians should fear.

It’s no surprise that the nation with the highest church attendance in the industrialized world (30% to 40%) is the strongest in its support for Israel. In general, support for Israel in the U.S. population can be predicted by frequency of church attendance, with Evangelicals, -- whose faith is deep-rooted -- most devoted to the Jewish state.

And, please don’t tell me about the Spanish Inquisition and the expulsions of 1492. That was half a millennium ago. The principal threats to Jews in the mid-20th century were creeds which which sought to replace God with secular ideologies, based on evolutionary race theory or a maniacal class consciousness.

While Christmas isn’t part of my religion, I’m all for public acknowledgements of a religious holiday celebrated by 95% of the American people.

What’s the alternative -- an America dominated by the twisted theories of Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, Michael Moore and George Clooney? Instead of the red and green of Christmas, how about an America where burka black is the dominant color?

So, what do you prefer to say: “Merry Christmas”? “Workers of the world unite?” Or “Allah Akbar”?


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There IS a Jewish case for "Merry Christmas." Jews are commanded to spread ethical monotheism. And second, Jews are much safer in Christian America than they are in post-Christian (and increasingly Islamified) Europe. The alternative pushed by the Left, is the future of post-modern moral relativism and at a later date, "Allahu Akbar." Neither are very friendly to the prospects of Jewish survival. This is the exactly why Jews should welcome living in the one nation that still says "Merry Christmas."

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

1 posted on 12/07/2006 1:01:47 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
A good Christmas carol from my Lutheran childhood:

O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
wie treu sind deine Blätter!
Du grünst nicht nur zur Sommerzeit,
Nein auch im Winter, wenn es schneit.
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
wie treu sind deine Blätter!

O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Du kannst mir sehr gefallen!
Wie oft hat nicht zur Weihnachtszeit
Ein Baum von dir mich hoch erfreut!
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Du kannst mir sehr gefallen!

O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Dein Kleid will mich was lehren:
Die Hoffnung und Beständigkeit
Gibt Trost und Kraft zu jeder Zeit.
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Das soll dein Kleid mich lehren.

2 posted on 12/07/2006 1:26:03 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop; Salem; SJackson; Alouette; GMMAC; fanfan; Clive; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Very glad you posted this, goldstategop.

Ping!


3 posted on 12/07/2006 3:56:18 AM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: goldstategop
Would it be disrespectful for a clerk in Tel Aviv to wish someone a “Happy Hanukkah”?

The usual greeting is Hag Sameach ("Happy Holidays!") The only holiday that has a unique traditional greeting is Rosh Hashana.

4 posted on 12/07/2006 4:28:47 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 79-82)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; albyjimc2; Alexander Rubin; ...
FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

5 posted on 12/07/2006 4:29:41 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 79-82)
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To: goldstategop
By the way, Barbra Streisand and Barry Manilow both have Christmas (not "Holiday") albums. And Babs doesn't stick to "Winter Wonderland" -- she goes straight for "Ave Maria!"

And whatever you think of her politics or her talent, you have to admit that she's one of the few that has the voice to do justice to that hymn. (And few of the others who can will ever be household names.)

Anyway, I don't own those albums, but my wife (check my tagline) does, and had there ever been a problem with my playing Christmas CDs in the office, they would've shown up the next day.

6 posted on 12/07/2006 5:30:58 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: goldstategop

This reminds me of an incident at a school south of me about 20 years ago. The school had a tradition of celebrating the outstanding artwork of its students by exhibiting it throughout the school building. One student's painting was of the Crucifixion. This artwork had been hanging on the wall for a number of years. A Jewish couple moved to the school district with their child. Within a very short time after enrolling their child at the school, they had filed a lawsuit against the school saying that their child was made uncomfortable by this particular painting. After a year of raging debate, the school removed the painting.

This was my personal introduction to the War on Christianity. Ironically, our own elementary school principal was Jewish, and not only did he organize Christmas caroling, he strolled through the neighborhood, singing carols with us, both secular and religious. No one does that anymore. You can't even hear kids sing religious carols at a Christmas concert anymore.

The awesome spirituality is gone from the public arena.


7 posted on 12/07/2006 5:33:56 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: goldstategop; fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; ...
Thanks for posting!
Pretty amazing Don Feder could actually top himself this late in the year !!!

PING!
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8 posted on 12/07/2006 5:36:39 AM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: Tanniker Smith
****Barbra Streisand ... goes straight for "Ave Maria!". And whatever you think of her politics or her talent, you have to admit that she's one of the few that has the voice to do justice to that hymn. (And few of the others who can will ever be household names.)***

Luciano Pavarotti - nobody does it better.
It literally chokes me up every time I play his Christmas album [ yep, still usin' vinyl :-) ]

(IMO Ave Maria has to be sung by a Tenor.)

9 posted on 12/07/2006 5:52:48 AM PST by Condor51 (Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)
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To: goldstategop
"Cristkindlmarket (literally: Christ candle market"

Actually, Christkindlmarket means Christ Child Market. So, the City of Chicago bans the movie "The Nativity" about the birth of the Christ child from the Christ Child Market festival. I'm not making this up.

10 posted on 12/07/2006 5:55:04 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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To: sageb1

I'm Jewish, and my elementary school music teacher was Jewish, and he organized Christmas caroling and taught the school choir Christmas songs, and one or two Hannukah songs and organized a Christmas concert. So much for the good old days.


11 posted on 12/07/2006 6:19:51 AM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin; goldstategop

Thanks for the ping, Alexander. I second your thumbs up to goldstategop for posting this.


12 posted on 12/07/2006 6:43:41 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Memo to Olmerde: "GET THE HELL OUT OF BIBI's HOUSE!")
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To: Tanniker Smith

I remember when Celine Dion sang "God Bless America" during the TV concert for 9/11, right after 9/11. She did an *amazing* job! One of the most moving songs I've ever heard, but boy was I frustrated that it was sung by a French Canadian! The "My home sweet home" part wasn't quite right...


13 posted on 12/07/2006 7:58:37 AM PST by To Hell With Poverty
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To: GMMAC; goldstategop; sageb1; Alouette
Great Don Feder column. The "public symbolism" issue is actually more important than most people realize.

The leader of the Catholic Church in Bavaria in the 1930s-40s, Cardinal Faulhaber, was anti-Hitler. When the Nazis ordered that the Jews had to wear arm bands, Cardinal Faulhaber had embroidered yellow Star of David arm bands put on the all the statues of Christ, the Virgin Mary, St. Joseph, St. Anne, St. John the Baptist, in the whole archdiocese of Munich.

Faulhaber's books were banned, and in 1934 and 1938 attempts were made to assassinate him. He continued to say and do things that demonstrated resistance to the Nazis, for instance he encouraged choral singing of classics from Bach and Handel. Why was this important? Hear me out: because it was virtually the only that young German Christians exposed to, and could publically celebrate, Old Testament (Jewish) Scriptures.

Connecting the dots, I learned that several of the heroic White Rose group --- ultimately bneheaded for trying to organize resistance to the Nazis in wartime Munich--- had met each other singing about such subversive things as "God's promises to Abraham and his seed forever..."

14 posted on 12/07/2006 8:38:39 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Stand firm and hold to the Traditions"--- 2 Thess. 2:15--- because the Bible tells me so.)
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To: GMMAC; goldstategop; sageb1; Alouette
Great Don Feder column. The "public symbolism" issue is actually more important than most people realize.

The leader of the Catholic Church in Bavaria in the 1930s-40s, Cardinal Faulhaber, was anti-Hitler. When the Nazis ordered that the Jews had to wear arm bands, Cardinal Faulhaber had embroidered yellow Star of David arm bands put on the all the statues of Christ, the Virgin Mary, St. Joseph, St. Anne, St. John the Baptist, in the whole archdiocese of Munich.

Faulhaber's books were banned, and in 1934 and 1938 attempts were made to assassinate him. He continued to say and do things that demonstrated resistance to the Nazis, for instance he encouraged choral singing of classics from Bach and Handel. Why was this important? Hear me out: because it was virtually the only that young German Christians exposed to, and could publically celebrate, Old Testament (Jewish) Scriptures.

Connecting the dots, I learned that several of the heroic White Rose group --- ultimately bneheaded for trying to organize resistance to the Nazis in wartime Munich--- had met each other singing about such subversive things as "God's promises to Abraham and his seed forever..."

15 posted on 12/07/2006 8:38:50 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Stand firm and hold to the Traditions"--- 2 Thess. 2:15--- because the Bible tells me so.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

"White Rose" rebels were BEHEADED? I always thought they were shot.


16 posted on 12/07/2006 8:42:08 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 79-82)
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To: goldstategop

My daughter took German in school.

Every year I try to remember this song, but cant seem to get past the first line.

Sigh. Must be getting old.


17 posted on 12/07/2006 8:46:26 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Alexander Rubin
I'm not Jewish but I seem to have fewer problems with observant Jews than do my secular (read "Liberal") Jewish acquaintances do.

Perhaps that's because observant Jews tend to be conservative politically too, and secular Jews tend not to be.

18 posted on 12/07/2006 8:46:54 AM PST by kellynch ("Our only freedom is the freedom to discipline ourselves." -- Bernard Baruch)
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To: Tanniker Smith
Don't forget the Neil Diamond Christmas specials.


19 posted on 12/07/2006 8:53:05 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: goldstategop
Krusty's cool with it


20 posted on 12/07/2006 8:55:42 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Alouette
Yes, beheaded.

Hans and Sophie Scholl and Christoph Probst were found guilty of treason and Roland Freisler, head judge of the court, sentenced them to death. The three were executed by guillotine the same day. All three were noted for the courage with which they faced their deaths, particularly Sophie.

Alexander Schmorell and Kurt Huber were beheaded on July 13, 1943, and Willi Graf on 12 October 1943.

21 posted on 12/07/2006 8:58:41 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Stand firm and hold to the Traditions"--- 2 Thess. 2:15--- because the Bible tells me so.)
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To: goldstategop

I agree with the posted Don Feder column, but I'm probably missing something here. Can you please explain the connection between the German Christmas carol "O Tannenbaum" (your post # 2) and why Jews should encourage the celebration of Christmas by Christians (your post # 1).


22 posted on 12/07/2006 9:03:08 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Alexander Rubin

There's hope. My children moved into public school this year in Mississauga, and when we went for parent-teacher interviews a week ago, there were trees and Santa and Christmas references everywhere. My 9 year old daughter showed me the song list for their concert, and lo, some traditional tunes are on the list - it was made up of kids requests.

Plus there was a Chanukkah poster on the entrance door (some reference to "faith forward in Peel" on it). My daughter is probably the only Jew in that school, but it made me feel good. Another positive sign - of the books they've read in class this year were "Number the Stars" and "Hana's Suitcase". Maybe it's an exception, but it's possible the pendulum is swinging to where it should be.


23 posted on 12/07/2006 9:26:33 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada! (Steve's won my vote in the meantime))
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To: sageb1; zgirl

When I was in high school choir, one of our favorite warm-up songs was "The Lord Bless You and Keep You". You probably couldn't get away with that today. We also used 1930's era hymnals for sight-reading. Zgirl can attest that on more than one occasion, singing "The Lord Bless You and Keep You" was a religious experience in itself. I remember very specifically feeling the very presence of G-d in the room when we were really tight.


24 posted on 12/07/2006 9:55:45 AM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: goldstategop

considering that 90% of the Jewish vote went to the Democrats in the last election, I don't think that there are very many religious Jews. Moral relativity, not God based morality seems to be the mission of 90% of the Jews in this country.


25 posted on 12/07/2006 11:12:14 AM PST by Eva
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To: zeugma

O Holy Night gives me that same feeling.

We went to a "Holiday Concert" at my grandsons' school last year. There was one Christmas song in the whole concert. Secular, of course.


26 posted on 12/07/2006 11:24:52 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: goldstategop

Agree with your take on this wholeheartedly. I am still waiting for soemone to ask if this PC crap offends me. YES IT DOES. Sorry, I am part of the 95% referred to in the article.


27 posted on 12/07/2006 12:00:10 PM PST by unionblue83 (Duty is ours; consequences are God's. -- Stonewall Jackson.)
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To: goldstategop

Agree with your take on this wholeheartedly. I am still waiting for soemone to ask if this PC crap offends me. YES IT DOES. Sorry, I am part of the 95% referred to in the article.


28 posted on 12/07/2006 12:00:10 PM PST by unionblue83 (Duty is ours; consequences are God's. -- Stonewall Jackson.)
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To: timsbella

That sounds great.


29 posted on 12/07/2006 12:24:56 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: kellynch

Generally, even vaguely religious people of Judeo-Christian denominations have more in common with each other than secular people these days.

I have more in common with faithful Catholics, Protestants and Evangelicals than I do with most JINOs.


30 posted on 12/07/2006 12:26:44 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Hans and Sophie Scholl and Christoph Probst were found guilty of treason and Roland Freisler, head judge of the court, sentenced them to death.

That bastard Freisler was ultimately killed in an air raid.

31 posted on 12/07/2006 12:27:24 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

God Bless Don Feder


32 posted on 12/07/2006 12:28:31 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Mrs. Don-o; lizol

There were some truly great and righteous Bishops in Germany during the Holocaust and leading up to it. Some of the greatest anti-Nazi resistance was led by them.

Also, Father Maximilen Kolbe from Poland who's now a saint, but his name escapes me. A great hero of the Western tradition. He's probably my personal favourite. His story is in the Book of Virtues by William Bennett, which is a great book to read to kids. I read it when it came out.

Also, check out the link. Some heroic Polish heroes and martyrs. And also some who survived.

http://www.holycross.edu/departments/history/vlapomar/hiatt/opponent.htm


33 posted on 12/07/2006 12:40:02 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: goldstategop
So why should a Jew care if a store clerk says “Merry Christmas?”

From my experience they could care less , as long as nobody is trying to kill or convert them.
I grew up going to public school in a Jewish neighborhood and my grade school used to hang up Merry Christmas signs every year.

Yesterday I stopped into a local Shop & Bag store and on the front door there were Happy Hanukkah and Happy Quanza signs and back by the Deli counter there was a sign that read Seasons Greetings but nothing that said  Merry Christmas . Unfortunately I was running short on time and wasn't able to stop and talk to the manager but I plan on making some time latter on this week to ask him why not.
34 posted on 12/07/2006 12:57:15 PM PST by grjr21
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To: timsbella
"My children moved into public school this year in Mississauga ..."

As we be talkin' the Peel Board, you be always keepin' your guard up FRiend.

Dunno if you're aware but, right up until she left for Ottawa in 1993, its Chair was the incredibly vile Carolyn Parrish. To say she left her mark is putting it mildly. If it's not the most communistic school board in all of Canada - which, personally, I'd be willing to argue - it would definitely make the top 10, if not top 2 or 3!, of any conservative who follows education fairly closely.

BTW, not that our local Catholic Board is all that much better:
Back in the 1980's, at a meeting of it's elementary teachers' union executive, a motion failed to carry be a single vote which would have imposed a compulsory additional dues checkoff on all of its members to provide on-going funding to the damned Sandinistas !!!
Straight goods - you can't make stuff like that up.
35 posted on 12/07/2006 1:10:40 PM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: sageb1; zeugma
See your O Holy Night (of which I too am very fond) & raise you adeste fideles at Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve.
Preferably with the initial verse sung acappella by reasonably good tenor and then all souls present kicking in joyfully and enthusiastically accompanied by the biggest honkin' organ possible!
I can smell the incense just thinking about it!
36 posted on 12/07/2006 1:47:33 PM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: goldstategop

You know, the fact that Feder felt the need to write this article, and Horowitz the need to publish it...says a lot. How utterly discouraging.


37 posted on 12/07/2006 3:12:40 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: timsbella

Glad to hear it (I'm just down the road in Hamilton). I have fond memories of Christmas plays and concerts I took part it as a child, with my parents watching, in costumes they helped make. This despite the fact that I was brought up in an essentially secular home with little awareness of things religious. Even my father, who was more or less atheist, as I am now, could see the value in the traditional message of Christianity and Christmas. Certainly wasn't offended by public displays of Christmas at all.


38 posted on 12/07/2006 3:51:29 PM PST by -YYZ-
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To: zeugma

"singing "The Lord Bless You and Keep You" was a religious experience in itself."

Among the most beautiful pieces ever composed. Many choirs and chorales sing it after every rehearsal and after concerts.

One those pieces that if sung badly is good, if sung well will make good men cry and bad men sweat.


39 posted on 12/07/2006 4:21:23 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (DE)
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To: GMMAC

GMMAC, I need to tell you the Catholics have been especially kind to the Jews in Peel district. Our Hebrew school is run under the International Languages program within the Separate School system - the public schools wouldn't have us, even though are tax dollars are required to support them. My kids use your schools to have Hebrew learning (language and religious) twice a week - from preschool to grade ten. You are incredibly gracious and we are grateful. There may be crucifixes in the classrooms, but there are also mezzuzim on the doors.


40 posted on 12/07/2006 5:15:45 PM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada! (Steve's won my vote in the meantime))
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To: timsbella
That's good to hear!
While the Dufferin-Peel Separate Board isn't nearly as bad as the pigscum Peel Public Board, I more threw the (true!) story about the Catholic teachers union wanting to send cash to the Sandinistas to illustrate how these days virtually anything to do with education anywhere in North America should rightly be under full public scrutiny at all times.

Dunno if you've read Ann Coulter's "Godless" yet but, the chapter on teachers - "The High Priests of the Liberal Religion" - is uncanny because, no matter where you live pretty much anywhere north of the Mexican border, you'll swear she's writing about the jurisdiction in which you reside!

Another good thing about the Catholic vs. Public Board in our area: it trusts its principals & gives them a fair bit of leeway in dealing with both parents & the local community around their schools.
Go into a Public School & ask the time of day & they'll check with 'head office' before deciding whether or not Board policy permits you to know.
41 posted on 12/07/2006 5:55:00 PM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: TexanToTheCore
Among the most beautiful pieces ever composed. Many choirs and chorales sing it after every rehearsal and after concerts.

We used it as a warm-up piece a lot of times. Sometimes, when things just weren't working, the director would call a time out, and we'd sing it, to get back together. When we went to contest my senior year, we got to warm up on stage because we performed right after lunch. After we sang it, there was nary a dry eye there. I was profoundly moved. We proceded to sing Charles Ives' "67th Psalm", (eight part "harmony" in 2 simultaneous keys a-capella) and that was one of three times we sang it that we began and ended on pitch. The Lord was watching over us at contest that year.

42 posted on 12/07/2006 6:55:10 PM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: zeugma

We just did Ives' piece Psalm 90 in concert (Houston Chorale Society). Extremely difficult. One of the attendees came up to me afterword and asked me how we were able to sing the dissonances. I replied "I am not entirely sure, we just sing it."

Lovely music, unforgettable.....


43 posted on 12/07/2006 7:11:54 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (DE)
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To: goldstategop

Personally, coming from a Jew

"Merry Christmas to all and may you all have a Happy New Year"

America was founded on Judeo-Christian values and Merry Christmas is part of America.


44 posted on 12/07/2006 7:18:33 PM PST by Dov in Houston (Hmmmm....)
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To: grjr21

Again this comes from a Jew. Please do stop and talk with him and discuss this. As Jews we believe we are to honor the traditions of the nation which host's us. The nation which has become our home.

I believe if you will point out your thoughts the shop keeper would appreciate it and wish you a Merry Christmas


45 posted on 12/07/2006 7:26:40 PM PST by Dov in Houston (Hmmmm....)
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To: TexanToTheCore
Lovely music, unforgettable.....

Absolutely unforgettable.

The first day we saw the 67th Psalm was the day before Christmas break. Our director gave us the music, and we built each note, one at a time. It was really weird to hear, and extraordinarily hard to hold a note when someone else is singing just a half a step above yours. The sweat we put into the song was worth it though. 

46 posted on 12/07/2006 8:31:05 PM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: goldstategop

As far as these retailers go, why not add some Hanukkah rather than subtracting the Christmas? If the PC types were truly interested in diversity and avoiding excludedness, that would seem like the better route. It wouldn't bother me a bit to hear the occasional Hanukkah song and see a menorah in a shop window. In fact, that seems kind of nice. As for the atheists, their religion would be represented by the empty spaces between the Christmas trees and the Stars of David. So everyone's happy.


47 posted on 12/07/2006 9:01:20 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Alouette
The Guillotine in Germany
48 posted on 12/07/2006 9:18:40 PM PST by TheMole
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To: zeugma

"sweat we put into the song was worth it though."


Seems to be true for all of Ives' music. Do you sing in a choir now?

I sing for Second Baptist of Houston and Houston Choral Society (a top notch chorale of mostly professional singers and musicians).


49 posted on 12/08/2006 8:41:12 AM PST by TexanToTheCore (DE)
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To: TexanToTheCore; zgirl
Seems to be true for all of Ives' music. Do you sing in a choir now?

No, but we've seriously considered taking it up again. It's something my wife and I could work on together that would be fun.

I never was as good at reading music as I'd like to have been though.

I sing for Second Baptist of Houston and Houston Choral Society (a top notch chorale of mostly professional singers and musicians).

That rocks. Zgirl and I both were raised in the Clear Lake area. Wonder if we know anyone in your group?

50 posted on 12/08/2006 9:59:40 AM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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